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mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3085836)
I don't think LadyJane was calling anyone in particular lazy but using the word in general and those that breed for "mutts" in my opinion are lazy to do research on what is wrong in doing this...,.
when they breed for "mutts" yes I said "mutts". I grew up with mutts and in MY opinion there is nothing wrong with calling them that. I'm sick and tired of people wanting everyone to be politically correct...

Donna
Oh I am far from PC..HAHA.. I have no problem with whatever one wants to call them..

But the word lazy was used in a general term putting anyone breeding mixes in the lazy category. Doesn't matter what one meant, it is a very derogatory word no matter how you use it it means the same.

I have a problem with ANYONE breeding for profit and have my own thoughts about them.

megansmomma 04-15-2010 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085851)
Not wrong at all, I think most are in agreement.
or how about you? Would you sell with breeding right?

Mardelin 04-15-2010 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085854)
Donna your the perfect person to ask this question. Would you EVER consider selling one of your dogs with breeding right to someone who wanted to breed Morkies, Shorkies, Dorkies, Horkies or some other mix?
I think I can answer for Donna since I know her personally "NO". But then she doesn't sell dogs on open registration.

jrsygal37 04-15-2010 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3085848)
I mean it's ok to state your opinion even if "I" don't agree with it but it seems to me of course this person only posts controversial threads or posts...I may be wrong and if I am I will apologize...just something in my gut tells me this and I always go with my gut...

Donna
Oh I agree too, but like you said it seems she posts only on certain threads and tries to stir the pot by writing things she knows will cause others to react. And, in a lot of cases she walks away after she's accomplished what she set ou to do. E.

Mardelin 04-15-2010 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085859)
or how about you? Would you sell with breeding right?
A big fat simple NO. I don't sell puppies on open registration anyway, either.

BamaFan121s 04-15-2010 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3085780)
I paid for a healthy well bred Yorkshire Terrier from a ethical reputable breeder. You by now having read many post should know what that means in comparison to a poorly bred BYB designer, hybrid, mixed breed, mutt/mongrel puppy that was brought into this world to sale for $$$$ to people who don't have a clue of what ethical breeding or having the knowledge of genetics when it comes to breeding, is all about. If you don't know by now after reading many post understand the difference then I suggest you re-read, do some research on the subject matter. There is nothing wrong with loving a mixed breed if you have or get one and no one has ever suggested other wise. What was said was to stop supporting unethical breeders! And if you desire to have a mixed breed get one from a rescue or shelter which is where most of them end up.
Very nicely stated. I was trying to figure out a way to put this into words, but you've done it perfectly. :thumbup:

The point, was missed, which seems to be pretty typical when this topic comes up. The point was discouraging supporting unethical breeders, not degrading mutts. :rolleyes: But I'm thinking that honestly, this was just one more oportunity for people to stir up controversy.

Breeze 04-15-2010 06:17 AM
I personally am offended the OP would start threads here and speak to us at YT in this type of manner. To me it is simply just to get us going.

I think someone may need to read this thread.


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html

Cerise 04-15-2010 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085854)
Donna your the perfect person to ask this question. Would you EVER consider selling one of your dogs with breeding right to someone who wanted to breed Morkies, Shorkies, Dorkies, Horkies or some other mix?

LOL!!! What is a Horkie? :scratchhe don't tell me there are more __orkie mixes out there :facepalm:

BamaFan121s 04-15-2010 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085806)
Lots and lots of BYB and PM's that breed only purebred dogs too.
You are absolutely right....and you see members here speaking up against supporting them all the time too. An unethical breeder is an unethical breeder, regardless to what breed or combination of breeds they are dealing with.

mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3085842)
Stating being lazy is not calling them names. It is calling out their actions.

What actual breed genetic health test is done from mix breeding by BYB's? Please don't mention a common vet check. They do not pay for the proper testing.
Where did I say that BYB's did testing?

I said "there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dogs, I know many who do."

And if you would like the list of tests I can give you that. But they are pretty much the same testing done purebreds done by responsible breeders.

ladyjane 04-15-2010 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085858)
Oh I am far from PC..HAHA.. I have no problem with whatever one wants to call them..

But the word lazy was used in a general term putting anyone breeding mixes in the lazy category. Doesn't matter what one meant, it is a very derogatory word no matter how you use it it means the same.

I have a problem with ANYONE breeding for profit and have my own thoughts about them.
Not sure what else to call someone who makes money off of the backs of the pups.

If they don't work a real job and rely on the pups for their income, I call it lazy. There are MANY ways to make a living.

