Some nerve!
 

i was appalled reading the thread about the price of a "morkie."

there were so many posts about how you shouldn't pay that much for a "mutt" and how there are SO many dogs in rescues (that was the main one saw over and over).

are you SERIOUS? how are you going to tell someone they should get a dog from a rescue or a shelter when you obviously bypassed those places and paid a pretty penny for your dog!

i'm sorry, but if you love a dog - you love it - "mutt" or not! should someone pay a zillion times the price for a "mutt"? probably not - but when you want to start preaching about all the poor animals in need of homes - stop and think about where YOU got YOUR animal.

Well I did get my 3 from a rescue, rehome and a shelter. And the pretty penny has been the cost at the vets when you get a puppymill dog (my rescue was a puppymill mother).
But I think most people are trying to get people to stop spending money at the breeders that breed mix dogs. Because call them what you wish they are still mutts and everyday the shelters kill 1000s. You will love your shelter dog as much as if you spent big bucks.... I do.
The people that get from a good breeder are trying to keep the yorkie line pure. I was one of thoes people that said how can people spend money at a breeders when the shelters are so full? Well now I understand what the breeders are trying to do, keep their breed going strong and true.

excellently worded - I never saw that particular thread - but with everyone and their uncle breeding 'designer' dogs .why encourage it ? Many good breeders invest their lives into their lines - while someone who is selling mixed puppies is basically throwing 2 dogs together and giving them cute names -

don't get me wrong - I think they're all cute but I also wouldn't fork out what a purebred dog costs - and to clarify - I got my first yorkie years ago (Chanel) and didn't know what I know now ...I consider myself lucky neither of my girls have health issues - it could have easily gone the other way considering her 'breeder'

Either way you look at it - dogs are being overbred - too many now trying to profit from the 'craze' of designer dogs and there's no end in site ...Shelters have been around forever and you'd think we'd have a better handle on reducing the shelter population (and rescue) - but we don't and never will with so many people selling puppies now :(

Thanks for writing this thread luvmypuppE! I'm so sick of what's good for the goose not being good for the gander and you said it well! While I have yorkies and have no intention of getting a morkie I'm sick of those breeders being called unethical just because of the dogs they choose to breed. And anything but a purebred blue steel and gold yorkie being called a mutt which by definition is a "mongrel dog who's origin is in question!" it's a bit elitist to me and if we are going to talk about the shelter problem then no one should be breeding dogs period! It definitely was an interesting thread and glad it bugged someone else too!

Well.....this has nothing to do with 'morkies' - who I think are adorable but still aren't purebred - don't know how many of you remember when the rage was a 'Puggle' - the man who cross bred to get that particular dog was busted in one of the biggest mill busts ever.

He created a 'designer' dog - yet was running one of the biggest puppy mills in the country. You can google him - he was discussed right on this site before he was busted and it was quite obvious his creation was very profitable - why he had to run a mill with over a 1000 dogs blew my mind

IF I ever were to get another dog - it would be a shelter dog. I've already decided that.....but it still stands to reason that the true breeders invest into their lines - while many don't -

yorkies or morkies - there's good and bad out there - but the prices should reflect what goes into the breeding and not what's 'hot' at the moment ....when you see a well bred YORKIE - you know it.

I'm sorry, but I believe that post asked if that was too much for a Morkie, they were asking for opinions and that's what people were sharing.
There are so many YT members that work with rescue shelters and a lot of member have adopted from shelters and rescues. So I don't think it's a fair statement to say that members bypassed these options to get a puppy!
I have three dogs. One Yorkie we did buy from a breeder at 12 weeks, one Yorkie that we rescued at 2 1/2yrs & one Yorkie Poo that was being rehomed by a family who kept her in the basement.
I love Crosley (Yorkie Poo), but she is a mutt in that she is a mix, no one questions whether it's ok to love these dogs, of course it is.
The question is whether it's ethical for breeders to be cross breeding and selling these dogs as "rare" "designer" "hybrid" etc... and what their motivations are.
I do think using the word "ethical" to question why a breeder would cross breed is correct, IMO. Mixing different breeds of dogs are dogs that can't be shown & can't be registered. So to me it seems the motivation is money. It can't be for betterment of a breed since you are mixing breeds.
Ethics are professional standards and behaviors. If you are cross breeding for the purpose of selling dogs and making money, that is unethical the way I view it.
Shelters and rescues are full of mixed breed dogs and even poorly pure bred dogs from puppy mills & BYBs so I see no point in encouraging these practices. JMO!

