Should I get her fixed? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

maggies-mommy · 05-14-2010, 05:59 PM

I got my frist yorkie this past january, and my mom keeps complaing about how it's not my dog, so she can choose if we get her fixed or not. The vet wants us to before he first heat in June. I don't want to see her go through all that pain, and all the health issues that goes along with it. She said we could keep one of the puppys, but I don't want maggie to feel like I don't like her anymore because shes my baby

Shes only 3.18 pounds, and im just so scared. Of course I want to be sourround with yorkie puppys but then giving them away, and everything. UHH! What should I do ?

Ellie May · 05-14-2010, 06:02 PM

It would be extremely dangerous to breed her if she stays at that weight anyway (or even gains a little bit). If you are 18 or older and the dog is legally yours, then it's your choice. If you are a minor or it's your mom's dog, then there is really nothing you can do.

maggies-mommy · 05-14-2010, 06:04 PM

Yes, im only 14. I know we both will talk about it, and I told her my concerns, she said she will look into it. Im just still scared. Whats a safe weight for breeding anyways

Ellie May · 05-14-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by maggies-mommy

Yes, im only 14. I know we both will talk about it, and I told her my concerns, she said she will look into it. Im just still scared. Whats a safe weight for breeding anyways

Five pounds "and" the correct structure. Some will do 4.5.
I think all you can do is continue to look up the information and present it to her. Even though she is your pup, your mom still gets to make the medical/breeding decisions.

But what a great job you're doing trying to figure out what's best for your girl.

megansmomma · 05-14-2010, 06:10 PM

Welcome to YT

A female needs to be at least 5 or more lbs to breed. But that alone does not mean that she should be used to breed. Where did you purchase her from? Did your breeder give you breeding rights? Do you know about her background and others in her background? Where are you planning on getting a male to breed with and do you know the background of the male as well?

These are all questions that you NEED to know the answers to well in advance to even considering to make puppies with your little girl.

Then there is the fact that if you decided to not breed her as well as not have her spayed, there will always be the chance that puppies will be made on accident. When a female goes into heat there are male dogs from very far away that will be able to smell that she is in heat. What if she is in the yard and a much larger dog were to try to mate with her. The complications involved with that could be life threatening.

maggies-mommy · 05-14-2010, 06:23 PM

I got her from a pet store that only alows AKA breeders, We got all the paper work, I looked through it, I never really sat down and read every single paper. Im not sure where we would get the male, im sure my mom would just post an ad some where, which is complety un-safe. I never talked to her about the male part, so really im not sure, just assuming. I just care about her, and her health. Im don't think she will grow anymore, shes already 6 months old. How old do they have to be to breed?

EDIT- She came form a breeder in MO

peachesmom1sc · 05-14-2010, 06:34 PM

I have alway's been told to wait till the second heat but no way would i let her have babbies i have a lil one that will be
9 months old tomorrow she is just 3 pounds and no way will i ever let her have babbies i to would love to have a house full but not from my lil one

megansmomma · 05-14-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by maggies-mommy

I got her from a pet store that only alows AKA breeders, We got all the paper work, I looked through it, I never really sat down and read every single paper. Im not sure where we would get the male, im sure my mom would just post an ad some where, which is complety un-safe. I never talked to her about the male part, so really im not sure, just assuming. I just care about her, and her health. Im don't think she will grow anymore, shes already 6 months old. How old do they have to be to breed?

EDIT- She came form a breeder in MO

Well, pet stores get their puppies from puppymills. MO has the most puppymills in the country. If she is from a mill there is no way that she should be used to breed. Please just love her as a pet and have her spayed.

If you have the name of the kennel that she came from we can look up on line to see if they are on the USDA breeder list which will seal the deal that she is from a mill.

capt_noonie · 05-14-2010, 06:54 PM

Read these threads and try to educate your mom. Print them out and leave them on her mirror if you have to.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html

Also the simple fact that I learned my baby could DIE during whelping that I decided breeding is def not for me.

joeyandtanksmom · 05-14-2010, 08:29 PM

she absolutely needs to be fixed! She is WAY too small to ever be bred - if she got pregnant, she could very easily die. Find a vet that specializes in small dogs, or take her to the local animal shelter - that's where I had my 4 and 5.5 lb dogs done. They do LOTS of very small puppies and kittens, so they totally know what they're doing. It's more dangerous to have her unspayed than to have the surgery.

