I really need opinions,BIG, HUGE TIME..PLEASE

[bertiepup]

Thank you all so so much for your replies, comments and possible suggestions. In answer to some of your questions, YES he did get his passport before we left the UK. We left just under a month ago and he has had his passport since the blood test came back in the middle of July. And yes UK is the only country in the whole world that still requires the 6 month rabbies injection to pass its course even though the blood test passed as well. He is microchipped and is completely up to date with everything. I am still waiting on my Drs decision. BTW my operation is not life threatening at all but does need to be done fullstop! Quarrantine is out of the ? I think. Truly he will hate it; I beleive they crate them up literally 23 hours a day. It just food potty and crate and very very little, if any, playtime. I found a hotel (dog hotel) a beautiful one near to me. First major problem is that they charge $55 a night. But they get their own little room, it is big new and clean there are three indoor play areas, staff, other dogs etc. I am thinking to approach them and tell them my situation. Maybe for a lnogterm stay of 2-3 months there would be a fair discount in the rate. I haven't passed by yet to see the place in the reality but it looks clean safe and just what the doctor ordered (as the saying goes) but if it remains at $55 per night it is a no no. I am still working on all options and keeping my fingers crossed that my Dr will allow me to stay on. I would have had the operation here and be done with all this mental chaos...but the cost of this operation in the States is astronomical; even as a 'cash patient' it is way over the top...we don't need to go there. One thing I know for sure is that there is NO WAY I am giving up Bertie, absolutely NO WAY in a million years. I have to be repsonsible as a 'parent' to him and not abandon him just because. There is a solution I know, just I have to keep on searching to find a reasonably priced solution that's all. I will also post up a notice in my local grocry store here and see the response...you never know. Thank you all so so much for your kind support. It was and is worth so much to me. Kind of gives you strength and motivation knowing that others are on your side and know and feel what it is like. Thank you once again!

[Rachael x]

Im sorry for your situation
Have you looked into local rescues? I know the rescue near me does boarding for dogs and cats when their owners go on holiday... maybe they have something similar?

[Reinell]

My question is, do you know anyone in Europe that would be willing to care for your pet while you are in the UK (that is, if you can't find someone in the US to care for him)? What about France? It is quite close.

I am going through a similar situation myself and really feel for you. I am planning on taking both of my dogs to Sweden with my DH and I when we move. Sweden has a 120 day waiting period after the rabies injection (and after the special microchip) and then you can only send the blood sample to be tested for FAVN to Kansas State University. We have done that, but there is a five week waiting period and we still don't know the results but have to book our tickets soon! Very stressful and sad.

Good news - in January 2012 there will be no more requirement for FAVN testing at least so that will be a huge relief for many travellers. Too bad it isn't for January 2011 as it would help us all out on here!

My back-up plan if the dogs don't pass their tests: move to Denmark. No rabies antibodies testing there. Leaving them in Canada is a no-go as all my family live in "pet free" condos/apartments. Plus, they love them lots but nobody could love my doggies like I do!

Good luck, let me know if I can help in any way, shape or form. I really feel for you - the rules are confusing and excessive.

[boopster]

Silly question because I don't know how your health system works -- but are you eligible for medical care in Canada?

[Reinell]

Not sure if you meant this for me or the OP but I will try to answer.

If you are not a permanent resident of Canada you have to pay for healthcare here too. Unless you are visiting and have health insurance, but surgery sounds like it should be scheduled and they may deny that being covered by traveller's insurance.

Good point though - the surgery may be less expensive here in Canada than in the US however, and the dog could travel here with just a valid Rabies certificate from the US and no fuss!

[concretegurl]

I really don't want to be rude but this seems so not right...as long as your animal has the required shots there is no quarantine regulations anymore (only if you don't have adequate shot records or your animal appears visibly ill)...anyone else know people who jet set with their animals to multiple countries at a time...also the United States and Japan are the only countries who impose quarantine regulations anymore...something is just not right here...Seriously how else do ppl like Paris Hilton take their dog to France to go sopping one day, decide in France to jump over to Italy and perhaps pit stop in Spain before flying back to New York...their dogs have their shots and clearance and thus aren't stopped...so I don't see why you wouldn't be going home for your surgery where you have family/friends to aid in your recovery and doggy sit..National Health Care of England has contracting Dr.s in America...my husband is from Hallsowen and when he moved here to California he needed some work done...its a task to find a Dr here and get the approval so he just decided to fly back to England for his work...

