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Lucky's Mom · 10-12-2005, 07:31 AM

OMG, is that a bulldog puppy w/ your german shepard? It is soooooooooo cute!! I've always wanted a bulldog!!

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 07:38 AM

Yes it is! It is my cousins dog. That was the first time I had seen it. He was such a cutie. And very interested in my dog Mali too. She of course was as gentle as ever with him.

Check out the cuteness...

Lucky's Mom · 10-12-2005, 07:48 AM

OMG!! That is so freakin cute!!!! I want it!!!

crystalsmom · 10-12-2005, 08:48 AM

What a darling picture. They look like they are in love

Frans*lil*Bia* · 10-12-2005, 09:09 AM

I've seen them before and I would never in my right mind use it on my Yorkie. They are way to little and fragile for that. I think they are great for the big massive dogs but not a little dog. Iguess it's also people own preference as well.

Carolina girl · 10-12-2005, 11:53 AM

I have used these on my rottweilers before but I don't know of any yorkie that would require that kind to training.( only on my rottie because he liked to chase cars on walks)

alaskayorkie · 10-12-2005, 12:40 PM

Thanks everyone. I've been stuck on sending out a lot of "lighter," fun threads lately, and it's real nice to see YTers have my back when an important issue comes up. If I was remotely considering it before, I'm not now.

I was amazed that the instructor and everyone in the class seemed to think they are the best thing ever. Of course, Eddie is the only Yorkie.

My only concern is that he does pull on his collar to the point of coughing sometimes, and there are exercises in in Attention class where they deliberately want us to give the dogs some pressure on the collar. I want to make sure a buckle collar is not bad for him, too.

Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction.

What to do, what to do?

YorkieMa&Pa, you crack me up. First, you were head of security, now you're Eddie's official spokesperson? Are you trying to run ME out of the club? I think I liked you better when you were a harmless stalker.

schatzie · 10-12-2005, 12:46 PM

I have two hanging in the garage now. We had them used on our Husky's before they were stolen many years ago.

They are not cruel. The collars are not sharp and spiky, they have blunt edges and it aids in the larger dogs pulling.

By all means, these types of collars are not for toy breed little dogs.

I would never in my life consider using one of these on Schatzie.

schatzie · 10-12-2005, 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=alaskayorkie]

Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction.

So....what do the instructors feel about the Yorkie's having trachea damage due to these collars around their neck giving them "immediate correction"???

I just don't understand why a harness would jeapordize any such training but I am by far no expert in this field. I just find it mind boggleing.

ingallsra · 10-13-2005, 01:00 AM

My yorkie went through a ten week obedience program with a chain collar, and he does not have trachea damage--but he did learn to mind.
Trachea damage is much more likely to happen when the collars aren't used correctly.
The point of snapping the collar and releasing is that it engages a nerve and gets the dog's attention. A harness won't accomplish this.
I've also seen the other type of collar used with great success on large breeds. I wish people would make judgements based on information rather than what something looks like.
And remember, many of the instructors in obedience classes have had years upon years of experience--they love dogs just as much as we do.

eensor · 10-13-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

I really dislike when people differentiate between what can be abusive/cruel to a big dog and what can be abusive/cruel to a small dog. What you wouldn't do/give to a small dog, you shouldn't do/give to a big dog! botom line.

Hi Kristy, my friend! I have to disagree with you on this one! Whereas I would NEVER put one on a Yorkie, the prong collars don't phase my big dogs! There is more fur on the necks for one thing, and the other is they are so much more muscular in that area. I too thought they were cruel until I researched them and talke to the "dogtor" about them. They do look like something out of a medieval torture chamber though!!!!!

Hickey007 · 10-13-2005, 06:56 AM

I use a harness type thing on my big dogs to get them to quit pulling. They step into it and the leash attaches to the part that goes under their legs and when they pull it puts pressure on those muscles right there in their arm pit area. It has worked wonders for me with our three big dogs they stopped pulling the first time out. It does, like the prong collar, cause discomfort though. Its not going to kill the dog they just stop pulling because they don't want to feel it and I guess tugging on any collar is going to cause some sort of discomfort.

I don't know if it will help you with what you are needing it for, its more for walking but I guess if you tug on it while he is sitting or what not you would get his attention. Well anyway I'll try to find a link to one like mine then I'll post it if I do and you can check it out if you like.