Rhetts_mama · 05-14-2010, 09:01 PM

Yes, getting her spayed is a scary thought. But the consequences of not getting her spayed are even more frightening. A female in heat can attract ANY size male dog. A heat cycle can be messy. Unplanned litters over run the animal shelters. Even with a planned litter you can't always be positive of the puppies going to a good home. She's a small girl who would most likely need a ceserean section to deliver- that's expensive! Unspayed females can develop certain cancers that the spayed females won't.

Will she have some pain after the spaying? Some, but only for a few days at most. More than likely after a day or two you will have to keep reminding her to slow down because she will feel just fine.

jazzybee445 · 05-14-2010, 10:53 PM

I think that you should definitely, do research and find out what is right for you and your dog. She does sound to tiny to be bred, and i think that if she is of breed quality (meaning she has no issues) you should wait till she gets a little bigger. I love that you are taking responsibility of your dog! and i think its great that you already seem to have educated yourself about what is good or bad for your dog. Im personally against spay and neuter, however i would recommend that everyone look into the benefits and risk of both having the procedure done and not having it done.

jazzybee445 · 05-14-2010, 10:56 PM

I also dont think you should allow what other people scare you into making your decision. you should look at both sides of the fence regarding the spay and neuter surgery because there ARE RISK of getting the surgery, and something bad can happen, especially in such a tiny yorkie.

Cirlonde · 05-15-2010, 06:00 AM

I used to think that there could be nothing greater in the world than breeding dogs. I mean, who doesn't want a house full of adorable puppies running around making your life heaven on earth?? Then I borrowed a book from the library about breeding Yorkies....totally did a 180 on what I thought I wanted. I can't remember the name of the book now (it's been years) but it really made me see that breeding any animal is not just some simple matter that results in me getting to play with a bunch of puppies.

Breeding is expensive, even if you're not doing it "full time". Vet bills for the female's check ups, even higher vet bills if the female has to have a c-section, bills for having the tails docked and dew claws removed. Then, if a puppy is sickly you've either got to spend more money helping the puppy or the puppy ends up dying which is something I didn't even want to think about. You also need to know how to take care of the momma dog during and after pregnancy. There's certain foods to feed and supplements to give. Things to watch for to make sure there are no complications. I learned that breeding takes a lot more knowledge and effort than I realized. Now I just have a healthy respect for those who do it right.

As an alternative, you might think about volunteering at an animal shelter or something. This would allow you to spend time with a lot of dogs who really need attention and love, without the dangers and expenses of raising dogs yourself. Whatever you decide to do, just make sure you learn as much as you can about both sides! Also, even if you aren't able to have puppies with your current dog now, there's always later. Continue to learn and study, then maybe when you're older you'll be ready to do it right!

-C

Lolasmom33 · 05-15-2010, 07:13 AM

Please do not breed your baby. The decision of whether or not to spay is yours (or your mom's), but like others have said, your puppy is from a mill and therefore you know absolutely nothing about her genes or her background. Puppies from mills almost always have issues whether it be psychological or physical. A good breeder cares about the puppies and where they go. They would NEVER sell a puppy to a store where they have no say or even any idea as to where that puppy is going to go and how he/she will be treated. You do not want to risk creating more puppies that come from this type of environment.

A good breeder breeds for the breed of the dog; to promote the right features, good temperment, and happy, healthy puppies. They do it for the love of the breed not simply for fun or for money like the mills and other backyard breeders.

There are plenty of things you are going to continue to worry about and tough decisions you will have to make throughout your "mommyhood". In your heart, you know what is best for your baby and what she can or can't handle. I aplaud you for doing your research and encourage you to continue to do so as well as talk with your vet. In doing so, you and your mother can make an informed decision.

I too had issues deciding whether or not to spay. I went into it knowing I wanted to have her spayed as not to contribute to the overpopulation in shelters, but when I was holding her I didn't know if I could put her through it. All kinds of thoughts ran through my mind including that the universe would punish me in an equal way for taking away her reproductive capability.

All I had to do is see a picture of a dog with mammory cancer and I pushed through it. Spaying adds years to a dog's life, saves time and money (in the end), and best of all...keeps them in a prolonged puppy state for life! If you get her spayed now she will always have the personality she does now, if you let her go into heat especially more than twice, she may become less friendly and playful and may even become mean at times. If you breed her, she may become very mean at times, no matter how much she loves you.

