Are these purebred ? Need opinions.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by anniez69

I was by no means ill prepared. I just did not want this particular dog. It would be irresponsible on my part to get a dog I do not want simply because I feel sorry for it or someone tries to guilt me into taking it.


As far as "saving a life" goes. If it is somehow your business, my little guy I have now is from a rescue and my cat was adopted from this very shelter. I do not have to justify where I will get my next pooch from.

When you come on a public forum and post a question, you are going to get a wide variety of answers. Some you will like, some you won't. No one is trying to "guilt" you in to anything. But since you aren't the only one reading the replies, hopefully the experience of others will help educate the next person who comes along. It's a simple fact that the dog you see in the shelter isn't necessarily the dog you will have once you've gotten him home. If you are aware of that, great, but not everyone is. When my parents were looking at rescues, they almost passed up on Oliver because he seemed too timid. I convinced them to give it a try and he is now the biggest cuddle bug and kiss giver they've ever had.

You made up your mind, fine. Hopefully both of those pups will find good homes quickly with people who are aware of the challenges they might face. They are too cute to left there for long.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

When you come on a public forum and post a question, you are going to get a wide variety of answers. Some you will like, some you won't. No one is trying to "guilt" you in to anything. But since you aren't the only one reading the replies, hopefully the experience of others will help educate the next person who comes along. It's a simple fact that the dog you see in the shelter isn't necessarily the dog you will have once you've gotten him home. If you are aware of that, great, but not everyone is. When my parents were looking at rescues, they almost passed up on Oliver because he seemed too timid. I convinced them to give it a try and he is now the biggest cuddle bug and kiss giver they've ever had.

You made up your mind, fine. Hopefully both of those pups will find good homes quickly with people who are aware of the challenges they might face. They are too cute to left there for long.

Personally, I too thought the post from megansmamawas a bit snotty, and would have been defensive also. It's in the wording.

I'm not even sure how to address your comment about pet shop/breeder comment. IMO anyone who allows 2 dogs to have puppies is a breeder but that does not make them a good breeder. Purchasing from someone who calls themselves a breeder does not mean much in my book.

Why was the OP being questioned about the breedeer/pet shop commment. There is a huge difference between buying from a breeder and buying from a pet shop. And if the shelter volunteer thinks they are the same thing, that person needs to be educated.

If she felt the dog was a poor fit, that does not mean she was not prepared. She did not just buy on impulse, she put some thought into it. How does that trasnslate to ill prepared?

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

When you walk into a shelter looking for a new pet, you cannot expect their behavior to be anything like it would be in your home. Shelters are very stressful to animals and they will begin to take on and show signs of xenophobic behavior from the others animals around them.

You also cannot expect a shelter worker to know the true personality of a puppy that is in a shelter. It takes about 2 weeks for the true personality of a shelter pup to come out. Shelter works can be very stress by the daily neglect and suffering they are witness to so please try to cut them a break. They are underpaid or volunteers and not treated with much respect for what they do.

My Bogey is a shelter pup and if I would have assessed him by his behavior at the shelter I would not have a wonderful, calm, sweet, cuddly, beautiful little guy. His coat was a mess (dull, brittle, matted), he was so hyper that I was barely able to pick him up, did not walk on a leash, he didn't know grass, stairs, toys, treats, tricks, treats, or proper social behavior. Right now he is curled on my lap sleeping and is the biggest love bug that I could possibly want. He loves the car and it always the first at the door to go bye-bye.

I'm not even sure how to address your comment about pet shop/breeder comment. IMO anyone who allows 2 dogs to have puppies is a breeder but that does not make them a good breeder. Purchasing from someone who calls themselves a breeder does not mean much in my book.

It unfortunate that you were ill-prepared for your experience in looking for a new addition to your family when you went to the shelter to look at the 2 little puppies. You might have just passed up the very best addition to your family and helped to save a live.

Good luck in your continued search for a new puppy.

Totally agree with what I bolded.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Totally agree with what I bolded.

And you are correct, but what did that have to do with anything? Why was the poster even questioned about that.

Any breeder that would allow their dogs to end up in a petstore or a shelter is not much of a breeder. But the volunteer or whoever said "petstore/breeder, same thing" should be educated.

The OP had every right to question the discrepancy.

[Ladymom]

If you want to adopt a rescue, I'd suggest you contact a rescue group rather than adopting one directly from the shelter. As megansmomma said, the way they act at the shelter is probably nothing like their real personality. They are traumatized by being taken from their homes, then put into the very stressful shelter situation.

When private rescues pull dogs from shelters they go into foster homes. Then their personalities can be evaluated so they can be matched with the best possible adopter. The foster moms work on potty training and other behaviors.

