Wow - did someone put something in the water? This is UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Has the line between right and wrong been blurred so badly that no one can see it anymore?

How do so many people twist what they read into something it's not?

Yes, this is Admin's house.

Yes, Ann is doing a thankless job for free.

I sincerely appreciate the time that both put into this site but I didn't know that I was suppose to say that every time I post. Sorry, I'm not into brown nosing/a$$ kissing to elevate my standing somewhere. I will acknowledge a job well done and I give compliments when I should but they are genuine and not because the rest of the crowd is doing it!

This did not start off as criticism as some of you have stated. We were asking for clarification on some rules. Stop twisting things around.

Ok, so let's say I went to a party at Admin's house. Say he had a couple of small children. I'm standing outside minding my own business when I notice a child (Admin's friend's child) punching Admin's child. Knowing that this child's parents are friends with Admin - should I tell Admin about his child getting punched or should I just say nothing at all?

Then, let's say I do tell Admin what happened and he says "oh, that's ok my kid needs to learn how to defend himself". I understand - not everyone parents the same and he's busy entertaining.

But after watching this other child continue to harass, punch and belittle his child all afternoon --- do you really think I should stay quiet? Sorry - that's not how I roll. You better believe that I would walk over to that child (the bully) and tell him "that's enough"!

Unfortunately, that's what I see what's happening here.

I don't feel like I disrespected Ann or Admin - if I did - I am genuinely sorry because that was NOT my intention. But just like I would go up to Admin at his party and ask why are you letting this happen - I'm asking the same thing here.

This is sad...

As a mother of three skinkids this is how I would handle the above mentioned situation.....

Assuming that the kids were only punching and not using guns and/or knives :D I would quickly and quietly find Admin and tell him about the situation and then butt out. It is his house, his party and his kid. I would feel obligated to first insure that none of the kids were being injured and then tell Admin -- anything else I did would be overstepping my bounds as a guest. If I didn't like how Admin handled the situation, I would make the decision to leave and not attend any more of his parties.

I asked you why you posted this:

in reponse to this:



I'm sincerely interested in why you think an opinion should be deleted? Is it because she used the word "idiot"? Seriously, I'm respectfully asking, and I'm trying to understand your point.

SERIOUSLY PEOPLE???

This is not what I had in mind when I bumped this thread back up. Being a moderator is not an easy task....Ann has done ALL of the work for the past year while I've been sorting out my life and honestly, had I been here, it probably would have been ugly.

Moderators have full time jobs, deal with too many reported posts per day, and do not have the time to babysit immature, pathetic behavior 24-7.

As I've said for 5 years here....if you don't have anything constructive, helpful, decent or nice to say...ignore the post and walk away from your computer. If you choose to be ignorant, rude, hateful, judgmental then you have to deal with the consequences that are fully laid out in the YT Rules.

If you need to be mad about this take it out on me, not Ann, who is just trying to do the best she can. You can PM me about this if you have anything further to discuss.

Reads. Processes. Thanks the Administrators. Steps away.

I dont come here often but decided to today because it's hot outside and I am bored.

Why not step away from your computers and hug your kids, bathe your dogs, give yourself a pedicure or do something nice for yourselves. Spend what little quality time most of us have and be productive in your life or in the lives of others instead of concerning yourselves with trivial Yorkie Talk drama? Being in the Biewer world and KNOWING all about pointless drama I can say that when you do distance yourself it makes your life a whole lot easier to live and a lot less stressful..Step away!!! Enjoy the day!!!! You will be happier for it!!!!;)

CJ I think your concerns are valid just like I think any member has a concern it should be considered a valid one. There are some underlining things going on elsewhere and Ann is not only taking scuff here but there too where some untrue things are being written about her. I really think that is the reason people are letting her know she is appreciated for all she does. If we have concerns about the way the forum is run it seems like it would be better said in a pm rather than on a forum where people pick and choose sidesand it just adds to the drama

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Good points.

The reason behind the OP post to give people insight as to why and how decisions are made by Admin and Mods. I don't think it was written to obtain opinions on how the forum should be run by them, or to vent one's frustrations. Maybe the OP should be a Sticky.

Every has an opinion and I would not want to be the person who makes the decisions on what stays and whats deleted. That's a hard job. Great work:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Okay, this is going to be my last post on this thread.

First, I do apologize to the powers that be if my posts came off as overly critical. I have never thought that any of the moderators here do a "bad" job. I'm on other boards where it is NOT permitted to question/complain about decisions at all, and doing so is grounds for suspension. And I think it's a reasonable enough rule, because the mods have decided how they run their board, and they don't want any feedback.

