My so-called friend disappeared

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by clueless

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I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. He sounds honest to me.

Callie

Okay then, wishing you the best! Good luck with your new baby

[Chloes dad]

Originally Posted by alyx

I got my yorkie pup (as is usual in the UK) at 8 weeks. She had no stress at all. For the first minute after leaving her mother she snuggled up to the toy I'd wiped all over he mum to get the scent on it...then went to sleep and slept all the way home. She then had a chilled day playing with us and snoozing (as pups do). She ate and drank well and wasn't in the least bit timid or upset. I decided to leave her in her crate (she was used to a crate already) downstairs with a baby monitor and she got me up twice (to play only) the first night. After that she's just slept through and I've had to wake her up in the morning. She's sailed through her vet checks, is fully vaccinated and there's only a few more days left before I can take her for walks. She comes out with us sometimes in a carrier so is used to meeting people (which she loves doing), can see other dogs, has seen traffic, trains, the sea, etc, etc. She sits when told and comes to call. She does her stuff every time she goes in the yard and has had very few mistakes. We've given pee pads a bypass as she's fine with what she's doing. She's healthy, happy and very well socialised. She's also used to a harness and leash so is all set to go for walkies next Tuesday when she'll be 12 weeks. Oh...and she's fine with baths, hairdryers, having nails done, etc. Getting a pup at 8 weeks is not a problem. I've had them older and they've been more of a problem. The first 12 weeks are critical in their socialisation...and that goes for most of the planet. So pups ARE fine to be rehomed at 8 weeks...yorkies or not. They are terriers first and foremost after all. They are not retarded in any way. They are sharp and feisty. So ignore people who say it's too early as it's not. Free feeding is the best if they have to be left, though. And try to have a week off with the pup when you first get him/her.

Not trying to be rude or argue but I have been following this thread and cant hold back anymore. IMO I think there are some very knowledgeable people trying to give this future owner who's screen name says it all, some good advise. Even though I personally don't think she needs a puppy at this time, Nor should she be supporting a byb. I made this mistake And brought my girl home at 8wks before I joined YT. And I wish I had known this info before as I had many many behavior problems with Chloe. But if shes signed up and an active member here, And getting all this great advise and she still chooses to go down this path..well That's just sad.

Now as far as the quotes above, #1) the akc says 12wks before they go home not 8. That may be the standard in the UK but any of our excellent breeders here in the US will agree 8wks is to early as they see the result from keeping them the 12wks they are knowledgeable on this subject..You may be able to separate them at 8 wk but that doesn't make it right. Why on earth would a breeder insist on keeping a puppy longer at more of an expense to them if it wasn't the right thing to do?

#2) Free feeding promotes obesity, picky eaters, And makes it very hard to distinguish weather they are eating to little or to much.

#3) retarded? Who said anything about the puppy's being retarded?

[clueless]

Would you please not post on my threads any more? Thanks for your cooperation.

Callie

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by alyx

I got my yorkie pup (as is usual in the UK) at 8 weeks. She had no stress at all. For the first minute after leaving her mother she snuggled up to the toy I'd wiped all over he mum to get the scent on it...then went to sleep and slept all the way home. She then had a chilled day playing with us and snoozing (as pups do). She ate and drank well and wasn't in the least bit timid or upset. I decided to leave her in her crate (she was used to a crate already) downstairs with a baby monitor and she got me up twice (to play only) the first night. After that she's just slept through and I've had to wake her up in the morning. She's sailed through her vet checks, is fully vaccinated and there's only a few more days left before I can take her for walks. She comes out with us sometimes in a carrier so is used to meeting people (which she loves doing), can see other dogs, has seen traffic, trains, the sea, etc, etc. She sits when told and comes to call. She does her stuff every time she goes in the yard and has had very few mistakes. We've given pee pads a bypass as she's fine with what she's doing. She's healthy, happy and very well socialised. She's also used to a harness and leash so is all set to go for walkies next Tuesday when she'll be 12 weeks. Oh...and she's fine with baths, hairdryers, having nails done, etc. Getting a pup at 8 weeks is not a problem. I've had them older and they've been more of a problem. The first 12 weeks are critical in their socialisation...and that goes for most of the planet. So pups ARE fine to be rehomed at 8 weeks...yorkies or not. They are terriers first and foremost after all. They are not retarded in any way. They are sharp and feisty. So ignore people who say it's too early as it's not. Free feeding is the best if they have to be left, though. And try to have a week off with the pup when you first get him/her.

