Good news for the Parti Yorkshire Terrier!!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No it is not. It cheapens what they really are. Yorkshire Terriers. Accepting anything other than that is just settling.

JMO

So I would like to know why you think it cheapens a dog by showing in an NAKC type venue that is more like fun shows and a place to gain experience for your dogs? Its a great way to start a puppy without all the stress.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No they will not. they are listed under exotic breeds. [/B] I do not think it is any great accomplishment for the prarti colored yorkshire terriers to be listed under exotic breeds. They put anything and everything that does not fit anywhere else in the group.

Just another registery that will register anything to make money.[/B]

Sorry ladies, Just my hopnest opinion.

Even though I agree they should have been listed as a color variety of the Yorkshire Terrier, and we will see if we can get them placed correctly. But for right now, I will accept the companion/exotic listing. The NAKC is a reputable show venue and is better then nothing!!

I don't get the hostility here Jeanie. Just because many parti breeders are content with just breeding and selling...doesn't mean we all are. If you want to sit around waiting on the YTCA to allow your dogs to show...that is your right.
I for one am thrilled the parti has a place to compete and show. And this will hopefully lead to other venue's like the UKC accepting the parti.

[Breezeaway]

To me it does not matter what group they are in, they are still called the Parti color Yorkshire terrier, all of these dogs are in the companion group that the Parti is in.
* Affenpinsher
* American Hairless Terrier
* American Lamalese
* Belgian Griffon
* Bichon Frise
* Biewer
* Bolognese
* Boston Terrier
* Brussels Griffon
* Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
* Chihuahua
* Chinese Crested
* Coton de Tul?r
* English Toy Spaniel
* French Bulldog
* Havana Silk Dog
* Havanese
* Japanese Chin
* Kromfohrlder
* Kyi-Leo
* Lhasa Apso
* Lowchen
* Maltese
* Manchester Terrier
* Mi-Ki
* Miniature Pincher
* Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier
* Pappillon
* Pekingese
* Pomeranian
* Poodle
* Pug
* Rat Terrier
* Russian Toy Dog
* Shih Tzu
* Small Brabant Griffon
* Tibetan Spaniel
* Tibetan Terrier
* Toy Fox Terrier
* Russian Tsvetnaya Bolonka

As you can see they are with the maltese,pugs, shih, poms etc. I wouldn't exactly call them Exotic.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No it is not. It cheapens what they really are. Yorkshire Terriers. Accepting anything other than that is just settling.

JMO

Jeanie.. I agree with you on this point and would dearly love to see ALL yorkies of ALL colors be shown together..Traditional colors, Partis, Biewers, Gold Dusts etc.. but that just may not happen right now, many people aren't ready for that YET. I believe it will happen someday.. but to sit around and not show, WAITING for that to happen would be a travesty in my book.

To deprive our dogs of getting the experience of the ring, the evaluations from the qualified judges the NAKC brings in would be criminal. The only way to better the quality of our dogs is to have a standard to strive for.. and to have qualified unbiased people helping us along the way to reach the lofty goals we have set for ourselves and our dogs.

Without bringing our dogs out for inspection, critque and constructive criticism.. how do they improve? We can't just breed and breed and breed and never hope to get better? If you have ever been to an NAKC event, you will see that it is a wonderful place to learn how to show, to spend time with your dogs.. it's less stressful than AKC but runs under very similar rules. The Biewers have shown in this venue for years, as there are very few options open to them as of yet. The growth in the quality of the Biewers is amazing, and I believe that is in large part because of the opportunity we have had to go out and show the dogs, talk to judges, meet other breeders and exchange ideas at these shows. It is an invaluable experience for breeders, the dogs and even the pet owners to learn about their breed.

I just can't imagine anyone who raises Parti's not be over joyed with this news.. It is not full AKC acceptance in the ring.. I get that.. but just because someone can't afford a Lexus doesn't mean they don't drive. A wonderful opportunity has been presented to the Parti's because of this acceptance by the NAKC. One can choose to take advantage of it.. or not. I can tell you that those who's programs choose to grab hold, will be all the better for it.