Hickey007 · 10-13-2005, 07:13 AM

I've never used the prong type collars so I'm not saying this is better I just thought that it may be something to loook into for you since it doesn't put any pressure on the neck.

I think this one is like mine. It looks like it from the front and sounds like it. I just can't tell how the back is so I'm not positive. On mine the loops that go under the legs both come up in teh back and go through a loop then they have a ring attached to the end of them that you attach the leash to. This way when the dog pulls it tightens the loops under the legs(that's the important part, the tightening of the loops).

http://www.dog.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=320404+2S+BLK&Cat=

Ilovebaby · 10-13-2005, 08:10 AM

I personally have seen these in use, and it is sad. My boyfriend's borther had a Weimeraner (spelling) andhe wouldn't even act the same with it on. He lost his personality and just sat there. It actually pinched his neck, now I pesonally would not pinch my dog, so why use a collar that is going to do the same thing. This is jsut my opinion, but they seem awfully cruel to me.

apaprikao · 10-13-2005, 08:45 AM

I don't post on here that often, but I agree with foxontherun613. I use a prong collar on my big dog because nothing else worked with her. 4 years of obedience training with many different trainers and she still pulled like a maniac on her leash. Finally one of my trainers suggested the prong collar and I said no way because it looked cruel. I had heard about that study that said choke chains were less humane than prongs, but still the appearance of them scared me. But, she convinced me to take one walk with it on. What did I have to lose? So, I took ONE walk with it on and the same dog who had dragged me down the street 5 minutes ago was now a perfect angel and not pulling one bit. I was amazed. I even put it on my forearm and it doesn't hurt! It's uncomfortable but it doesn't hurt. It works I would use it on big dogs but with little dogs I wouldn't. I use a harness with Rika. I disagree with StewiesMom though. There are things big dogs can handle that little dogs can not. Every dog is different and needs to be treated differently. Regardless of size no two dogs should be treated the same.

10-12-2005, 07:38 AM	#17
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	Yes it is! It is my cousins dog. That was the first time I had seen it. He was such a cutie. And very interested in my dog Mali too. She of course was as gentle as ever with him. Check out the cuteness... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD

10-12-2005, 08:48 AM	#19
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	Beautiful What a darling picture. They look like they are in love __________________

10-12-2005, 09:09 AM	#20
FranslilBia* Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hayward, Ca Posts: 118	I've seen them before and I would never in my right mind use it on my Yorkie. They are way to little and fragile for that. I think they are great for the big massive dogs but not a little dog. Iguess it's also people own preference as well. __________________ I love my babies Bia & Bella http://www.dogster.com/?187885 Bia http://www.dogster.com/?198950 Bella

10-12-2005, 11:53 AM	#21
Carolina girl YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aiken, South Carolina Posts: 320	I have used these on my rottweilers before but I don't know of any yorkie that would require that kind to training.( only on my rottie because he liked to chase cars on walks) __________________ Love is... when your puppy licks your face even though you left him alone all day! Izzabella and Cindy

10-12-2005, 12:40 PM	#22
alaskayorkie Banning Thread Dictator Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anchorage Posts: 30,843 Blog Entries: 57	Thanks everyone. I've been stuck on sending out a lot of "lighter," fun threads lately, and it's real nice to see YTers have my back when an important issue comes up. If I was remotely considering it before, I'm not now. I was amazed that the instructor and everyone in the class seemed to think they are the best thing ever. Of course, Eddie is the only Yorkie. My only concern is that he does pull on his collar to the point of coughing sometimes, and there are exercises in in Attention class where they deliberately want us to give the dogs some pressure on the collar. I want to make sure a buckle collar is not bad for him, too. Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction. What to do, what to do? YorkieMa&Pa, you crack me up. First, you were head of security, now you're Eddie's official spokesperson? Are you trying to run ME out of the club? I think I liked you better when you were a harmless stalker. __________________ Mike ~ Doting Dad to Jillie, Harper, Molly, Cooper, Eddie (RIP), Lucy (RIP), Rusty (RIP) and Jack (RIP). Check us out on YouTube

10-12-2005, 07:31 AM	#16
Lucky's Mom And Lucy Too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,481	OMG, is that a bulldog puppy w/ your german shepard? It is soooooooooo cute!! I've always wanted a bulldog!!

10-12-2005, 07:48 AM	#18
Lucky's Mom And Lucy Too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,481	OMG!! That is so freakin cute!!!! I want it!!!