Thank God I was raised to believe in hard work. My grandmother raised her five children on her own (husband was killed in an accident) during the depression. Busted her butt to keep her 67 acre farm....took in laundry, ironing, alterations. Baked, cooked, sewed clothes, made quilts....did what she could...but did not ever resort to breeding which is often seen on farms. She raised her children to respect and love all animals and they did the same with their children. I am grateful that I came from that family.

megansmomma 04-15-2010 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085865)
A big fat simple NO. I don't sell puppies on open registration anyway, either.

Exactly! Both you and Donna have beautiful dog and so where are all of these Yorkies coming from that are being bred and sold as Designer dogs? Cr@p breeders who don't give a hoot where their dogs go, what is done with them, who breeds them for what purposes! To argue that designer dogs should be bred because there is a market it doing nothing but adding to the problems for all of the millers and Byers selling MUTTS at outrageous prices and filling the shelters and rescues in this country! To jump on the "you people are so rude" bandwagon because of VALID evidence of what types of dogs are being bred is well............RUDE and uninformed as to the reasons that we all feel this way!

Cha Cha 04-15-2010 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3085871)
LOL!!! What is a Horkie? :scratchhe don't tell me there are more __orkie mixes out there :facepalm:
Which is what is the saddest of all. People are using the "orkie" to put $$$$$ in their pocket, let's face it "orkie" sells, and untimately, it IS the Yorkie that suffers most, IMO. Why wouldn't the people of a Yorkie forum be upset about that, and how could you expect them to change their opinion on mixed breeds when it is their (their meant as a whole per the forum) breed that has suffered among the most in this "designer" horror.

mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3085852)
Just curious, but who's definition is that?

Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

Main Entry: mutt
Pronunciation: ˈmət
Function: noun
Etymology: short for muttonhead dull-witted person
Date: 1899
1 : a stupid or insignificant person : fool
2 : a mongrel dog : cur
Main Entry: mon·grel
Pronunciation: ˈmäŋ-grəl, ˈməŋ-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, probably from mong mixture, short for ymong, from Old English gemong crowd — more at among
Date: 15th century
1 : an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2 : a cross between types of persons or things

Sorry, but by valid definition, the term mutt is accurate when used to refer to any mixed breed dog. If use of the term offends people, then that is their own personal issue to deal with.
Who got offended by the term "mutt"? I missed it..

Brooklynn 04-15-2010 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085854)
donna your the perfect person to ask this question. Would you ever consider selling one of your dogs with breeding right to someone who wanted to breed morkies, shorkies, dorkies, horkies or some other mix?
h*ll no! :)

Mardelin 04-15-2010 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085885)
Exactly! Both you and Donna have beautiful dog and so where are all of these Yorkies coming from that are being bred and sold as Designer dogs? Cr@p breeders who don't give a hoot where their dogs go, what is done with them, who breeds them for what purposes! To argue that designer dogs should be bred because there is a market it doing nothing but adding to the problems for all of the millers and Byers selling MUTTS at outrageous prices and filling the shelters and rescues in this country! To jump on the "you people are so rude" bandwagon because of VALID evidence of what types of dogs are being bred is well............RUDE and uninformed as to the reasons that we all feel this way!
Where are all these Yorkies coming from that are being cross bred and offspring are being sold as Designer Dogs. Very easy answer, from breeders that don't have their dogs welfare at heart, will sell a dog on open registration to anyone. And all in the name of money.

megansmomma 04-15-2010 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3085891)
h*ll no! :)
There you go! :rolleyes:

Mardelin 04-15-2010 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085888)
Who got offended by the term "mutt"? I missed it..
The original poster on another thread. That's why this one was started.

Brooklynn 04-15-2010 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3085885)
Exactly! Both you and Donna have beautiful dog and so where are all of these Yorkies coming from that are being bred and sold as Designer dogs? Cr@p breeders who don't give a hoot where their dogs go, what is done with them, who breeds them for what purposes! To argue that designer dogs should be bred because there is a market it doing nothing but adding to the problems for all of the millers and Byers selling MUTTS at outrageous prices and filling the shelters and rescues in this country! To jump on the "you people are so rude" bandwagon because of VALID evidence of what types of dogs are being bred is well............RUDE and uninformed as to the reasons that we all feel this way!
It's called "LAZY" and relying on profit! Yes I said LAZY! In not doing their homework and not loving and having the passion for this breed!

megansmomma 04-15-2010 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085894)
Where are all these Yorkies coming from that are being cross bred and offspring are being sold as Designer Dogs. Very easy answer, from breeders that don't have their dogs welfare at heart, will sell a dog on open registration to anyone. And all in the name of money.
Exactly my point! Anyone that jumps up and down that it is their "right" to breed mixes, sell mixes, make mixes, own mixes it uninformed and uneducated!

mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3085873)
You are absolutely right....and you see members here speaking up against supporting them all the time too. An unethical breeder is an unethical breeder, regardless to what breed or combination of breeds they are dealing with.
Exactly!!! I could not agree more!

jrsygal37 04-15-2010 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085894)
Where are all these Yorkies coming from that are being cross bred and offspring are being sold as Designer Dogs. Very easy answer, from breeders that don't have their dogs welfare at heart, will sell a dog on open registration to anyone. And all in the name of money.
:thumbup: E.

