update on the puppy for my friend

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Yep! Noticed that after I hit submit! Meant to say morkies! Regardless of whether it a parti, biewer, morkie etc. They are cross breeds and not mutts! A mutt is a dog that you cannot determine a breed on! I also was bothered by the fact that breeders who do nothing else wrong but not breed standard yorkies are called unethical. It to me seems that they are all lumped with all the other devil breeders out there and that's not fair! There are pure bred yorkie breeders who breed for the money too which to me is a reason to call a breeder unethical along with ones who treat their dogs like cash cows. There are breeders of all kinds like that! But cross breeders are the only ones who
immediately are slammed for just cross breeding. There is something screwed up and off to me about using that word out of context and in the true meaning of the word! That's
all I was saying! Thanks for helping me to clear up the morkie bit!
Ps. The definition of unethical in webster's dictionary is:
"not morally correct." the adjectives associated with this word are: immoral, unprincipled, unscrupulous, dishonorable, dishonest, wrong, deceitful, unfair, fraudulent, underhanded, wicked, evil, sneaky, corrupt. No where in that list is there a word that cross breeding applies to unless the person is trying to pass off their cross breed as a pure bred!
The definition of a mutt in the dictionary is "a mongrel dog, a long haired mutt of doubtful pedigree!" cross breeds are not doubtful in pedigree

I think what many are trying to say is if you breed the right way, with all the testing etc etc etc, that you pretty much spend a lot more money on the dogs than what you can ultimately sell them for. If you are breeding just to MAKE money, you won't be shelling out extra money for keeping them till 12 weeks, let along all the testing.

As for the breeders who purposely breed cross breeds, they ARE unethical, bc they are doing nothing to better either breed, doing nothing to help the pet overpopulation, and doing nothing for shelters and rescues that are all full already due to them not caring who gets their pups. Seriously if someone purposely WANTS a mixed breed dog, go to the shelters!

However, maryeveret, I do agree with you about the word mutt. I understand it to mean a mixed breed dog from unknown origin. But some people on here use the word mutt and cross or mixed breed interchangably. Just bc you know what two breeds a dog is, it still isn't a purbred, and thus not a breed.

[Cerise]

I'm happy to hear your friends husband used his head. With PayPal they will probably get all of their money back.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I'm happy to hear your friends husband used his head. With PayPal they will probably get all of their money back.

Just wanted to throw this out. I once had a dispute with someone and I paid thru paypal. I won the dispute, but I didn't get 100% of my payment, bc what you are refunded depends on how much is in their other person's account. If they choose not to add more funds to the paypal account, paypal cannot get anymore from them and lock up their account until they pay it. All they have to do is set up another account with a different address and creditcard.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Cerise

A Parti Yorkie and or Biewer is not a mixed breed. Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier and the Biewer is the name the German breeder gave his Yorkshire Terrier line that had different coloring. Of course it's more detailed than this but BOTH are not mixed breeds. A Morkie though loved by many members on YT is a mutt/mongrel no matter how cute they may be, or how you want to sugar coat it, or how many feelings get hurt in calling it that. A mutt or mongrel is a dog with two or more breeds use in the making. No reputable, ethical, responsible Yorkshire Terrier breeder mixes their breed line with another breed...PERIOD! I would say to anyone who wants one, just love your Morkie's and stop being offended by the facts. But trying to convince people of how ethical a BYB breeder who breeds mixed dogs are, is pointless in the world of having integrity.