Good luck with your decision, I hope it works out for you. And remember, your dog can tell you what to do. Look into her eyes and you'll probably get an idea of what is best for her.

05-14-2010, 05:59 PM	#1
maggies-mommy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2010 Location: yorkie world ! Posts: 67	Should I get her fixed? I got my frist yorkie this past january, and my mom keeps complaing about how it's not my dog, so she can choose if we get her fixed or not. The vet wants us to before he first heat in June. I don't want to see her go through all that pain, and all the health issues that goes along with it. She said we could keep one of the puppys, but I don't want maggie to feel like I don't like her anymore because shes my baby Shes only 3.18 pounds, and im just so scared. Of course I want to be sourround with yorkie puppys but then giving them away, and everything. UHH! What should I do ?

05-14-2010, 06:02 PM	#2
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	It would be extremely dangerous to breed her if she stays at that weight anyway (or even gains a little bit). If you are 18 or older and the dog is legally yours, then it's your choice. If you are a minor or it's your mom's dog, then there is really nothing you can do. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

05-14-2010, 06:10 PM	#5
megansmomma Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. W. Suburbs of Chicago, IL Posts: 12,235	Welcome to YT A female needs to be at least 5 or more lbs to breed. But that alone does not mean that she should be used to breed. Where did you purchase her from? Did your breeder give you breeding rights? Do you know about her background and others in her background? Where are you planning on getting a male to breed with and do you know the background of the male as well? These are all questions that you NEED to know the answers to well in advance to even considering to make puppies with your little girl. Then there is the fact that if you decided to not breed her as well as not have her spayed, there will always be the chance that puppies will be made on accident. When a female goes into heat there are male dogs from very far away that will be able to smell that she is in heat. What if she is in the yard and a much larger dog were to try to mate with her. The complications involved with that could be life threatening. __________________ “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Mark Twain

05-14-2010, 06:23 PM	#6
maggies-mommy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2010 Location: yorkie world ! Posts: 67	I got her from a pet store that only alows AKA breeders, We got all the paper work, I looked through it, I never really sat down and read every single paper. Im not sure where we would get the male, im sure my mom would just post an ad some where, which is complety un-safe. I never talked to her about the male part, so really im not sure, just assuming. I just care about her, and her health. Im don't think she will grow anymore, shes already 6 months old. How old do they have to be to breed? EDIT- She came form a breeder in MO Last edited by maggies-mommy; 05-14-2010 at 06:25 PM.

05-14-2010, 06:54 PM	#9
capt_noonie www.yorkierescue.com Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas & Orange County Posts: 17,408	Read these threads and try to educate your mom. Print them out and leave them on her mirror if you have to. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html Also the simple fact that I learned my baby could DIE during whelping that I decided breeding is def not for me. __________________ The T.U.B. Pack! Toto, Uni, & Bindi RIP Lord Scrappington Montgomery McLimpybottom aka El Lenguo the Handicapped Ninja 10-12-12

05-14-2010, 06:04 PM	#3
maggies-mommy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2010 Location: yorkie world ! Posts: 67	Yes, im only 14. I know we both will talk about it, and I told her my concerns, she said she will look into it. Im just still scared. Whats a safe weight for breeding anyways

05-14-2010, 06:34 PM	#7
peachesmom1sc YT Addict Join Date: May 2010 Location: south carolina Posts: 428	I have alway's been told to wait till the second heat but no way would i let her have babbies i have a lil one that will be 9 months old tomorrow she is just 3 pounds and no way will i ever let her have babbies i to would love to have a house full but not from my lil one

05-14-2010, 08:29 PM	#10
joeyandtanksmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuna,ID,USA Posts: 557	she absolutely needs to be fixed! She is WAY too small to ever be bred - if she got pregnant, she could very easily die. Find a vet that specializes in small dogs, or take her to the local animal shelter - that's where I had my 4 and 5.5 lb dogs done. They do LOTS of very small puppies and kittens, so they totally know what they're doing. It's more dangerous to have her unspayed than to have the surgery. __________________ Sandy: Joey & Tank's Mom Jackson Ryan

05-14-2010, 09:01 PM	#11
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	Yes, getting her spayed is a scary thought. But the consequences of not getting her spayed are even more frightening. A female in heat can attract ANY size male dog. A heat cycle can be messy. Unplanned litters over run the animal shelters. Even with a planned litter you can't always be positive of the puppies going to a good home. She's a small girl who would most likely need a ceserean section to deliver- that's expensive! Unspayed females can develop certain cancers that the spayed females won't. Will she have some pain after the spaying? Some, but only for a few days at most. More than likely after a day or two you will have to keep reminding her to slow down because she will feel just fine.