Not sure why you are concerned whether the puppies came from a pet store or breeders. Breeders produce the puppies to supply the pet store. Whether they came from a backyard breeder or USDA kennel, it really doesn't make much difference. Some backyard breeders are worse than the commercial kennels that are regulated by the USDA.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And you are correct, but what did that have to do with anything? Why was the poster even questioned about that.

Any breeder that would allow their dogs to end up in a petstore or a shelter is not much of a breeder. But the volunteer or whoever said "petstore/breeder, same thing" should be educated.

The OP had every right to question the discrepancy.

Jeanie, thank you for reaffirming my original statement. Welcome back from you hiatus.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And you are correct, but what did that have to do with anything? Why was the poster even questioned about that.

Any breeder that would allow their dogs to end up in a petstore or a shelter is not much of a breeder. But the volunteer or whoever said "petstore/breeder, same thing" should be educated.

The OP had every right to question the discrepancy.

Why does it matter what it has to do with anything? You make it seem like no thread on YT has ever gone off topic. I was simply agreeing with what she posted. Many people let their dogs have puppies but don't call themselves breeders bc they only want to do it once. In my book, that makes them a breeder. They may not think so, but I'm sure my opinion of them is not the same as their own opinion of themselves in other ways as well.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And you are correct, but what did that have to do with anything? Why was the poster even questioned about that.

Any breeder that would allow their dogs to end up in a petstore or a shelter is not much of a breeder. But the volunteer or whoever said "petstore/breeder, same thing" should be educated.

The OP had every right to question the discrepancy.

It was brought up because the OP brought it up in her post. As if it makes a difference WHERE the pup originated from. I think it's a little much to assume that every shelter worker is going to know where every dog was originally purchased from off the top of their heads. And in a sense, the worker was right when she said "what's the difference?" It's origins sure didn't prevent it from ending up at the shelter. I whole heartedly agree that if it was a breeder, it sure wasn't a good one.

[JeanieK]

I have written in my contracts, that under no circumstance is the puppy to be taken to a shelter, or even given or sold to someone else. If the party can no longer keep the dog, for whatever reason, the dog is to come back to me.

However if the people were to move away and decide it would be easier to take the dog to a shelter, than to ship it back to me, it could happen that one of my dogs would end up in a shelter.

Does that make me a bad breeder?

The flippant answer from the worker was uncalled for, the fact that they did not read the report before giving answers shows negligence on their part.

Maybe it was poor training, maybe it was poor attitude. Either way it does not appear that they were trying to make a good fit, they were just trying to get rid of a dog.

The OP had every right to question it and to expect a legitimate answer. And I don't see why she is being chided for it.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I have written in my contracts, that under no circumstance is the puppy to be taken to a shelter, or even given or sold to someone else. If the party can no longer keep the dog, for whatever reason, the dog is to come back to me.

However if the people were to move away and decide it would be easier to take the dog to a shelter, than to ship it back to me, it could happen that one of my dogs would end up in a shelter.

Does that make me a bad breeder?

The flippant answer from the worker was uncalled for, the fact that they did not read the report before giving answers shows negligence on their part.

Maybe it was poor training, maybe it was poor attitude. Either way it does not appear that they were trying to make a good fit, they were just trying to get rid of a dog.

The OP had every right to question it and to expect a legitimate answer. And I don't see why she is being chided for it.

What does any of this have to do with you and your breeding practices? There were 2 puppies in a shelter so unless they were from your breeding program there is no reason to bring your contract into the conversation. I think that all breeders should be required to microchip their puppies. Breeding should not be taken lightly. If I were breeding I would want to make sure that any of my puppies did not end up in a shelter w/o my knowledge. Contracts are broken all the time. Microchips are forever.

Yes, the OPer asked a legitimate question but the answer should have been more along the lines of this:

"Unfortunately, there is no way that I can give you an answer to your question. They will be UTD on their vaccines and spayed/neutered prior to leaving. The former owner most likely lied to us about the health, vetting, temperament, and overall care of these puppies. As a matter of fact, all of the animals here we really don't have any idea what they are really like. They are scared, overwhelmed and filled with anxiety due to the fact that someone allowed their dogs to breed, didn't take responsibility for their actions."

People that allow their pets to breeders need more training in responsible pet ownership. If it wasn't for irresponsible breeding practices shelters wouldn't be overrun with dogs and cats.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

What does any of this have to do with you and your breeding practices? There were 2 puppies in a shelter so unless they were from your breeding program there is no reason to bring your contract into the conversation. I think that all breeders should be required to microchip their puppies. Breeding should not be taken lightly. If I were breeding I would want to make sure that any of my puppies did not end up in a shelter w/o my knowledge. Contracts are broken all the time. Microchips are forever.