[maryeverett1]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don't have one nor do I want one. I'm glad to hear that there are those of you who recognize partis and biewers as a breed of yorkie. I was told by someone on YT who will remain nameless that anything but a blue steel and gold yorkie is not a true yorkie and in fact a mutt and anyone who breeds them is unethical. She was basically saying that my dogs are mutts because they aren't blue steel and gold (Paris has a parti dad and a biewer mom) and that my breeder is unethical for breeding them. That's what I take issue with. The word mutt doesn't belong to a parti or biewer and those that breed them and love them properly don't breed the standard yes but aren't unethical just because they breed them either! As far as other ones like morkies go I can understand your point! Just hate it to be applied to yorkies. And find it facinating that she said most of YT felt the way she did concerning biewers and partis. Glad to discovery she was bluffing!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don't have one nor do I want one. I'm glad to hear that there are those of you who recognize partis and biewers as a breed of yorkie. I was told by someone on YT who will remain nameless that anything but a blue steel and gold yorkie is not a true yorkie and in fact a mutt and anyone who breeds them is unethical. She was basically saying that my dogs are mutts because they aren't blue steel and gold (Paris has a parti dad and a biewer mom) and that my breeder is unethical for breeding them. That's what I take issue with. The word mutt doesn't belong to a parti or biewer and those that breed them and love them properly don't breed the standard yes but aren't unethical just because they breed them either! As far as other ones like morkies go I can understand your point! Just hate it to be applied to yorkies. And find it facinating that she said most of YT felt the way she did concerning biewers and partis. Glad to discovery she was bluffing!

I don't know if a dog that has a yorkie parent and a biewer parent are considered mix breed, or not a mix. I did ask that before and was given the response, "it depends on who you ask." I do know that biewers are establishing themselves as their own breed. Confused yet? I am! So my quick response to all that is, their cute and I love seeing pictures of them all.

[maryeverett1]

I am confused as well but glad this lady isn't the majority! I'm fusing out that she isn't the majority on a lot of things! To me it's like saying if you don't have blonde hair and blue eyes you aren't a human being! My yorkies are yorkies through and through and my breeder is amazing and loves the breed! I know down the line this will become a moot point when biewers are recognized and given their day in the spotlight! For now my babies are my babies and I will love them and spoil them until the day they go to doggie heaven! They could be purple and green and they would still be yorkies to me! To the OP of this thread...I apologize for taking the subject in a different direction! I will stop now!! Have a good night!! :-)

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don't have one nor do I want one. I'm glad to hear that there are those of you who recognize partis and biewers as a breed of yorkie. I was told by someone on YT who will remain nameless that anything but a blue steel and gold yorkie is not a true yorkie and in fact a mutt and anyone who breeds them is unethical. She was basically saying that my dogs are mutts because they aren't blue steel and gold (Paris has a parti dad and a biewer mom) and that my breeder is unethical for breeding them. That's what I take issue with. The word mutt doesn't belong to a parti or biewer and those that breed them and love them properly don't breed the standard yes but aren't unethical just because they breed them either! As far as other ones like morkies go I can understand your point! Just hate it to be applied to yorkies. And find it facinating that she said most of YT felt the way she did concerning biewers and partis. Glad to discovery she was bluffing!

I've read the thread you are referring to and I don't think that's what was said at all. I think what she was trying to say (and this is from how I took it) is that if a yorkie isn't steel blue and gold, or doesn't meet standard as the akc states, they should not be bred, NOT that they are mutts and not yorkies. To say that is so ridiculous. The yorkie is a very hard breed to breed correctly, and from what I understand, most of the desired yorkie traits (according to akc standards) are mostly resessive genes. That's why you see SO many yorkies with differing looks.

My Uni is a purebred yorkie, but she has very light grey hair and long legs, among other things that are not to standard. I'm sure this person you are referring to would NOT say Uni is a mutt, but this person would say she is NOT a good candidate for breeding, in which i would agree.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I've read the thread you are referring to and I don't think that's what was said at all. I think what she was trying to say (and this is from how I took it) is that if a yorkie isn't steel blue and gold, or doesn't meet standard as the akc states, they should not be bred, NOT that they are mutts and not yorkies. To say that is so ridiculous. The yorkie is a very hard breed to breed correctly, and from what I understand, most of the desired yorkie traits (according to akc standards) are mostly resessive genes. That's why you see SO many yorkies with differing looks.

My Uni is a purebred yorkie, but she has very light grey hair and long legs, among other things that are not to standard. I'm sure this person you are referring to would NOT say Uni is a mutt, but this person would say she is NOT a good candidate for breeding, in which i would agree.