[Anna Banana]

If you do look into finding someone to take care of your baby until he can be sent to you, or you return to the US, I am not too far from you and I would love to help you two out in any way I can. I would be willing to babysit, foster, or help you arrange shipping him. You can PM me if you want to get my number or meet up with the babies. I just feel the panic and worry in your post, and I hope I can help somehow. It would break my heart to be in your position.

[myteddybear]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I really don't want to be rude but this seems so not right...as long as your animal has the required shots there is no quarantine regulations anymore (only if you don't have adequate shot records or your animal appears visibly ill)...anyone else know people who jet set with their animals to multiple countries at a time...also the United States and Japan are the only countries who impose quarantine regulations anymore...something is just not right here...Seriously how else do ppl like Paris Hilton take their dog to France to go sopping one day, decide in France to jump over to Italy and perhaps pit stop in Spain before flying back to New York...their dogs have their shots and clearance and thus aren't stopped...so I don't see why you wouldn't be going home for your surgery where you have family/friends to aid in your recovery and doggy sit..National Health Care of England has contracting Dr.s in America...my husband is from Hallsowen and when he moved here to California he needed some work done...its a task to find a Dr here and get the approval so he just decided to fly back to England for his work...

If I am reading this right you are saying that there is NO quarantine in England as long as your dog has the shots? I'm not sure what you are referring to BUT I know that if you don't have the required 6 months to get what they want done before you travel then there is NO way around that quarantine. She doesn't have that 6 months due to having to go back unexpectedly. I am in the same situation since being given only 3 months notice before a move. With only the 3 months, it doesn't matter what shots your dog already has or how up t date they are. Everything has to be given AFTER the micro chip (specific one that most US vets do not use) is placed whether they have up to date shots or not and then a 6 month wait after that is done.

If you have information different than this I wonder if you could point me in the direction of where to find it.

[evab]

Originally Posted by Anna Banana

If you do look into finding someone to take care of your baby until he can be sent to you, or you return to the US, I am not too far from you and I would love to help you two out in any way I can. I would be willing to babysit, foster, or help you arrange shipping him. You can PM me if you want to get my number or meet up with the babies. I just feel the panic and worry in your post, and I hope I can help somehow. It would break my heart to be in your position.

Anna you are an angel

if anyone wants more info (fact sheets on the exact requirements of bringing pets into the UK) here are the direct links, hope this helps.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet...et4-100915.pdf

Defra, UK - Animal health & welfare - Bringing pets to Britain - Quarantine - Restrictions

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/travel/quarantine/procedures/support-info/england.htm (This is a list of Premises/Quarantine agents and contact details) give them a call and ask their advice, they really will be the people who can truly give you the correct advice.

These are the authorised agents in the London area:
Mr A Goddard MRCVS
Chingford Quarantine Kennels Ltd*
160 Chingford Mount Road
Chingford
London
E4 9BS
Tel: +44 (0)208 529 0979
Fax: +44 (0)208 529 2563
Website: www.chingfordkennels.co.uk
Email: info@chingfordkennels.co.uk

Mr J H Woodward
Airpets
Willowslea Kennels Heathrow*
Spout Lane North
Staines
Middlesex
TW19 6BW
Tel: +44 (0)1753 681655
Fax: +44 (0)1753 685571
Email: quarantine@airpets.co.uk
Website: www.airpets.com
Postal Address Veterinary Superintendent Animals accepted Carrying
Agents Dogs Cats Mr A Goddard MRCVS
Chingford Quarantine Kennels Ltd*
160 Chingford Mount Road
Chingford
London
E4 9BS Tel: +44 (0)208 529 0979
Fax: +44 (0)208 529 2563
Website: www.chingfordkennels.co.uk
Email: info@chingfordkennels.co.uk
Mr P Goddard
MRCVS Tel: +44 (0) 208 5290111

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http://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifhttp://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifNote: also accept rabbitsMr J H Woodward
Airpets
Willowslea Kennels Heathrow*
Spout Lane North
Staines
Middlesex
TW19 6BW Tel: +44 (0)1753 681655
Fax: +44 (0)1753 685571
Email: quarantine@airpets.co.uk
Website: www.airpets.com
Mr A G Wyles
MRCVS Tel: +44 (0) 1784 436367

http://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gif

http://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifhttp://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifNote: also accept small pet mammals up to the size of lagomorphs
Postal Address Veterinary Superintendent Animals accepted Carrying
Agents Dogs Cats Mr A Goddard MRCVS
Chingford Quarantine Kennels Ltd*
160 Chingford Mount Road
Chingford
London
E4 9BS Tel: +44 (0)208 529 0979
Fax: +44 (0)208 529 2563
Website: www.chingfordkennels.co.uk
Email: info@chingfordkennels.co.uk
Mr P Goddard
MRCVS Tel: +44 (0) 208 5290111

http://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gif

http://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifhttp://www.yorkietalk.com/images/tick.gifNote: also accept rabbitsMr J H Woodward
Airpets
Willowslea Kennels Heathrow*
Spout Lane North
Staines
Middlesex
TW19 6BW Tel: +44 (0)1753 681655
Fax: +44 (0)1753 685571