YT has a more open feel, since we are allowed to make suggestions, complain, etc. My feeling is that I've been on here for a while, and just as a really good friend will tell you YES, those pants do make your butt look big, I want to be honest and say that it seems to me that some people post in a way that is in direct opposition to the YT rules, and there appear to be no consequences for them. I think that these posts drag down the tone of YT, and it can lead to a perception - maybe not the reality, but the perception - of favoritism. That's all.

Again, this does not mean that the mods Should Be Doing a Better Job. I am requesting a slightly different philosophy in moderation.

I think I've made this point several times now, so I'll stop making it, as it seems now we are going in circles. That's all. Have a great day, everyone.


:turtle: <=== Look, a turtle!

I am a "newbie" myself. I appreciate the diversity here and I have learned very much about the breed. I recently had a post deleted for asking a question. I have no idea why it was deleted, but the "shades of gray" is what leaves someone like me asking, "what did I do wrong?"

I recently read a thread that was bumped after several months and the person asking the question was treated badly imo. Just for asking a question??

I really enjoy reading things here, and if I do choose to reply to a topic, having your post deleted without explanation is a little offensive. ( at least let me know what I did wrong so as not to make the same mistake twice). I do try to abide by the rules and post with consideration to the others.

Moderating can't be an easy job and I appreciate them.

:goodpost::yeahthat::mademyday god i missed you Kim.

Wow, I guess I fall into the ignorant category then. :(

Now why on earth would you think that, I don't understand?

I asked a simple question, it was removed....then the subsequent answers led me to think so.

I'm not second guessing anyone here. I just would like to know what I did to warrant a post deletion, so that I don't do it again. That's all, plain and simple.

Was this the post you thought was deleted?

No, it was it the topic about Biewer registatrions. I asked how someone who was "banned" could post? also how someone who is "no longer a member"? I wasn't being malicious, just courious?

Not sure why, but I would PM Admin and ask. They will tell you.

Apparently they felt it was worth deleting. It would have been courteous to me, to tell me so I wouldn't repeat the mistake....that's all.

I've read many posts here where the person was "banned" or " suspended" or "no longer a member".

That's why I asked, and it was removed. I meant no harm.

That may have been why it was deleted...You cannot ask why a specific person is no longer a member of this forum....But you can ask what those terms mean........


I'm sorry you feel it's hard negotiating this forum....It will get easier for you.....:)

A member who is banned, suspended, or no longer a member here can not post at YorkieTalk any longer. The usertitle gets changed after the status changes. They may have made the post before they were banned or suspended or left YT.

Ooohhhh, now I see what she was talking about.......:)

Oh that makes sense, thanks for clarifying Admin! I was confused by it as well.

I see. Thank you. :)

Well Cindy - I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As a mother of 2 grown skinkids... there's no way I would butt out watching something going on that I know isn't right - to a small child! I guess you won't be inviting me over any time soon. :D

Ha ha...we all know that the guildlines dictate to what extent exactly we can "share" if the siutation is something specific. :P

But as a general statement, it happens often. People come one here and just don't like the way it "is"--so instead of dealing with it or considering that maybe YT just isn't a good fit for them, they try to dictate changes that should be made, both in the way Admin/Mods handle things down to criticizing other members for not posting in the manner they think is appropriate. As if YT will be a better place if only people do what they think is best. :rolleyes: Often times they become guilty of the very actions they are accusing other of.

The scenario given is comparing a small child being hit to a YT adults. Physically striking anyone is far different than a discussion (at times heated) on a dog forum. All you need to do when you are online is turn off the computer. :confused:

As for my "innuendos" there are plenty of other forums that some of us are also member. It is obvious that some people are bouncing back and forth between MULTIPLE forums so their true intent is known by no one except themselves but it does make me wonder of their true motives and intentions for the tone of their posts. :rolleyes:

It's like high school and I just don't play those games. :)

You know what I see... the same bantering happening in this thread that's been happening in other threads... The "argument" for lack of a better word keeps going on and on. I don't know but IMO this forum is about YORKIES... hence the name "Yorkietalk" EXCEPT for the off topic discussion areas that are designated. I don't understand why we can't keep to the babies and try to keep sugar in our voices. Remember EVERYONE here has a mom, dad (someone that loves them) would you like it if someone treated your loved one that way? How would you like to be treated? That's what I ask myself before I post... You never know how a situation really is until you walk in those shoes...