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Cares4Dogs · 10-10-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I am not aware of your situation, the circumstances, or responses you got when you joined. I am sorry for whatever it was and I hope that you and your dog/dogs? are OK now.

(Again, don't know the details.)
However, please do not let anything that happened to YOU cloud your judgment of THIS situation. I am sure the circumstances were not the same and I doubt you were harassing people privately with crude, sexually suggestive comments.

harrassing people privately with crude and sexually suggestive comments???

Yikes!!!!!!!!

bellemarie · 10-10-2010, 12:33 PM

Ron, its all vey well complaining about everyone being hateful, but the fact is you own both the male and female involved and have stated that you knew she was pregnant and that she was due, so your pior research should have told you to be monitoring her Very closely (thats mentioned in most threads in the breeders section which if you were researching on this site i can only assume you read). the best advise that could be given has been given... Spay and Neuter.
there very well may have been genetic factors involved in the death of the 2nd pup and the fact that she willingly left the 1st pup and didnt frantically try to get back out to it suggests to me that she isnt an overly maternal dog (or that there was something wrong with that pup from birth and she knew it) so again, is another litter really in Her best intrests? would a sibling of hers not be a nice addition rather than subjecting her to another pregnancy and possible loss of pups?
if you insist on breeding her again, you must find out the actual reason for the death of both pups and address it accordingly.
remember you will have to wait at least a year before letting her have her next litter, so when shes due in heat again it is vital your male is kept away from her or is neutered. if this is not done and she gets pregnant next cycle then it will have been down to neglegence and not ignorance.

for the record, this is not a hateful reply- it is information, just like you asked for... i do not agree with your plans on future breeding at all and find it pretty rude that you didnt answer the questions asked by megansmomma or accept the advise given by countless other well known breeders who have given their opinions on this situation (and have been very helpful to me personally in past threads!) who are too many to mention)... if your not willing to work with the YTers then i very much see the general reasoning behind Not being helpful to you...
if you are going to leave, then simply YT then simply do so, without insulting the breeders and members here further.

bellemarie · 10-10-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

harrassing people privately with crude and sexually suggestive comments???

Yikes!!!!!!!!

that Is out of line.

Kdgd14 · 10-10-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

that Is out of line.

Ditto. That should have never even crossed his mind.

slimem2003 · 10-10-2010, 12:42 PM

Bamafan121a- This was my original post about my situation-

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Originally Posted by slimem2003 http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
wow! This person asked for advice and help from you guys and all yall did was be hatefull and disrespectful! Alot of what was wrote back to her was disgusting and this isn't a high school chat room. The fact is that the event already occured. ppl putting her down isn't going to change that and just because you tell her to spay her dog doesnt mean that she is so I would think the next best thing to do is hear her out and give the advice that you can so this doesn't happen again. I can understand that if what she wrote made you upset but theres a better way to express that then what yall have shown. she came here for advice not for a tongue lashing and if she didn't care then she wouldn't have bothered to write everyone asking for advice at all!! When I was 17 I was living on my own and saved a pregnent mini rat terrier from a bad situation. I knew around the time she was soppose to be due. I never had a expecting dog before I did all the research I could do, made her a whelping box and had a bed room all to her self. I left to go to the store to get groceries and I had a bad feeling in my gut and turned around to come back home. She had had two puppies one was not breathing and was starting to get cool. I suctioned her mouth and nose and tried to get some breath in her and it didn't work. the other survived and I was so upset and blamed my self for not being there or not knowing enough. I LOVED that dog and I loved her pup and it broke my heart !! now does that make me a bad person!! I makes me inexperienced, but not a bad person to where it would give a right for yall to say the horrible things you have to this person. Mistakes happened, yes I know that. and theres a way to get your point across than being plain out hatefull. I read her messages and a few ppl did give her advice that may help her for next time. the ones that were so upset with her didnt give any helpful advice at all! so what do you think your fussing is going to do? nothing. if this makes you upset then try to help her realize what next time she can watch out for so it wont happen agian. The way she was attacked makes me afraid to ask questions on here for the fear that I may to be in the line of fire. I would think she feels bad enough. I know I sure did. so can we all for the good of yorkies that we love help each other when the ppl need help the most or just tear them down so when they really do need some helpful advice they will be to afraid to ask for it?

This was the first dog that I ever had that was mine. I was inexperinced and in hind site I should have found someone to take her that knew more than I did and maybe the other pup would have survived. at that time I assumed that dogs give birth all the time and it couldnt be that hard. I keep her while she was pregnant knowing that I never have done this before out of selfishness bc I feel in love with her and was really lonely bc at the time my parent lived out of state and wanted a companion. I was young and very wrong about my views of puppy birth. My little girl is doing great as well as the puppy. well hes not a puppy anymore lol .. I gave them to a lady and her sister. they lived next door to each other. I go over often and vist. Giving them away was one of the worst days of my life but agian I was 17 and tring to live on my own and I was working 2 jobs and tring to go to school and I felt like I couldnt give them the life I wanted them to have. they live in bliss now! spoiled rotton!! I have two dogs now and we are doing very well and they play with Baby Wiggles ( the mom, yeah I know baby is in her name lol) and Chomper( the pup, he chewed everything) often.