10-12-2005, 12:46 PM	#23
schatzie *Moderator Emeritus* Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tontitown Arkansas Posts: 4,909	I have two hanging in the garage now. We had them used on our Husky's before they were stolen many years ago. They are not cruel. The collars are not sharp and spiky, they have blunt edges and it aids in the larger dogs pulling. By all means, these types of collars are not for toy breed little dogs. I would never in my life consider using one of these on Schatzie. __________________ ~~~~ Schatzie and Ransom ~~~~

10-12-2005, 12:52 PM	#24
schatzie *Moderator Emeritus* Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tontitown Arkansas Posts: 4,909	[QUOTE=alaskayorkie] Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction. So....what do the instructors feel about the Yorkie's having trachea damage due to these collars around their neck giving them "immediate correction"??? I just don't understand why a harness would jeapordize any such training but I am by far no expert in this field. I just find it mind boggleing. __________________ ~~~~ Schatzie and Ransom ~~~~

10-13-2005, 01:00 AM	#25
ingallsra YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 367	My yorkie went through a ten week obedience program with a chain collar, and he does not have trachea damage--but he did learn to mind. Trachea damage is much more likely to happen when the collars aren't used correctly. The point of snapping the collar and releasing is that it engages a nerve and gets the dog's attention. A harness won't accomplish this. I've also seen the other type of collar used with great success on large breeds. I wish people would make judgements based on information rather than what something looks like. And remember, many of the instructors in obedience classes have had years upon years of experience--they love dogs just as much as we do.

10-13-2005, 06:56 AM	#27
Hickey007 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 789	I use a harness type thing on my big dogs to get them to quit pulling. They step into it and the leash attaches to the part that goes under their legs and when they pull it puts pressure on those muscles right there in their arm pit area. It has worked wonders for me with our three big dogs they stopped pulling the first time out. It does, like the prong collar, cause discomfort though. Its not going to kill the dog they just stop pulling because they don't want to feel it and I guess tugging on any collar is going to cause some sort of discomfort. I don't know if it will help you with what you are needing it for, its more for walking but I guess if you tug on it while he is sitting or what not you would get his attention. Well anyway I'll try to find a link to one like mine then I'll post it if I do and you can check it out if you like. __________________ Courtney

10-13-2005, 07:13 AM	#28
Hickey007 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 789	I've never used the prong type collars so I'm not saying this is better I just thought that it may be something to loook into for you since it doesn't put any pressure on the neck. I think this one is like mine. It looks like it from the front and sounds like it. I just can't tell how the back is so I'm not positive. On mine the loops that go under the legs both come up in teh back and go through a loop then they have a ring attached to the end of them that you attach the leash to. This way when the dog pulls it tightens the loops under the legs(that's the important part, the tightening of the loops). http://www.dog.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=320404+2S+BLK&Cat= __________________ Courtney

10-13-2005, 08:10 AM	#29
Ilovebaby I love my Monster! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 1,137	I personally have seen these in use, and it is sad. My boyfriend's borther had a Weimeraner (spelling) andhe wouldn't even act the same with it on. He lost his personality and just sat there. It actually pinched his neck, now I pesonally would not pinch my dog, so why use a collar that is going to do the same thing. This is jsut my opinion, but they seem awfully cruel to me. __________________ Mindy & Baby Baby's Dogster Page ****** Baby pics and Videos & More Baby pics

10-13-2005, 08:45 AM	#30
apaprikao Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Unionville, CT Posts: 243	I don't post on here that often, but I agree with foxontherun613. I use a prong collar on my big dog because nothing else worked with her. 4 years of obedience training with many different trainers and she still pulled like a maniac on her leash. Finally one of my trainers suggested the prong collar and I said no way because it looked cruel. I had heard about that study that said choke chains were less humane than prongs, but still the appearance of them scared me. But, she convinced me to take one walk with it on. What did I have to lose? So, I took ONE walk with it on and the same dog who had dragged me down the street 5 minutes ago was now a perfect angel and not pulling one bit. I was amazed. I even put it on my forearm and it doesn't hurt! It's uncomfortable but it doesn't hurt. It works I would use it on big dogs but with little dogs I wouldn't. I use a harness with Rika. I disagree with StewiesMom though. There are things big dogs can handle that little dogs can not. Every dog is different and needs to be treated differently. Regardless of size no two dogs should be treated the same. __________________ Anjie & Paprika