Kijiji, Puppymills and Puppy Brokers......my search for a puppy

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Jellybears

I just can't read anymore sad accounts.....I keep thinking of them in the day, and it makes me think of other terrible things that happen to animals, any animals...and when I think of this - I think "it's going on, right now, at this very minute".....

As you say not just puppy mill dogs.....A friend of mine that lives a few blocks over called me last night. She'd been attempting get animal control out all day. Her nieghbor's have a German Shephard puppy tied to a wrought iron fence with a lead....not long enough for it to sit down. It had been crying all day, no water for it to drink. What was worse it had begun to rain early in the evening. She couldn't get animal control to respond.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The Parquins line was spayed/nuetered and placed. However, if memory serves me correctly, Marie Kaufman Cordona/Parkside Yorkshire Terriers carries some of the Parquin line in her pedigrees

Mary, have you ever seen this before?

Yorkshires Of Parquins - Yorkshire Terriers

I ran across this several months ago. It just seems like so much marketing. Is this what an exhibitor would want to see happen with their dogs? It's like they've created a 'brand' from Parquins and are exploiting it.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Mary, have you ever seen this before?

Yorkshires Of Parquins - Yorkshire Terriers

I ran across this several months ago. It just seems like so much marketing. Is this what an exhibitor would want to see happen with their dogs? It's like they've created a 'brand' from Parquins and are exploiting it.

That's my take; another clever form of marketing intended to mislead buyers. I imagine a good breeder would HATE to see this happening to a line she had created.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Mary, have you ever seen this before?

Yorkshires Of Parquins - Yorkshire Terriers

I ran across this several months ago. It just seems like so much marketing. Is this what an exhibitor would want to see happen with their dogs? It's like they've created a 'brand' from Parquins and are exploiting it.

Wow! How sad, unfortunately the man is dead and cannot deny or validate this person's website. I know nothing of the owner of the website....but, in my opinion they are captilizing on a dead man's blood, sweat and tears. Appears to me very much a marketing ploy and what I call pedigree hunter. Using pedigrees to push puppy sales.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That's my take; another clever form of marketing intended to mislead buyers. I imagine a good breeder would HATE to see this happening to a line she had created.

I was shocked to see this. Imagine...you can be the proud owner of a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or even a FULL genuine Parquin's Yorkie! And, step right up breeders and become an official Parquin's breeder!! Expand your business!!

Ugggh.....

Is nothing exempt from exploitation anymore?

[Woogie Man]

At first I was hesitant to post this on this thread....but it does fit right in. After all, this thread is all about exploiting dogs for $$$$.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I was shocked to see this. Imagine...you can be the proud owner of a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or even a FULL genuine Parquin's Yorkie! And, step right up breeders and become an official Parquin's breeder!! Expand your business!!

Ugggh.....

Is nothing exempt from exploitation anymore?

Wonder's never cease to amaze me. I've had several breeders on here PMing me to inform me that they have somehow obtained some of the same lines that I have in my pedigree. Now they obtained them via the backdoor, they only way they could have...because had they gone to the owners of those kennels they'd have never had obtained a puppy for breeding from them. But the reason they were informing me was to attempt to rub my face in it. Believe me these people did use those pedigrees to push puppy sales.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Mary, have you ever seen this before?

Yorkshires Of Parquins - Yorkshire Terriers

I ran across this several months ago. It just seems like so much marketing. Is this what an exhibitor would want to see happen with their dogs? It's like they've created a 'brand' from Parquins and are exploiting it.

That is beyond words! I just looked at the link and it is horrible!

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

At first I was hesitant to post this on this thread....but it does fit right in. After all, this thread is all about exploiting dogs for $$$$.

I started this thread for this exact reason! Scammers are everywhere and I think it is a great idea to talk about all different aspects of how they are lurking everywhere! Thank you

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I started this thread for this exact reason! Scammers are everywhere and I think it is a great idea to talk about all different aspects of how they are lurking everywhere! Thank you

I'm glad to see everyone's getting the same read that I did from that site. I couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw it and was questioning my comprehension.

Mary, do you think things like this are possible largely due to owners of top studs not being selective enough in offering stud services? With this kind of blatant abuse of the lines, is there anything that can be done to better protect against this?

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Mary, have you ever seen this before?

Yorkshires Of Parquins - Yorkshire Terriers

I ran across this several months ago. It just seems like so much marketing. Is this what an exhibitor would want to see happen with their dogs? It's like they've created a 'brand' from Parquins and are exploiting it.

Wow I guess since teacup is out of fashion, they're gonna try Parquin.