Your Uni is not light grey, she is what is known is a very light blue. It's what happens when you continue breeding blue to blue. Blue is a diluting gene, therefore, we as breeder/exhibitors always keep a darker dog in our breeding program.

The Standard states a dark steel blue. However, what a judge determines the color is strictly on based their interpretation.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I've read the thread you are referring to and I don't think that's what was said at all. I think what she was trying to say (and this is from how I took it) is that if a yorkie isn't steel blue and gold, or doesn't meet standard as the akc states, they should not be bred, NOT that they are mutts and not yorkies. To say that is so ridiculous. The yorkie is a very hard breed to breed correctly, and from what I understand, most of the desired yorkie traits (according to akc standards) are mostly resessive genes. That's why you see SO many yorkies with differing looks.

My Uni is a purebred yorkie, but she has very light grey hair and long legs, among other things that are not to standard. I'm sure this person you are referring to would NOT say Uni is a mutt, but this person would say she is NOT a good candidate for breeding, in which i would agree.

The Standard is in place as a guideline to follow for those that exhibit/breed. Just because Uni does not meet the standard, doesn't make her less desirable. By the way I love long legs on a yorkie, as a matter of fact other than a dead level topline and great movement....it's one of my criteria. Nothing more gorgeous to watch in the ring than a yorkie in full coat with long legs.....

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I've read the thread you are referring to and I don't think that's what was said at all. I think what she was trying to say (and this is from how I took it) is that if a yorkie isn't steel blue and gold, or doesn't meet standard as the akc states, they should not be bred, NOT that they are mutts and not yorkies. To say that is so ridiculous. The yorkie is a very hard breed to breed correctly, and from what I understand, most of the desired yorkie traits (according to akc standards) are mostly resessive genes. That's why you see SO many yorkies with differing looks.

My Uni is a purebred yorkie, but she has very light grey hair and long legs, among other things that are not to standard. I'm sure this person you are referring to would NOT say Uni is a mutt, but this person would say she is NOT a good candidate for breeding, in which i would agree.

Great post! Actually the light hair that Uni displays is well within standard, the blue can be a dark steal blue or a much lighter shade, females lose the darker tones even if they started out as a darker steal, and I believe that pregnancy can intensify this effect. From what I understand, long legs are desired in the ring, a longer legged Yorkie, can show-off a long coat so much better, just as a long necked human can wear long hair better! I agree with you that the Yorkie is a very hard breed to breed correctly, and I think that's why certain breeders are drawn to it, it presents a challenge! In order to be breed, many people believe that a dog should be an almost perfect representation of the breed, not only in regards to physical attributes, and health, but other things such as personality and attitude, and we all know Uni has the PERFECT yorkie attitude! I only wish breeders would use dogs as cute and smart as Uni!

[capt_noonie]

thank you Mary and Nancy. Well, I guess I'm off to breed Uni then! JK! I do love her long legs, I believe they make her more agile, but her hair won't really grow any longer, and I agree what a lovely sight that would be to have a big square of silky hair. Ah , i can still dream can't i?

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

thank you Mary and Nancy. Well, I guess I'm off to breed Uni then! JK! I do love her long legs, I believe they make her more agile, but her hair won't really grow any longer, and I agree what a lovely sight that would be to have a big square of silky hair. Ah , i can still dream can't i?

You want a darker stud?
Kidding of course, Kaji is neutered.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Your Uni is not light grey, she is what is known is a very light blue. It's what happens when you continue breeding blue to blue. Blue is a diluting gene, therefore, we as breeder/exhibitors always keep a darker dog in our breeding program.
The Standard states a dark steel blue. However, what a judge determines the color is strictly on based their interpretation.

Very interesting, I didn't know this.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

thank you Mary and Nancy. Well, I guess I'm off to breed Uni then! JK! I do love her long legs, I believe they make her more agile, but her hair won't really grow any longer, and I agree what a lovely sight that would be to have a big square of silky hair. Ah , i can still dream can't i?

You crack me up!