I paid for a healthy well bred Yorkshire Terrier from a ethical reputable breeder. You by now having read many post should know what that means in comparison to a poorly bred BYB designer, hybrid, mixed breed, mutt/mongrel puppy that was brought into this world to sale for $$$$ to people who don't have a clue of what ethical breeding or having the knowledge of genetics when it comes to breeding, is all about. If you don't know by now after reading many post understand the difference then I suggest you re-read, do some research on the subject matter. There is nothing wrong with loving a mixed breed if you have or get one and no one has ever suggested other wise. What was said was to stop supporting unethical breeders! And if you desire to have a mixed breed get one from a rescue or shelter which is where most of them end up.

I think it's sad that everyone thinks it's okay to purposely mix breeds and call them "designer" just to make a buck, and the names they brand some of these mixes, I don't know where they come up with them:rolleyes: I think most YT'er's try to educate, I know I've learned tons here, and am still learning. I was ignorant to a lot of stuff before I found YT. :)

There IS nothing wrong with mixed breeds - it's the price gouging that sucks - and there is way too much of that these days. People feel if they slap a huge pricetag on something it makes it special - whether it be dogs or other things - it's just the way of the world now but doesn't make it right

people offering advise on pricing is helpful for someone who needs that kind of help - it's not saying mixed dogs are not great pets

Cheryl not only do I agree with you but I resemble your comment! :P

To the OPer, your thought process is the exact reason that Cheryl and I were both about to be the proud owners of our pups but truth be told it does not make your ideas correct. :rolleyes:

Lots and lots of BYB and PM's that breed only purebred dogs too.

I don't see a problem in recommending the person search for a morkie through rescues and shelters rather than to pay an exorbitant price for a mixed breed, from what I would consider an unethical breeder.

Every one of my "animals" were rescues and I can tell you that if you met them in the streets you would not know it.

People use the word "mutt" because these pups are NOT designers ... they are simply mixed breed pups that lazy people breed. Yes, I said lazy! People who breed these pups and charge high prices are making money off of them!! This is not a love of the "breed" or the pup....it is greed, pure and simple. Sorry if that steps on anyone's toes. The word "mutt" is used to inform and educate....it may sound unkind, but anyone saying it is not trying to say those pups are awful. It is just that the breeding is wrong..there is NO genetic testing being done...nothing. Just putting two breeds together for a buck.

And...YES, it is a problem with the pet population; just as the mills and byb's who are selling poorly bred purebreds...doing no genetic testing..nothing. Just pumping out pups for a buck. There are tons of mixed breed pups in shelters...just go pick one out and call it whatever you want...guess the breeds and come up with a name. Guaranteed to be a great pup and a heck of a lot cheaper than the ones the greeders are breeding.

No one is against responsible breeding. The key word: responsible. I don't know how anyone can call these people who are doing this "responsible".

Well, I don't know who you are refering to. I posted on that thread and yes did in fact suggest if she looks for a second dog to try a rescue or a shelter as there are quite a few mixed pups or designer pups as they were now given a fancy name. And, NO I didn't pay a pretty penny for my Yorkies. I adopted ALL of mine, all but one, including my mixed up pup (What they now call a Morkie). I don't find it unreasonable to suggest looking into rescue or a shelter. I suggest this with pure breeds as well as mixed breeds. The shelters and rescues are bombarded with both right now. People are losing their homes or are unable to afford their pets now, due to the economy and sadly their pets are ending up in already over crowded rescues and shelters. Some kill shelters where they are only given a week if they are lucky before they are gassed. Not humanely euthanized, but gassed. So, no I don't feel bad with what I wrote in that thread.

Elaine

:thumbup: Well said. Elaine

I don't think calling people names is really appropriate or fair. When you start name you are only being hurtful. To me it is right up there with being called stupid..

And yes, there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dos, I know many who do.

I posted on that thread too and suggested rescue and a shelter if they didn't want a purebred...
Again, I'm gonna say this and I hope I don't get reprimanded LOL..I think the OP loves to start trouble...JMHO

Donna

In my opinion I don't think most members are telling people where to get there dogs, but arming them with knowledge to help them make an educated choice.

If one chooses to get their dog from a rescue, make sure it is an accredited rescue.

If you choose a puppy from the pound/shelter, be aware that this dog may come with it's own set of issues and you will have to put the time, money and effort to overcome them.

If one chooses to get a cross breed. Be aware of where you get your dog. One shouldn't be paying exhorbant prices in the name of the flavor of the month, Designer Dog, etc. Keeping in mind that no reputable breeder would purposely cross breed, although accidents at times happen. However, if they do, reputable breeders would never sell these dogs, they would place these puppies with no fee attached to them

If one chooses a purebred breed, do your homework, seek out your breeder first, develop a relationship, make sure that breeder has the pups welfare first. Your breeder should be there 7x24 for the rest of that dogs life. The deal should never end when you walk out that door with your puppy.