BamaFan121s · 10-10-2010, 12:49 PM

slimem2003--I will have to go back and read your story. I am glad that everything is better now. I am sorry, I did not mean for you to have to bring all of that up again.l Seems like you went though a rough bought.

I just meant not to use your situation as a basis for how you feel this OP should be treated as I'm sure your situations were not the same.

Beamers Mom · 10-10-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slimem2003

Bamafan121a- This was my original post about my situation- This was the first dog that I ever had that was mine. I was inexperinced and in hind site I should have found someone to take her that knew more than I did and maybe the other pup would have survived. at that time I assumed that dogs give birth all the time and it couldnt be that hard. I keep her while she was pregnant knowing that I never have done this before out of selfishness bc I feel in love with her and was really lonely bc at the time my parent lived out of state and wanted a companion. I was young and very wrong about my views of puppy birth. My little girl is doing great as well as the puppy. well hes not a puppy anymore lol .. I gave them to a lady and her sister. they lived next door to each other. I go over often and vist. Giving them away was one of the worst days of my life but agian I was 17 and tring to live on my own and I was working 2 jobs and tring to go to school and I felt like I couldnt give them the life I wanted them to have. they live in bliss now! spoiled rotton!! I have two dogs now and we are doing very well and they play with Baby Wiggles ( the mom, yeah I know baby is in her name lol) and Chomper( the pup, he chewed everything) often.

if you had come on YT at that time, you would have been given kudos for rescuing that little one and the fact that you exhibited due diligence by getting a whelping box and doing all the necessary research. For a 17 year old you acted responsible, and are to be commended for it.

megansmomma · 10-10-2010, 12:50 PM

I Pmed you links to read hoping to open communication off your vile and upsetting thead about dead puppies. Your response was uncalled for, offensive and a violation of YT rules. Why you continue to post as a member of this Yorkie loving forum is beyond me

I have begun to suspect other motivations .....

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Originally Posted by roncassie

oh yes.....the one who was just as rude and crappy in the forum........then try to be helpful in a PM.

If I read this type of thread before I joined...I would not have because of just how many hateful and rude people there are compared to the ones that want to help.

To those who have been supportive and helpful, I do appreciate it. I am sorry if you are cast in a bad light now for that support.

If I did not truely care about any of this, I would never had asked to begin with.

peanut · 10-10-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

if you had come on YT at that time, you would have been given kudos for rescuing that little one and the fact that you exhibited due diligence by getting a whelping box and doing all the necessary research. For a 17 year old you acted responsible, and are to be commended for it.

I shows you did act responsible and no one would of said anything, but commended you.

roncassie · 10-10-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma

I Pmed you links to read hoping to open communication off your vile and upsetting thead about dead puppies. Your response was uncalled for, offensive and a violation of YT rules. Why you continue to post as a member of this Yorkie loving forum is beyond me

I have begun to suspect other motivations .....

No other motivations. YT would not be my first place to start...get over yourself.

You pm'd me links after spewing your messages that were of no use just like the rest of them and then try to play nice.

10-10-2010, 12:33 PM	#107
bellemarie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland Posts: 520	Ron, its all vey well complaining about everyone being hateful, but the fact is you own both the male and female involved and have stated that you knew she was pregnant and that she was due, so your pior research should have told you to be monitoring her Very closely (thats mentioned in most threads in the breeders section which if you were researching on this site i can only assume you read). the best advise that could be given has been given... Spay and Neuter. there very well may have been genetic factors involved in the death of the 2nd pup and the fact that she willingly left the 1st pup and didnt frantically try to get back out to it suggests to me that she isnt an overly maternal dog (or that there was something wrong with that pup from birth and she knew it) so again, is another litter really in Her best intrests? would a sibling of hers not be a nice addition rather than subjecting her to another pregnancy and possible loss of pups? if you insist on breeding her again, you must find out the actual reason for the death of both pups and address it accordingly. remember you will have to wait at least a year before letting her have her next litter, so when shes due in heat again it is vital your male is kept away from her or is neutered. if this is not done and she gets pregnant next cycle then it will have been down to neglegence and not ignorance. for the record, this is not a hateful reply- it is information, just like you asked for... i do not agree with your plans on future breeding at all and find it pretty rude that you didnt answer the questions asked by megansmomma or accept the advise given by countless other well known breeders who have given their opinions on this situation (and have been very helpful to me personally in past threads!) who are too many to mention)... if your not willing to work with the YTers then i very much see the general reasoning behind Not being helpful to you... if you are going to leave, then simply YT then simply do so, without insulting the breeders and members here further. __________________ "...She will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of her heart; you owe it to her to be worthy of such devotion..."

10-10-2010, 12:49 PM	#111
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	slimem2003--I will have to go back and read your story. I am glad that everything is better now. I am sorry, I did not mean for you to have to bring all of that up again.l Seems like you went though a rough bought. I just meant not to use your situation as a basis for how you feel this OP should be treated as I'm sure your situations were not the same.