I think the term is don't believe everything you hear.:wink2:

No Biewer or Parti colours in the UKKC Pedigree Dog Registry
 

Hi, having followed this post for a while, I see here we have many different clubs, with many different opinions and that is a good thing I guess, but people wishing to buy either of these dogs should do their homework very carefully before buying one. I would like the original poster to understand to my knowledge we do not have either Biewer or Parti Yorkshire terriers in the UK. The UKKC do not recognise the parti as a colour within their Pure Bred Yorkshire Terrier Pedigree Registry, please go to the UKKC for colours accepted by them. By the way I have also read that Mrs Biewer has stated in a reply to a letter sent to her by M Ostern, kennels in Germany "It is a fraud to put Biewer to Yorkshire", as her husband was the originator of the Biewer I am assuming she would wish all Biewer breeders to respect that request.
But it's like you say you can't believe everything you read.:aimeeyork

Evab, Anita Bridgen, please dont come here and try to start a war. We have all seen what you have posted on the pedigree database. We understand that the UK doesn't have Partis or Biewers. No problem. It doesn't pertain to us or this thread. But dont come here wielding your sword to cut others down . Sorry not going to happen. The Parti Yorkie was recognized by AKC in June of 2000.....http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z.../akcaccept.png
Also Mr Biewer did breed his regular color Yorkshire Terriers to his Tri-colors. He bred Darling to Grand pom pon to get SchneeRose and he bred Darling to Schneeflokchen to get Schneewitten. IF you study the pedigrees there are more.

Furthermore M Ostern doesn't own Germany and he certainly has no say in if the Biewer can or cannot be bred to Yorkshire Terriers which is from which they came . I don't think he would like you putting words in his mouth, dear.

I would also like to add why is it then if the UK has no Biewers then why does evab(Anita) have a Biewer Terrier Club website for the UK.BTCUK where she is the owner of.
And I may add that she is a Member of the BTCA here in the USA (BTCA)
Now one might ask, just what is her agenda here?

My my, where do I start. Firstly I am a member of this Forum and as such I am presuming I am able to add my own replies to threads, the originator of this thread asked the diff between Parti & Biewer, I wished her to know we don't have Parti colour Pure bred Yorkshire terriers recognised in the UK, can't see a prob with that. As the UK is the originating country for the Yorkie, I will have my say, like anyone else here, this is a Yorkshire Terrier Forum and I have Yorkie. Why are you so fixated on my BTCUK club, I don't come on this site toting for business, unlike some. I have my own views on both Biewer & Parti and the creation of both colours thank you Deb Mullins and as far as I am aware have not brought this into this thread, as everyone else seemed to cover that issue, I don't agree with some members thoughts on it, but I have not posted 3 times here in a row to cause a friction either. And I also cannot see why you refer to another forum, when I have not posted on there much either lately. You seem a little vigilante where I am concerned, You are a member of the PYTC and the IBC, I don't ask you why you put Biewer to Parti Yorki do I? Don't make this personal sweetie.:aimeeyork

Furthermore I have not put words into anyone's mouth, the letter is to be found on many websites. I merely quoted from what Frau Biewer said. and that was "It is a fraud to put Biewer to Yorki".

Why do you as the President of the PYTCA? put Biewer to Yorkie, your dogs are reg with the AKC as parti, your Biewer with IBC. IBC is not affiliated with FCI, never will be so your dogs can't be registered with AKC once you have bred IBC Biewer into them? What's the point in that, taking a registered dog and putting an unrecognised registered dog into it's blood lines? I really don't want an answer to that sweetie, as I already know why it's obvious.:aimeeyork

I do not own a Biewer and I am not a member of IBC. You must have me confused with someone else.

Evab, Anita Bridgen you may not have Parti colour Yorkshire terriers recognised in the UK, at this time but it doesn't mean they won't be in the future.
It also doesn't mean that they are not being produced in the UK as we speak.
When enough breeders start breeding them they will need to push the UK kennel club for correct color classification for the dogs.
It wasn't until 2006 here in America that AKC started registering the
PURE BRED PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIERS with a correct color code.

Just because you don't know of any, does not mean there aren't any. I doubt that you know of every yorkie in the UK.

Also when you brought this up on another thread, there were pictures posted proving you wrong.

And what does the claim that "to your knowledge there are NO tri colored yorkies in the UK" have to do with the original question.

She asked what the difference is between the parti and the biewer. She did not ask what countries do not have them.

BTW there will soon be some over there because my son plans to take a pair back with him on his next visit home. And they are AKC registered and we don't care whether or not the UK recognizes them

Hi, I cannot see what relevance this has to my original reply. I said to my knowledge we don't have them. I said the UK kennel club don't recognise the colour and again as a member of this site I am able to take part in a thread and add my thoughts. Pictures of tri coloured dogs in the UK do not exactly prove anything. I am so pleased your son is bringing some over to the UK, how nice.

Oh did I say that you couldn't post? I don't recall saying that. I just said your comment was irrevelent to the OP's question. You seem really defensive.