Diana

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

To me it does not matter what group they are in, they are still called the Parti color Yorkshire terrier, all of these dogs are in the companion group that the Parti is in.
* Affenpinsher
* American Hairless Terrier
* American Lamalese
* Belgian Griffon
* Bichon Frise
* Biewer
* Bolognese
* Boston Terrier
* Brussels Griffon
* Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
* Chihuahua
* Chinese Crested
* Coton de Tul?r
* English Toy Spaniel
* French Bulldog
* Havana Silk Dog
* Havanese
* Japanese Chin
* Kromfohrlder
* Kyi-Leo
* Lhasa Apso
* Lowchen
* Maltese
* Manchester Terrier
* Mi-Ki
* Miniature Pincher
* Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier
* Pappillon
* Pekingese
* Pomeranian
* Poodle
* Pug
* Rat Terrier
* Russian Toy Dog
* Shih Tzu
* Small Brabant Griffon
* Tibetan Spaniel
* Tibetan Terrier
* Toy Fox Terrier
* Russian Tsvetnaya Bolonka

As you can see they are with the maltese,pugs, shih, poms etc. I wouldn't exactly call them Exotic.

I agree..even though I personally would have prefered the parti listed as a color variety of the traditional yorkie...there is noting wrong with it being listed in the companion group.

I would like a better explanation as to how this cheapens the parti?

Does it cheapen the Shih Tzu and the Pug and all the other AKC breeds that show with the NAKC as well? It's a great venue to get our dogs shown and judged. What's wrong with that?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Even though I agree they should have been listed as a color variety of the Yorkshire Terrier, and we will see if we can get them placed correctly. But for right now, I will accept the companion/exotic listing. The NAKC is a reputable show venue and is better then nothing!!

I don't get the hostility here Jeanie. Just because many parti breeders are content with just breeding and selling...doesn't mean we all are. If you want to sit around waiting on the YTCA to allow your dogs to show...that is your right.
I for one am thrilled the parti has a place to compete and show. And this will hopefully lead to other venue's like the UKC accepting the parti.

There is no hostility. I did not say anything hostile. Just expressed my opinion and why I feel that way.

Saying that it is "better than nothing" is just settling IMO.

Were they not already being shown APRI? Or am I wrong on that?

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

They are in the Companion and Exotic group, and yes Partis are companions

The yorkshire terrier being shown in AKC conformation rings are known as the toy group/but are also known as the companion group. So this is a great accomplishment.

Recognized breeds

Main article: American Kennel Club Groups
As of July 2009, the AKC fully recognizes 163 breeds with 12 additional breeds granted partial status in the Miscellaneous class. Another 62 rare breeds can be registered in its Foundation Stock Service.
The AKC divides dog breeds into seven groups, one class, and the Foundation Stock Service, consisting of the following (as of July 2009):
Sporting Group: 28 breeds[16] developed as bird dogs. Includes Pointers, Retrievers, Setters, and Spaniels.
Hound Group: 25 breeds[17] developed to hunt using sight (sighthounds) or scent (scent hounds). Includes Greyhounds and Beagles.
Working Group: 26 large breeds[18] developed for a variety of jobs, including guarding property, guarding livestock, or pulling carts. Includes Siberian Huskies and Bernese Mountain Dogs.
Terrier Group: 27 feisty breeds[19] some of which were developed to hunt vermin and to dig them from their burrows or lairs. Size ranges from the tiny Cairn Terrier to the large Airedale Terrier.
Toy Group: 21 small companion breeds[20] Includes Toy Poodles and Pekineses.
Non-Sporting Group: 17 breeds[21] that do not fit into any of the preceding categories, usually larger than Toy dogs. Includes Bichon Frises and Miniature Poodles.
Herding Group: 22 breeds[22] developed to herd livestock. Includes Rough Collies and Belgian Shepherds.
Best in Showver 150 breeds All Breeds
Miscellaneous Class: 11 breeds[23] that have advanced from FSS but that are not yet fully recognized. After a period of time that ensures that good breeding practices are in effect and that the gene pool for the breed is ample, the breed is moved to one of the seven preceding groups.
Foundation Stock Service (FSS) Program: 62 breeds.[24] This is a breed registry in which breeders of rare breeds can record the birth and parentage of a breed that they are trying to establish in the United States; these dogs provide the foundation stock from which eventually a fully recognized breed might result. These breeds cannot participate in AKC events until at least 150 individual dogs are registered; thereafter, competition in various events is then provisional.
The AKC Board of Directors appointed a committee in October, 2007, to evaluate the current alignment of breeds within the seven variety groups. Reasons for the action included the growing number of breeds in certain groups, and the make-up of breeds within certain groups. The number of groups and group make-up has been modified in the past, providing precedent for this action. The Group Realignment Committee completed their report in July, 2008.
The committee recommended that the seven variety groups be replaced with ten variety groups. If this proposal is approved, the Hound Group would be divided into “Scent Hounds” and “Sight Hounds”; the Sporting Group would be divided into “Sporting Group – Pointers and Setters” and “Sporting Group – Retrievers and Spaniels"; a new group called the “Northern Group” would be created; and the Non-Sporting Group would be renamed the “Companion Group”. The Northern Group would be populated by Northern/Spitz breeds, consisting of the Norwegian Elkhound, Akita, Alaskan Malamute, Siberian Husky, Samoyed, American Eskimo, Chinese Shar-Pei, Chow Chow, Finnish Spitz, Keeshond, Schipperke, Shiba Inu and Swedish Vallhund. In addition, the Italian Greyhound is proposed to be moved to the Sight Hound Group, and the Dalmatian is proposed to be moved to the Working Group. [25]