If you have ever raised a litter, or gotten an older puppy you would know how big the difference is. I did not understand either, until I saw it with my own eyes.

So don 't feel that anyone is qualified to advise others until they have experienced the difference first hand.

That is like a newly wed trying to give advice on how to make a marriage last. They just don't have the experience to offer advice.

[ArmaniMan]

Whether you get this pup at 8 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 weeks whatever, they are still young and hypoglycemia can be an issue. Free feeding is the best way to go at that age especially if they will be alone for lengthy periods of time. You should not worry about a young puppy being overweight.

I would set up an expen if possible with food, water, a bed or blankets and wee wee pads for when you are not home.

I was a bit confused, sorry... did you decide to only take one? If you are planning to take two, since they will be very young I would let them stay together for now and worry about separating fostering independence once they are a bit older.

And good luck!

[mileydog]

Originally Posted by Cerise

They are too young to be taken at 7-8 weeks. They need to stay until 12 weeks with their mother. This is not a good sign of this cross-breeder to let them go so young.

How is your other dog doing? Are you really sure you can handle two puppies with the issues that your other dog has?

Giving your word to pick them both up is not the same as having a contract and since this is a cross-breeder, he won't be making any waves if you have to change your plans...trust me on that one. Unless you are dead set about going through with this... it just seems that you are not completely sure or ready from reading your previous post.

Why does everyone say that the puppy is too young to leave the mother at 8 weeks? I agree that they should stay with the mother until 12 weeks but I really don't see anything wrong with them leaving at 8 weeks. Plenty of dogs leave that early and nothings ends up wrong. Why does everyone say 12 weeks is appropriate? Just curious?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Chloes dad

Not trying to be rude or argue but I have been following this thread and cant hold back anymore. IMO I think there are some very knowledgeable people trying to give this future owner who's screen name says it all, some good advise. Even though I personally don't think she needs a puppy at this time, Nor should she be supporting a byb. I made this mistake And brought my girl home at 8wks before I joined YT. And I wish I had known this info before as I had many many behavior problems with Chloe. But if shes signed up and an active member here, And getting all this great advise and she still chooses to go down this path..well That's just sad.

Now as far as the quotes above, #1) the akc says 12wks before they go home not 8. That may be the standard in the UK but any of our excellent breeders here in the US will agree 8wks is to early as they see the result from keeping them the 12wks they are knowledgeable on this subject..You may be able to separate them at 8 wk but that doesn't make it right. Why on earth would a breeder insist on keeping a puppy longer at more of an expense to them if it wasn't the right thing to do?

#2) Free feeding promotes obesity, picky eaters, And makes it very hard to distinguish weather they are eating to little or to much.

#3) retarded? Who said anything about the puppy's being retarded?

I agree with our post except for free feeding. Yorkies do not tend to over eat. And a young puppy should not be left alone all day without food.

My dogs are all free fed, always have been and not a single one is picky nor are they obese. In fact I would think it to be the opposite. If there is food there all the time, they do not feel like they have to gorge themselves.

[Chloes dad]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I agree with our post except for free feeding. Yorkies do not tend to over eat. And a young puppy should not be left alone all day without food.

My dogs are all free fed, always have been and not a single one is picky nor are they obese. In fact I would think it to be the opposite. If there is food there all the time, they do not feel like they have to gorge themselves.

I am sorry that I was rude clueless.. I really am. And I will not respond to you anymore and respect your wishes. But wanted to say sorry for being rude (your right It did come out rude) Although I do stand behind what I said, just not how I said it.

Also jeaniek Im sorry in no way was I saying that all dogs are effected the same but I have read many articles on this as well as talked to many breeders and vets and they all told me this. But if it works for you, great. But besides the overeating which i agree may not be as big of an issue under eating concerns me. I have included a exert from a article I read not to long ago.. And sorry again everyone for being rude.