05-14-2010, 10:53 PM	#12
jazzybee445 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 229	I think that you should definitely, do research and find out what is right for you and your dog. She does sound to tiny to be bred, and i think that if she is of breed quality (meaning she has no issues) you should wait till she gets a little bigger. I love that you are taking responsibility of your dog! and i think its great that you already seem to have educated yourself about what is good or bad for your dog. Im personally against spay and neuter, however i would recommend that everyone look into the benefits and risk of both having the procedure done and not having it done.

05-14-2010, 10:56 PM	#13
jazzybee445 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 229	I also dont think you should allow what other people scare you into making your decision. you should look at both sides of the fence regarding the spay and neuter surgery because there ARE RISK of getting the surgery, and something bad can happen, especially in such a tiny yorkie.

05-15-2010, 06:00 AM	#14
Cirlonde YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norman, Oklahoma, United States Posts: 402	I used to think that there could be nothing greater in the world than breeding dogs. I mean, who doesn't want a house full of adorable puppies running around making your life heaven on earth?? Then I borrowed a book from the library about breeding Yorkies....totally did a 180 on what I thought I wanted. I can't remember the name of the book now (it's been years) but it really made me see that breeding any animal is not just some simple matter that results in me getting to play with a bunch of puppies. Breeding is expensive, even if you're not doing it "full time". Vet bills for the female's check ups, even higher vet bills if the female has to have a c-section, bills for having the tails docked and dew claws removed. Then, if a puppy is sickly you've either got to spend more money helping the puppy or the puppy ends up dying which is something I didn't even want to think about. You also need to know how to take care of the momma dog during and after pregnancy. There's certain foods to feed and supplements to give. Things to watch for to make sure there are no complications. I learned that breeding takes a lot more knowledge and effort than I realized. Now I just have a healthy respect for those who do it right. As an alternative, you might think about volunteering at an animal shelter or something. This would allow you to spend time with a lot of dogs who really need attention and love, without the dangers and expenses of raising dogs yourself. Whatever you decide to do, just make sure you learn as much as you can about both sides! Also, even if you aren't able to have puppies with your current dog now, there's always later. Continue to learn and study, then maybe when you're older you'll be ready to do it right! -C __________________ (`•.¸Proud Momma of Chloe Belle and Karli Sue¸.•´) ~.•* Jersey's Four Leaf Clovers *•.~

05-15-2010, 07:13 AM	#15
Lolasmom33 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2010 Location: Homewood, IL, USA Posts: 11	Please do not breed your baby. The decision of whether or not to spay is yours (or your mom's), but like others have said, your puppy is from a mill and therefore you know absolutely nothing about her genes or her background. Puppies from mills almost always have issues whether it be psychological or physical. A good breeder cares about the puppies and where they go. They would NEVER sell a puppy to a store where they have no say or even any idea as to where that puppy is going to go and how he/she will be treated. You do not want to risk creating more puppies that come from this type of environment. A good breeder breeds for the breed of the dog; to promote the right features, good temperment, and happy, healthy puppies. They do it for the love of the breed not simply for fun or for money like the mills and other backyard breeders. There are plenty of things you are going to continue to worry about and tough decisions you will have to make throughout your "mommyhood". In your heart, you know what is best for your baby and what she can or can't handle. I aplaud you for doing your research and encourage you to continue to do so as well as talk with your vet. In doing so, you and your mother can make an informed decision. I too had issues deciding whether or not to spay. I went into it knowing I wanted to have her spayed as not to contribute to the overpopulation in shelters, but when I was holding her I didn't know if I could put her through it. All kinds of thoughts ran through my mind including that the universe would punish me in an equal way for taking away her reproductive capability. All I had to do is see a picture of a dog with mammory cancer and I pushed through it. Spaying adds years to a dog's life, saves time and money (in the end), and best of all...keeps them in a prolonged puppy state for life! If you get her spayed now she will always have the personality she does now, if you let her go into heat especially more than twice, she may become less friendly and playful and may even become mean at times. If you breed her, she may become very mean at times, no matter how much she loves you. Good luck with your decision, I hope it works out for you. And remember, your dog can tell you what to do. Look into her eyes and you'll probably get an idea of what is best for her.