[Britster]

I got Jackson from a 'BYB'. I saw him listed in the classifieds (I think it was Maryland super ads) and just fell in love with his face. I had looked at other puppies but there was just something about him. He was in Baltimore City, I picked him up in a row house. It was a younger lady, probably late 20's, early 30's, who was simply making cash off of her dog and now looking back, I feel really bad for contributing to her overpopulating canines. I paid $550 for Jackson.

She had the mommy dog who was in the basement with her 1 female pup left(who had already been paid for), and then she brought up the 2 male dogs (Jackson and another one) and handed me one. Then another woman came at the same time as me with her boyfriend looking to get another one. It was so awkward having to pick... and I was like "um, wanna switch?" just because I didn't know if she wanted to see that puppy or what. Both pups looked and acted almost exactly the same but the 1st one I held was like grabbing onto me for dear life, he was scared, his claws were in my shirt. When I got handed the 2nd pup (Jackson) he was scared too but he wasn't AS scared. He seemed more content in my arms than the other one. So I said I wanted him. "Puppy #1" (she had numbered the inside of their ears with permanent marker, I dunno if that's a normal thing to do or not).

Now she had originally told me that her dog got by pregnant by accident but she clearly knew what she was doing so I'm pretty sure that was a lie. Because she handed me a contract to sign, with a 10 day health guarantee that if the puppy was sick she would replace the pup or refund my money. She gave me a packet of the Eukanuba food he had been eating and a whole packet of paper with info on Yorkies and puppies. He had had his 1st set of shots, he was 9 weeks old at the time, and already weighed 5lbs. But he just seemed so tiny to me.

But overall, I didn't feel terrible about the situation because even tho she was clearly having puppies for profit, she did seem to care about the dogs. She had pics of own Yorkie in a few frames all over her living room and when we went to take the puppy, she started crying and gave the puppies a kiss as we walked out the door. She said her young daughter was going to be upset when she got home from school because she had become so attached to the pups.

The only "problem" Jackson has is being shy with strangers. But it's not a humongous problem or anything. It's something we're always working on and he's getting sooo much better with letting strangers pet him than he ever was before. And if that's his only issue I can deal. I've heard of dogs who come from reputable breeders being like that too so I don't even know if that's an issue that came about from being raised the way he was, I dunno. I have a feeling he didn't see anybody except the woman, her kid and the other puppies from birth-9 weeks. Other than that, Jackson is close to the perfect dog for me. He's a wonderful companion and is perfect for my lifestyle, as I prefer his larger size. So knowing all I know now, if I could rewind time and do it right... I still wouldn't. He's been the greatest dog I could ask for. Now when it comes time to add a 2nd dog, I really would like to go thru rescue.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Jellybears

Thank you for your post. I did read it all - quite the eye opener. I did not even know about 'brokers' before I read your post. Bottom line - how the heck can a person know what they are getting into. I know there are reputable breeders, but I just can't pay $1200 to $2000. That is why I have been looking on line - around the $800 mark. I also know there are some private families that have nice puppies, well looked after, social little beings! I would definitely want to go to them, not the other way around!!! Any thoughts??

Yes, I have a thought to share with you

Wait! Have patience and take the time to SAVE MORE MONEY so you can pay for a Yorkie from a reputable breeder. It will SAVE YOU MORE MONEY in the long haul of owning your future Yorkie baby.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Jellybears

I just can't read anymore sad accounts.....I keep thinking of them in the day, and it makes me think of other terrible things that happen to animals, any animals...and when I think of this - I think "it's going on, right now, at this very minute".....

But you want to contribute to the problem by purchasing a puppy from the internet because you say you can't spend 1200-2000 for a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder...??? IMO that doesn't make any sense.

Then you got upset when someone suggested maybe you should wait and they mentioned the cost is owning a sick and poorly bred Yorkie. If money is not a problem for you, then why not pay for a healthy Yorkie from a reputable breeder.

After talking to many people and reading so many negative comments about reputable breeders fees, I am beginning to realize it's not about what people can afford to pay, it's about the arrogance in thinking they should not HAVE TO pay a reputable breeders asking price, because these people secretly have the mindset that it makes no sense to pay a lot for a... DOG.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Cerise

But you want to contribute to the problem by purchasing a puppy from the internet because you say you can't spend 1200-2000 for a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder...??? IMO that doesn't make any sense.

Then you got upset when someone suggested maybe you should wait and they mentioned the cost is owning a sick and poorly bred Yorkie. If money is not a problem for you, then why not pay for a healthy Yorkie from a reputable breeder.

After talking to many people and reading so many negative comments about reputable breeders fees, I am beginning to realize it's not about what people can afford to pay, it's about the arrogance in thinking they should not HAVE TO pay a reputable breeders asking price, because these people secretly have the mindset that it makes no sense to pay a lot for a... DOG.

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