Not calling anyone a name. Just my feelings about why people breed irresponsibly and charge crazy amounts of money.

Strike the word lazy.....and simply focus on the fact that people are breeding pups that simply are not worth the money being charged. Do tell me WHY that is going on?? Why are they breeding them? Seriously...what is the reason...if not money???

I agree with you.

I don't think LadyJane was calling anyone in particular lazy but using the word in general and those that breed for "mutts" in my opinion are lazy to do research on what is wrong in doing this...,.
when they breed for "mutts" yes I said "mutts". I grew up with mutts and in MY opinion there is nothing wrong with calling them that. I'm sick and tired of people wanting everyone to be politically correct...

Donna

I agree with you Donna, so if you get in trouble I will too. The OP tried to stir it with her post on the thread about the Russian child being sent back. I was the only one that bit (nicely) but it could have gotten messy with people who have children adopted from overseas. E.

Stating being lazy is not calling them names. It is calling out their actions.

What actual breed genetic health test is done from mix breeding by BYB's? Please don't mention a common vet check. They do not pay for the proper testing.

I think you are missing the entire point of why we feel that they are unethical. When you take 2 pure bred dog that were bred to the standard AKC and mix them together you are no longer breeding to standard since one does not exist. When a reputable breeder pairs 2 dogs to create puppies they look for certain things that will take place genetically and have been bred into the lines they are creating. With this thought, a reputable breeder would NEVER sell one of their dogs and include breeding right to someone who planned to mix the lines of 2 different pedigreed dogs. So right off the bat you are then starting out with a substandard breeding pair. Keeping this in mind why would anyone want to purchase substandard puppies from a breeder that is creating and selling mixes for a huge profit? It is wrong all the way around.

I own 2 "Morkies" but they are substandard and are both from a rescues. If someone saw Bogey they would think he was a "designer" blonde Yorkie but he is not he's a mix. He was from the shelter and I paid under $50 for him and I think he is beautiful! Doodlebug is from a Mill rescue and he is pretty dare cute too but his mother was pumping out puppies for YEARS from an Amish mill in Ohio. The miller was a horrible man. The vet that spayed the females after they were taken by the rescue said the many of the females had organs sewn together from the "miller c-sections" that were performed on the bitches when they were not able to deliver puppies naturally. This is were a great majority of these mixes come from and surely you do not agree with this barbaric behavior. But when you believe that people should be allowed to breed what they want this IS what you promoting. The purchase of any mix that is called a "designer or hybrid" is only perpetuation the suffering of so many others and if people became more familiar with what REALLY goes on in the seedy world of mills and BYBers making money off the back of this poor dogs how could you not agree that it should not be condoned and frowned upon. :confused: It is WRONG and I will stick by this statement forever!

Oh I am not saying they aren't doing it for the money.. Believe it or not, I am sick of all the new mixes I see pop up every day. I am 100% against commercial kennels as well. There is A LOT I don't like. I am just saying that not everyone breeding mixes are in it for the money or are lazy people.

I have had 2 people in the last 2 weeks (where do they come from is a good question) asking me if I would breed my cockapoo with their dog. One lady owns a havanese, wanted to breed with my cockapoo? WHY? And the other one wanted Ripley to breed with her dog that was some crazy off the wall mix already.:confused::confused:

And NO I DID NOT do it! :p

I mean it's ok to state your opinion even if "I" don't agree with it but it seems to me of course this person only posts controversial threads or posts...I may be wrong and if I am I will apologize...just something in my gut tells me this and I always go with my gut...

Donna

Not wrong at all, I think most are in agreement.

Thank you...that is exactly what I meant.

Yeah....the PC thing is a bit out of control at times.

Hey...speaking of "mutts", my Cookie who won the YT Halloween contest this year is a yorkie "mutt"! She is a wonderful pup....got her from a shelter and she is worth a LOT of money in my book. :D She is smart as a whip and such a total pleasure!

Just curious, but who's definition is that?

Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

Main Entry: mutt
Pronunciation: \ˈmət\
Function: noun
Etymology: short for muttonhead dull-witted person
Date: 1899
1 : a stupid or insignificant person : fool
2 : a mongrel dog : cur
Main Entry: mon·grel
Pronunciation: \ˈmäŋ-grəl, ˈməŋ-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, probably from mong mixture, short for ymong, from Old English gemong crowd — more at among
Date: 15th century
1 : an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2 : a cross between types of persons or things

Sorry, but by valid definition, the term mutt is accurate when used to refer to any mixed breed dog. If use of the term offends people, then that is their own personal issue to deal with.

Donna your the perfect person to ask this question. Would you EVER consider selling one of your dogs with breeding right to someone who wanted to breed Morkies, Shorkies, Dorkies, Horkies or some other mix?