Once-a-day? Twice-a-day? Free-feed? Ask around and you’ll hear lots of different opinions on the optimal feeding schedule for your dog or cat. So what is the correct answer? Well first off, rest easy as there is no hard and fast correct answer. That being said, it’s our opinion that free-feeding is the worst way to go. The best comparison we can make is that free-feeding is like having a full buffet in your house, stocked with food 24 hours-a-day. When you think of it this way, it’s not hard to understand why pets that are free-fed tend to be sluggish, lethargic, and passionless about their food. After all, how excited would you be about that lasagna if you had a big bowl of it sitting in the corner all day long? In a dog or cat’s life food is the number-one motivation. Sure, they love rides in the car, going for walks, or getting a visit from the neighbor’s pet. But nothing beats food. A critter with no passion for food is an unhappy critter. A pet should have an unbridled passion for food. They need to look forward to their next meal with anticipation and excitement. This creates the foundation for a well-tempered, happy pet.
In addition to the negative effect on disposition, free feeding is not ideal for the digestive system. Dogs and cats in the wild have long breaks between meals -- far longer than humans who operate ideally on 3 meals per day. These breaks give their digestive system a chance to rest and prepare for the next meal. So, if this is all true, why do some pet foods suggest free-feeding? For the same reason that your shampoo bottle tells you to lather, rinse, and repeat . . . to sell more shampoo. The sad fact is that many pet food manufacturers are far more concerned with the almighty dollar than the health of your pets.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by mileydog

Why does everyone say that the puppy is too young to leave the mother at 8 weeks? I agree that they should stay with the mother until 12 weeks but I really don't see anything wrong with them leaving at 8 weeks. Plenty of dogs leave that early and nothings ends up wrong. Why does everyone say 12 weeks is appropriate? Just curious?

Because experience has shown that they learn a tremendous amount from their mothers between 8 and 12 weeks. And it has been shown that they have a lot less issues with eating and biting and fear when they get older.

Just because one 12 week old puppy has not shown any issues from being rehomed at 8 weeks, does not mean that it is a good idea.

[BellaDonna]

I got Bella at 11 weeks and I have to admit that there is a big difference between an 8 week old puppy and an 11 and 12 week old puppy.
Another thing is you really have no idea if this breeder is telling you the truth about age. I have actually known of breeders that sold 5 week old puppies to people telling them the puppy was 8 weeks old so that the buyer who wanted a tiny dog would think they were getting a TINY dog. Needless to say these pups have a very hard time and so do the new owners. Since your dog won't have papers you really can't know how old they really are you just have to hope for the best. If you are going to pick the pup up, make sure you check things like eyes and teeth and motor skills to gauge the true age of the pup.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Chloes dad

I am sorry that I was rude clueless.. I really am. And I will not respond to you anymore and respect your wishes. But wanted to say sorry for being rude (your right It did come out rude) Although I do stand behind what I said, just not how I said it.

Also jeaniek Im sorry in no way was I saying that all dogs are effected the same but I have read many articles on this as well as talked to many breeders and vets and they all told me this. But if it works for you, great. But besides the overeating which i agree may not be as big of an issue under eating concerns me. I have included a exert from a article I read not to long ago.. And sorry again everyone for being rude.

Once-a-day? Twice-a-day? Free-feed? Ask around and you’ll hear lots of different opinions on the optimal feeding schedule for your dog or cat. So what is the correct answer? Well first off, rest easy as there is no hard and fast correct answer. That being said, it’s our opinion that free-feeding is the worst way to go. The best comparison we can make is that free-feeding is like having a full buffet in your house, stocked with food 24 hours-a-day. When you think of it this way, it’s not hard to understand why pets that are free-fed tend to be sluggish, lethargic, and passionless about their food. After all, how excited would you be about that lasagna if you had a big bowl of it sitting in the corner all day long? In a dog or cat’s life food is the number-one motivation. Sure, they love rides in the car, going for walks, or getting a visit from the neighbor’s pet. But nothing beats food. A critter with no passion for food is an unhappy critter. A pet should have an unbridled passion for food. They need to look forward to their next meal with anticipation and excitement. This creates the foundation for a well-tempered, happy pet.
In addition to the negative effect on disposition, free feeding is not ideal for the digestive system. Dogs and cats in the wild have long breaks between meals -- far longer than humans who operate ideally on 3 meals per day. These breaks give their digestive system a chance to rest and prepare for the next meal. So, if this is all true, why do some pet foods suggest free-feeding? For the same reason that your shampoo bottle tells you to lather, rinse, and repeat . . . to sell more shampoo. The sad fact is that many pet food manufacturers are far more concerned with the almighty dollar than the health of your pets.

And where was this article taken from you did not cite who wrote it an what credentials they have. What expertise do they have to be making these claims?

[Chloes dad]

lol im not wanting to argue, I was just simply stating things ive read and that it was my opinion.. but since you asked here a couple sites that basically say the same thing...

Free Feeding | Dog Adoption Folder On-line | United Animal Friends | Prescott, Arizona



Free Feeding Your Dog?



Feeding Time - VeterinaryPartner.com - a VIN company!

Those are few of some that I have found.. hope any of these help..ttyl