Yes, the OPer asked a legitimate question but the answer should have been more along the lines of this:

"Unfortunately, there is no way that I can give you an answer to your question. They will be UTD on their vaccines and spayed/neutered prior to leaving. The former owner most likely lied to us about the health, vetting, temperament, and overall care of these puppies. As a matter of fact, all of the animals here we really don't have any idea what they are really like. They are scared, overwhelmed and filled with anxiety due to the fact that someone allowed their dogs to breed, didn't take responsibility for their actions."

People that allow their pets to breeders need more training in responsible pet ownership. If it wasn't for irresponsible breeding practices shelters wouldn't be overrun with dogs and cats.

My contract was used as an example to show that just because a dog is taken to a shelter, does not meant that it came from a poor breeder. Anyones puppy could end up in a shelter under the right circumstances.

She asked where the dog came from and the worker told her from a breeder. The paper work, that was filled out by the owner said they came from the pet store. So the Owners did not lie. The worker failed to give the correct answer. Which would lead me to believe they really were not concerned. If they had been, they would have given the correct answer, or at the very least said "I don't know, but I will find out". But they were very flippant and IMO Rude and non-caring.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

My contract was used as an example to show that just because a dog is taken to a shelter, does not meant that it came from a poor breeder. Anyones puppy could end up in a shelter under the right circumstances.

She asked where the dog came from and the worker told her from a breeder. The paper work, that was filled out by the owner said they came from the pet store. So the Owners did not lie. The worker failed to give the correct answer. Which would lead me to believe they really were not concerned. If they had been, they would have given the correct answer, or at the very least said "I don't know, but I will find out". But they were very flippant and IMO Rude and non-caring.

Did I miss where you were present at this exchange/conversation between the OPer and shelter worker? What personal knowledge would enable you to critique the lack of training on the part of a volunteer in a shelter in Minnesota? You have labeled someone that you have no interaction with personally as untrained, very flippant, rude and non-caring. Let's not forget to mention that you called me snotty.

What gives JeanieK? Is there an axe that you have to grind with my name on it? I'm at a total lose here as to where this is going?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There is a huge difference between buying from a breeder and buying from a pet shop. And if the shelter volunteer thinks they are the same thing, that person needs to be educated.

I am quite sure that shelter volunteer has been more than *educated* about breeders and pet shops.
The vast numbers of dogs being dumped in this country is mind boggling and they did not all come from pet shops.

[anniez69]

megansmomma, please stop commenting on my thread.

Thanks

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

When you walk into a shelter looking for a new pet, you cannot expect their behavior to be anything like it would be in your home. Shelters are very stressful to animals and they will begin to take on and show signs of xenophobic behavior from the others animals around them.

You also cannot expect a shelter worker to know the true personality of a puppy that is in a shelter. It takes about 2 weeks for the true personality of a shelter pup to come out. Shelter works can be very stress by the daily neglect and suffering they are witness to so please try to cut them a break. They are underpaid or volunteers and not treated with much respect for what they do.

My Bogey is a shelter pup and if I would have assessed him by his behavior at the shelter I would not have a wonderful, calm, sweet, cuddly, beautiful little guy. His coat was a mess (dull, brittle, matted), he was so hyper that I was barely able to pick him up, did not walk on a leash, he didn't know grass, stairs, toys, treats, tricks, treats, or proper social behavior. Right now he is curled on my lap sleeping and is the biggest love bug that I could possibly want. He loves the car and it always the first at the door to go bye-bye.

I'm not even sure how to address your comment about pet shop/breeder comment. IMO anyone who allows 2 dogs to have puppies is a breeder but that does not make them a good breeder. Purchasing from someone who calls themselves a breeder does not mean much in my book.

It unfortunate that you were ill-prepared for your experience in looking for a new addition to your family when you went to the shelter to look at the 2 little puppies. You might have just passed up the very best addition to your family and helped to save a live.

Good luck in your continued search for a new puppy.

Anyone with ANY familararity about shelter dogs would know that everything stated above is absolutely true!

When I foster a pup, I don't even think about placement for a minimum of 3 weeks after they come to me because I know that they will not be the same pup after that period of time. They ALL change once they settle in.

I don't see anything in the above post as being ANYTHING but educational. It is a shame it was taken personally.

I would encourage the OP to start looking at rescues rather than shelters. Since you feel so strongly about personality being important, I really believe you will do better with a rescue. A really good and reputable rescue should have the pups a minimum of a couple of weeks and be able to tell you all about them. That way you can find a pup that WILL fit with your home and your other pupster! Good luck in your search!