Mr A G Wyles
MRCVS Tel: +44 (0) 1784 436367

[evab]

sorry I seem to have put the same info on twice? I'm blonde....what can i say....but if I can help here in the UK end, pm me please also

[evab]

Originally Posted by bertiepup

Thank you all so so much for your replies, comments and possible suggestions. In answer to some of your questions, YES he did get his passport before we left the UK. We left just under a month ago and he has had his passport since the blood test came back in the middle of July. And yes UK is the only country in the whole world that still requires the 6 month rabbies injection to pass its course even though the blood test passed as well. He is microchipped and is completely up to date with everything. I am still waiting on my Drs decision. BTW my operation is not life threatening at all but does need to be done fullstop! Quarrantine is out of the ? I think. Truly he will hate it; I beleive they crate them up literally 23 hours a day. It just food potty and crate and very very little, if any, playtime. I found a hotel (dog hotel) a beautiful one near to me. First major problem is that they charge $55 a night. But they get their own little room, it is big new and clean there are three indoor play areas, staff, other dogs etc. I am thinking to approach them and tell them my situation. Maybe for a lnogterm stay of 2-3 months there would be a fair discount in the rate. I haven't passed by yet to see the place in the reality but it looks clean safe and just what the doctor ordered (as the saying goes) but if it remains at $55 per night it is a no no. I am still working on all options and keeping my fingers crossed that my Dr will allow me to stay on. I would have had the operation here and be done with all this mental chaos...but the cost of this operation in the States is astronomical; even as a 'cash patient' it is way over the top...we don't need to go there. One thing I know for sure is that there is NO WAY I am giving up Bertie, absolutely NO WAY in a million years. I have to be repsonsible as a 'parent' to him and not abandon him just because. There is a solution I know, just I have to keep on searching to find a reasonably priced solution that's all. I will also post up a notice in my local grocry store here and see the response...you never know. Thank you all so so much for your kind support. It was and is worth so much to me. Kind of gives you strength and motivation knowing that others are on your side and know and feel what it is like. Thank you once again!

Please contact Anna Banana, she is offering you help......and this could be the solution to your problem....keep us updated on how it goes, please x

[evab]

Originally Posted by myteddybear

If I am reading this right you are saying that there is NO quarantine in England as long as your dog has the shots? I'm not sure what you are referring to BUT I know that if you don't have the required 6 months to get what they want done before you travel then there is NO way around that quarantine. She doesn't have that 6 months due to having to go back unexpectedly. I am in the same situation since being given only 3 months notice before a move. With only the 3 months, it doesn't matter what shots your dog already has or how up t date they are. Everything has to be given AFTER the micro chip (specific one that most US vets do not use) is placed whether they have up to date shots or not and then a 6 month wait after that is done.

If you have information different than this I wonder if you could point me in the direction of where to find it.

Hi, yes your dog will have to have been microchipped before he/she has their rabbies innoc and blood test, yes they have to wait 6 months before entering the UK, but they also need to have all their other innoc's up to date, and have been wormed and flea/tick treated no more then 48 hours prior to arrival in the UK also, this all has to be recorded by an authorised American vet on their passport or official paperwork. It can be another chip type, other then the ISO, but you will need to bring your own reader with you, when you pick your dog up, so the officials can use it to identify your dog.

Once a dog has had their rabbies and they have passed the six months, it's plain sailing really, as long as the rabbies innocs are kept up, some innocs last two years, some only 12 months depends on the type the vet gives.

Basically the UK authorities have to be able to recognise the innocs given are officially recognised from Country to Country, and they are strict on the correct paperwork also. It may be best to find a vet who has done this before for the UK, or a carrier agent. There are only two or three airports in the UK who allow in-flights from America. I believe the airlines are: British airways/Delta: here the link for outgoing airports and incoming into UK: Manchester/Heathrow/Gatwick: http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet.../noneu-air.pdf
(This link below is for the vet)
Defra, UK - Animal health and welfare - Pet Travel Scheme - Procedures for Vets

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet...factsheet2.pdf
(The link above, explains the make/types of innocs that can be used)