And pictures of tri colored dogs in the UK would indicate to me that there are some in the UK. A picture is worth 1000 words. Perhaps when mine get over there they can stand in front of a sign and take a picture. Or maybe in front of Big Ben.

But that really has nothing to do with this thread either.

Jeanie you may be aware there are very strict rules in place for transporting dogs to the UK. One in particular requires a six month waiting period after the dog has been given a rabies vaccination and then given a blood test to insure it's effectiveness. Another is the requirement of an international microchip. If the dog is chipped with one that their scanners can not read, you must either supply a scanner...or the animal goes in quarantine.
Here's a link if you haven't already researched it.

Defra, UK - Animal health and welfare - Pet Travel Scheme - What you need to do to bring your pet into or back into the UK under the Pet Travel Scheme

hth.

I believe that's your opinion Jeaniek? Non of this is relevant to my first post here is it? Yes there are many tri coloured dogs in the UK, and yes a 1,000 words tells the story of a picture. I am not at all defensive , I have nothing to be defensive about, I hope your little dogs enjoy living in the UK, we have many many dogs of many differing colours here, some are pure bred and some are classed as mutts (I don't like that term myself much though), I adore all dogs no matter what breed they are.:aimeeyork

Yes, I believe I must be a little confused.:aimeeyork

The Biewers are not claiming to come from only yorkies and not many really believe that the parti colors come from only purebred yorkies either. The yorkie does not carry the gene for the spotted yorkie color pattern. It's not a naturally occuring color diviation such as born blue, born brown, etc. But now that the spotted yorkies have been bred back into the yorkie gene pool for so many generations I would guess that they will test pure using the Mars test. Of course with the popularity of the spotted yorkie there are those who are first generation crosses that are being sold as parti color yorkies. It's always buyer beware.

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How did this get to be about you? Non of this is relevent to the OP's question.

I'm sure you do have dogs of many differet colors breeds, sizes, pures an mixed, etc. :confused:

Thank You,

We have been looking into all of the rules and requirements. We will have everything ready when the time comes.

That depends on which group pf Biewer owners that you talk to. At this piont it is really a moot point. the AKC believes that it IS a naturally occuring color and for my puropses that is all that matters.

This point can be argued unitl the cows come home, since there is no proof to support either side of the argument, it is like arguing which came first the chicken or the egg.

We have picture proof and documentation in old show records that there have been white yorkies as far back as the records go. No one knows when or how the white got into the mix, and it really doesn't matter, it is there now.

Yes there are a lot of fakes out there and it is buyer beware, just as it is with buying traditional colored yorkies. One needs to research the breeder

I have a spoken with Joan Gordon, Yes she is still alive and well but Had a fall in March and was in critical care for awhile but is home now. I also ask her to send it to me in handwriting which she has done. Her and Janet had a Tri color male puppy(Trippy) born Dec 10, 1976 from their Wildweir lines. They did register the puppy but he had to be registered as Black and tan. He lived to the age of 12 years old. She says the tricolors were imported to Germany from England. She does go into detail about the tri's but I wont go into it here. She has indeed filled me in on quite few things concerning colors. She did know other breeders that had them. But basically Yes there were tricolors being born from yorkies and mostly they were in England.

Glad to hear Mrs Gordon is back home after her fall and hope she continue on the road to recovery.
Deb I bet you had an interesting chat with her and I'll have to give you a call sometime to hear more about it.

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Good work Deb!!
Will you be posting this on your website? I would love to read her info on the tri's.

Well it defiantly puts to bed the saying the parti is a spinoff of the Biewer since they had a parti yorkie born in 1976 and the first tri Biewer was born in 1984.
The parti puppy they had born was of Wildweir lines several generations back and they know nothing was ever bred into their lines. She also told me of someone breeding Goldens and AKC put a cease and desist on them.

Wow Deb.. good work AGAIN! You never cease to amaze me.

To me this just gives more credence to the belief that the Biewer and the Yorkie (and the Parti Yorkie too) are all one in the same dog.. neither country knew what was being produced in the other country (or in England either for that matter) because there just wasn't the access to the communication we have today (internet), there were no "chat rooms or forums" for people to go discuss these issues on and also, I'm sure, because of the need some felt to maintain secrecy when a "spotted or non standard" color was produced.

I'm so glad you have this documentation in writing and from a very well respected source. These "findings" need to be included in the history of these "spotted/colored" varieties now, before all of the people with first hand knowledge are no longer with us.. (as in Mr. Biewers case) to help answer our questions. Without this documentaion.. people just tend to make up anything they want to be the truth, say it loudly and often enough and it BECOMES the truth. New people come along and just believe what they hear, such a sorry state of affairs.

These Little pieces to the puzzle.. help to put the entire picture into prospective.

Thanks again for your dedication..

Diana :animal-pa

One thing I feel of great importance she conveyed to me was that "the tri-color yorkie was developed in Germany from English Imported Stock."

Let me clarify the last statement as some have taken it wrong. Let me rephrase, She knew of a tri-colored line of Yorkies in Germany that were imported from England. That is what thought to be how Mr. Biewer came up with a tri-color in 1984 from his regular colored yorkies.