This is also an education link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Group

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There is no hostility. I did not say anything hostile. Just expressed my opinion and why I feel that way.

Saying that it is "better than nothing" is just settling IMO.

Were they not already being shown APRI? Or am I wrong on that?

I don't know the answer to that one.. I have never been to an APRI show. Why would anyone register their Parti's APRI when they are AKC registered?

Diana

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

To me it does not matter what group they are in, they are still called the Parti color Yorkshire terrier, all of these dogs are in the companion group that the Parti is in.
* Affenpinsher
* American Hairless Terrier
* American Lamalese
* Belgian Griffon
* Bichon Frise
* Biewer
* Bolognese
* Boston Terrier
* Brussels Griffon
* Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
* Chihuahua
* Chinese Crested
* Coton de Tul?r
* English Toy Spaniel
* French Bulldog
* Havana Silk Dog
* Havanese
* Japanese Chin
* Kromfohrlder
* Kyi-Leo
* Lhasa Apso
* Lowchen
* Maltese
* Manchester Terrier
* Mi-Ki
* Miniature Pincher
* Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier
* Pappillon
* Pekingese
* Pomeranian
* Poodle
* Pug
* Rat Terrier
* Russian Toy Dog
* Shih Tzu
* Small Brabant Griffon
* Tibetan Spaniel
* Tibetan Terrier
* Toy Fox Terrier
* Russian Tsvetnaya Bolonka

As you can see they are with the maltese,pugs, shih, poms etc. I wouldn't exactly call them Exotic.

Do any of those breeds already have their own group like the Yorkshire Terrier does? There is already a yorkshire terrier group listed, so why did they need to put them, in this group? Why not at least in the Terrier group where the yorkshire terrier is.

IMO they did it to get the revenue without actually calling them yorkshire terriers.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Couldn't they already be shown APRI?

I don't want to register my dogs with APRI. IMO... that would cheapen my AKC dogs more then showing them with the NAKC?

THe NAKC is not a pet registry. They are a show venue. It is a reputable venue to have your dogs shown and judged.

And as Cindy has already said...this will help the parti breeders validate our breeding programs and show UKC and AKC we are serious.

[puppylove11]

AKC Breeds by Group - Toy Group - link to the info below plus pictures of the toy/companion group for AKC.

AKC Breeds by Group
Toy Group

The diminutive size and winsome expressions of Toy dogs illustrate the main function of this Group: to embody sheer delight. Don't let their tiny stature fool you, though - - many Toys are tough as nails. If you haven't yet experienced the barking of an angry Chihuahua, for example, well, just wait. Toy dogs will always be popular with city dwellers and people without much living space. They make ideal apartment dogs and terrific lap warmers on nippy nights. (Incidentally, small breeds may be found in every Group, not just the Toy Group. We advise everyone to seriously consider getting a small breed, when appropriate, if for no other reason than to minimize some of the problems inherent in canines such as shedding, creating messes and cost of care. And training aside, it's still easier to control a ten-pound dog than it is one ten times that size.)

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I don't know the answer to that one.. I have never been to an APRI show. Why would anyone register their Parti's APRI when they are AKC registered?

Diana

I don't know, I suppose so they could show them. why regtister them NAKC if they are already registered AKC.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I don't know the answer to that one.. I have never been to an APRI show. Why would anyone register their Parti's APRI when they are AKC registered?

Diana

Exactly!!

[Breny]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't know, I suppose so they could show them. why regtister them NAKC if they are already registered AKC.

NAKC is not a registry

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't know, I suppose so they could show them. why regtister them NAKC if they are already registered AKC.

They are not registered with NAKC.. it is only a show venue.. not a registry.

Diana