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12-19-2010, 10:23 AM | #1 |
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| Health question: What's with all the shaking lately? I've asked about this before and never got much response so I'll try again. Has anyone else noticed all the threads about dogs shaking or having seizures lately? There seems to be a large number of threads and messages about dogs with shaking or seizure type symptoms anymore. Could this be related to all the new food brands, high proteins, no grains, low fat etc...? Could it be related to vaccines? Could it be related to bad breeding or over breeding? Has anyone who home cooks ever reduced or eliminated the number of these episodes in your dog? Has anyone ever just given up on the premium food brands and started feeding a not-so-premium brand and seen results? I am just amazed at the number of dogs anymore that have seizures and hypoglicemia symptoms. I don't feel every one of them have epilepsy so there has to be another cause. I've seen people post about these things even in dogs with normal bloodwork and normal bile acid results and it's all a bit scarey to me. |
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12-19-2010, 10:49 AM | #2 |
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| I think it because of too many unnecessary vaccines. I think it does something to the dogs' immune and neurological systems. |
12-19-2010, 10:50 AM | #3 |
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| I agree also the pesticides we put on them
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12-19-2010, 11:13 AM | #4 |
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| It's scarey, isn't it? I have been a dog nut all of my life, I would 'talk dog' with anyone who would listen and I don't ever remember anyone talking about seizures and hypoglicemia until the last few years. I just have to wonder what has changed so much to cause so many dogs to have issues. |
12-19-2010, 12:13 PM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Yes I've noticed a few threads with this in them. Causation is going to be quite difficult to pinpoint though. If there ever is a need for an automated "e" health record it is for dogs and cats. I fed raw and have done so, for about 6 years. My reason for changing, was that even on premium dog food two of my dogs kept getting diarrhea.
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12-19-2010, 12:22 PM | #6 |
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| I do think we're simply more aware nowadays too. Back when I was growing up... nobody was on dog forums and communicating about their dogs as much as alot of people do today, so we know alot more. I mean... when our childhood Golden Retriever would start puking, we wouldn't really worry about it and go searching online looking for reasons why. She just did it, and would get better. She got sickly by the age of 7 or 8 and began getting bumps and tumors all over her, so we just took her to the vet, and they did what they did and fixed her up until she got sick again, and eventually died at age 10. She was fed crappy food all her life and I can't help but wonder if had she been on a better diet w/ more exercise, would she have been healthier, or was it just genetics? Back then, 10yrs old was the normal lifespan for a Golden. We didn't know anything about proper training, dog health, or do any of our own research. We just took her to the vet when necessary and that was that. When you come to a website such as YT, you get alot of newbies who were googling problems with their Yorkies... so it ends up looking like there is a ton of sick Yorkies, but most people don't just google "my dog is feeling good, yorkie forum" LOL... if you get what I'm saying.
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12-19-2010, 12:53 PM | #7 |
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| Well my Teddy has both. He was diagnosed with Intention Tremors and he also had seizures. Both are genetic issues in his case. I home cook and the symptoms have been present since puppyhood. I home cook for my dogs with professional veterinary guidance Home cooking has not reduced his symptoms, which have been present since we obtained him from our breeder. Nothing reduces the intention tremors, but he is now on medication to reduce or eliminate his seizures. He has a normal liver profile including normal BATs and overall bloodwork He does have some elevated kidney readings and has been prone to bladder issues, also thought to be genetic. He does not have hypoglycemia. We do not over vaccinate You are right, it is scary, and it is not fun to have your young dog fall to the floor in a severe generalized seizure while he is wagging his tail at you. I wont even get into the emotional drain and high costs of vet care.
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12-19-2010, 02:04 PM | #8 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | JMO- but I think the reason for more of these threads (especially by new posters) is due to the fact that there are quite a few threads here about seizures/shaking. So when an owner searches "Yorkie seizures" YT pops up as the #1 link on google.
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12-19-2010, 09:06 PM | #9 | |
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So true!! Very good post! Come to think of it, I remember doing reports in junior high with Encylopedia's because there was no such thing as the internet. | |
12-19-2010, 09:26 PM | #10 | |
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Since I have only read a few about shaking, i think it is also a bit of a coincidence that they might have happened close to each other. As far as hypoglycemia -- I think that is an ongoing problem that happens quite often with toy breeds. I doubt it happens more now than in years past EXCEPT for the fact there are a lot more yorkies being sold these days than say a decade ago. So, that does put a lot more inexperienced yorkie owners online.
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12-20-2010, 05:42 AM | #11 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | The only thing I would disagree with in your post is that I do believe there are more incidences of hypoglycemia per capita now, mainly due to the "teacup" phenomena.
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12-20-2010, 06:07 AM | #12 | |
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I am seeing a specialist with my Teddy and it is my understanding that it is more prevalent in our breed and in related breeds than we see here on YT.... the cause of shaking in most dogs is cerebellar hypoplasia which is an malformation of a part of the brain that has resulted from breed history as the yorkie and related breeds became smaller. So it is in some cases, and in Teddy's case likely to be a genetic/inherited condition. I think we don't see it here on YT because most of the time, shaking does not affect the dog's quality of life and few seek out medical care beyond their normal vet (if they even go to their regular vet) for this reason or for other reasons . The head shake/bobble is very subtle and if I did not have two other yorkies, I might have thought it was just normal. It definitely becomes more pronounced when the dog is concentrating, like when playing or hunting for his food. It is when the shaking/tremors are accompanied by other things - hypoglycemia, digestive issues, seizures, and such that people will seek out more involved medical treatment.
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12-20-2010, 06:40 AM | #13 |
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| I believe that the high incidences of hypoglycemia results directly from puppies that are sold and taken home between 8-11 weeks old. As more breeders get on board with 12 weeks to go to a new home, I think we'll see less of it, bc it doesn't happen as frequently in the slightly older pups. And in general, we all overvaccinate, and will continue to do so, until the amount of vaccine in the little vials is adjusted and dosed according to size of the animal.
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12-20-2010, 06:53 AM | #14 | |
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I think a number of the factors you listed play a part in many of the illnesses we see. The average joe who picks their dog up at the puppy store, takes them to Banfield for every single vaccine imaginable in one day, feeds them Beneful, and doses them with preventative meds 12 months a year is going to see an increase in illnesses in my opinion. Personally- my dogs are not from a top quality breeder (wish I could change that now, but it is what it is), they eat a moderate protein high quality kibble (I dont personally like the super high protein foods), they only get flea medicine in the really bad months (probably about half the year), and beyond puppy shots they only get rabies every three years. I have never had any issues with shaking or hypoglycemia- I had the karo syrup and nutrical on hand when they were puppies and never needed to use it. | |
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