Cerise 04-15-2010 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085879)
Where did I say that BYB's did testing?

I said "there are many breeders of "mixed" breeds who actually test their dogs, I know many who do."

And if you would like the list of tests I can give you that. But they are pretty much the same testing done purebreds done by responsible breeders.

Sorry, but ANYONE who mixes breeds to sell is either a BYB or owns a PM...period. There is no politically correct sugar coated way to say it. It does not matter how many years of experience, what they think is a wonderful mix, how many uniformed customers they have requesting and waiting for a puppy, or how much they love their business and think they are doing right...it's all the same...a lack of integrity, not humane towards the breeds used and unethical.

Cerise 04-15-2010 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 3085886)
Which is what is the saddest of all. People are using the "orkie" to put $$$$$ in their pocket, let's face it "orkie" sells, and untimately, it IS the Yorkie that suffers most, IMO. Why wouldn't the people of a Yorkie forum be upset about that, and how could you expect them to change their opinion on mixed breeds when it is their (their meant as a whole per the forum) breed that has suffered among the most in this "designer" horror.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

BamaFan121s 04-15-2010 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085888)
Who got offended by the term "mutt"? I missed it..
It happens on here all the time...not just in this thread. There are always people who are offended when the term is used, even though, by definition, it's being used correctly.

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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3085879)
And if you would like the list of tests I can give you that. But they are pretty much the same testing done purebreds done by responsible breeders.
I would actually be VERY interested to see a list of the the test they perform. (And what breeds they were using.) I am curious as to how they know what to test for in the pups produced given that there is no way to determine which genes have been passed from which parent and what the combination will result in in the pooch.

Mardelin 04-15-2010 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3085906)
Sorry, but ANYONE who mixes breeds to sell is either a BYB or owns a PM...period. There is no politically correct sugar coated way to say it. It does not matter how many years of experience, what they think is a wonderful mix, how many uniformed customers they have requesting and waiting for a puppy, or how much they love their business and think they are doing right...it's all the same...a lack of integrity, not humane towards the breeds used and unethical.
Yes, but a person can find justification for doing what they do. So, arguing the poing with someone that is doing this type of breeding at times does no good....You are banging your head against the wall and never change their minds. Why? When money is the big motivator it does prevent one to think rationally.

jencar98 04-15-2010 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3085906)
Sorry, but ANYONE who mixes breeds to sell is either a BYB or owns a PM...period. There is no politically correct sugar coated way to say it. It does not matter how many years of experience, what they think is a wonderful mix, how many uniformed customers they have requesting and waiting for a puppy, or how much they love their business and think they are doing right...it's all the same...a lack of integrity, not humane towards the breeds used and unethical.
:thumbup: It's all about the money to be made regardless of what they might claim.

mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085894)
Where are all these Yorkies coming from that are being cross bred and offspring are being sold as Designer Dogs. Very easy answer, from breeders that don't have their dogs welfare at heart, will sell a dog on open registration to anyone. And all in the name of money.
I think a lot of them were already breeding the parent breeds and then just started adding the mixes. Know someone who was a very respectable shih tzu breeder and started breeding shih-poos and then shorkies because, (her words) her shih tzu's were not selling as well any more and she is now living off only breeding.

I no longer speak to her, but she isn't lazy.. She spends her whole day caring for those dogs and puppies and manages to keep a clean house.

I am not defending the mixing she does and living off them (I am against breeding for profit..period!), only making a point that she isn't anywhere near lazy.

BellaDonna 04-15-2010 06:43 AM
You have to admit we have to thank the BYB'rs of the 1800's for coming up with the Yorkshire Terrier in the first place.
They bred different breeds together coming up with a mutt we now call the Yorkie.
Yorkie Info Center | Origin of the Yorkshire Terrier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Terrier

mommadog1 04-15-2010 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3085897)
The original poster on another thread. That's why this one was started.
Ohhhhh..gotcha.. I don't think I have seen that thread..Or I did and forgot, I have a horrible memory!!:D


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