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Parti and Beiwer Just out of interest. Can anybody tell me if a Parti and a Biewer is the same thing or is there a difference between the two ? Please excuse my ignorance :) |
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didn't mean to but in on your question with another question. sorry:D |
Biewers originated in Germany. The foundation pair were Fru Fru and Darling Friedheck. All biewers' pedigrees should go back to this original pair. Biewers have a specific standard and are shown confirmation in rare breed show circuits. Biewers are recognized as a breed of it's own. Partis originated in the US and are AKC recognized. As tail docking was banned in Germany, biewers have tails. Parti yorkies tails are docked. |
Basically they are the same thing. They both came from two traditional colored yorkies who both carried the parti gene. bchgirl explained the differences in registration. The parti is considered a yorkie by the AKC and can be bred to other yorkies and the offspring can be registered AKC. The Biewer was allowed to become a breed of it's own so if a Biewer is bred to a yorkie, the offspring are considered to be a mixed breed and cannot be registered AKC. |
Can I ask how long ago was the Foundation pair started for the Biewers, are we talking recent or centuries ago ? Thank you for your answers. :) |
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You can read more about the biewer history here. Breed club for biewer a la pom pon dogs |
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Wow thank you, I knew they were new in this country and very expensive, I wonder if this is the newest breed of dog. They sure are Stunning. :rolleyes: |
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It is true however.. they can not be registered AKC.. no Biewer at this point in time can whether you breed them to an AKC yorkie or not.. that does not matter. Breeding a Biewer to a traditionally colored yorkie does not make it any more of a mixed breed than breeding a Parti to a traditionally colored yorkie makes that a mixed breed... Diana :animal-pa |
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if you mix any dog that is NOT a yorkshire terrier, with a yorkshire terrier it is a mixed breed. it does not matter where they are registered, or if they are not registered at all. I was not mistaken in what I said. There are a lot of registries that allow you to register just about anything you want. That does not change the fact that they are a mixed breed. |
Just because a specific registry allowed the Biewers to be registered as a breed of their own so they could be shown.. does not make them any further away from a Yorkshire Terrier than a Parti is from a Yorkshire terrier.. they are one in the same.. What was the criteria used to "make" the Biewer a seperate breed?? Was it purely and simply "EASIER" to make it it's own breed so it could be shown??? Is that all it takes to make a breed it's own breed??? If so, then the Partis' would also be considered their own breed.. they can not be shown as Yorkies in AKC, so, to be shown, they have to be shown in a their OWN breed "Parti" with NAKC.. they would be shown against Yorkies.. not AS a yorkie.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED with the Biewers.. no different.. that does not make the Parti it's own breed any more than the Biewers.. (unless of course you believe the Parti is not a Yorkie) Toby's mom had it right.. the problem is that the Biewer is not registered with AKC, not the genetics behind them. Diana :animal-pa |
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There is an additional set of criteria to be a Biewer. Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers? |
Talk about confusing people..... |
The biewer is only a separate breed if that is how you believe. Alot a biewer owners consider them Yorkies, Biewer is not really a breed it is a line of yorkshire terriers. It is really confusing when it comes to the Biewer Yorkie. By breeding a parti to a Biewer yorkie is not cross breeding nor does it make them mixed. they are not separate breeds in everyones eyes. It is like breeding a akc registered yorkie to a yorkie that is not AKC registered , you cant register the pups because only one parent was registered but they are still yorkies non the less and not mixed breeds. |
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The OP wanted to know the difference. There is no easy answer. |
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If you were an expert and your saw a mixed color dog would you know it was a Parti or a Biewer or would you have to ask the owner ? |
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The Biewers do not dock the tails, so in many cases that helps.. although many Yorkie people are starting to see this as mutilation also, so they maybe keeping the tails long.. (my AKC Parti has a long tail as do all of my carriers) Diana :animal-pa |
I have a Biewer and alot of these same questions. Where can I send her DNA to get a genetic make up,and her parentage verified?:confused: |
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There is way more to it than whether or not you BELIEVE that the biewers are a separate breed. And it is not the same as breeding a registered to a non registered. An unregistered yorkie, has registered ancestors somewere down the line. The Biewer was developed into a separatre breed and have their own clubs and their own standards. They are not recognized by the AKC as yorkies. Although genetically they are the same. To the OP. As you can see this is a very complicated subject. The Biewer people do not even all agree on what they are so it is difficult to explain. I suggest that you do your own research and draw your own conclusions. |
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Some Biewer owners claim that there is another breed mixed in and claim that MARS testing has shown that to be true, but it seems it is a big secret as to exactly which other breed is supposedly mixed in. So that theory has not been proven. |
Jeannie i do beg your pardon but the Biewer does have Registered yorkies in its ancestors, the first tri color yorkies MR. Biewer had were registered with the VDH which is the German AKC. The biewers came from VDH registered normal colored yorkshire terriers. How much research have you done on the biewers? |
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Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers? The parti have not been able to show as no one would push for them to get shown, for 10 years they have sat on the back burner and just bred and bred. The PYTC has made a difference just in the last year getting them accepted into NAKC to be shown, it is my understanding in iabca the parti can show with the biewer. |
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I've done as much research on them as you have. However, unlike you, I am giving the OP all of the facts and not just ignoring half of them. You said, they are what you believe they are. Well I can believe that my yorkie is a pitt bull but it doesn't mean he is one. You can believe whatever you want, but The fact is they are not seen as the same dog when it comes to registering and showing. They were developed into a separate breed and therefore are not recognized as yorkies by the AKC. |
AKC will not register the Biewer as a separate Breed because they have the history and they believe them to be Yorkshire Terriers so therefore they do not believe them a separate breed |
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