Purse Puppies?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes, that's why they have to be very careful who they let in, there's always some snake that manages to fool everyone.

I'm a little disappointed that some of Yorkietalk breeders seem to be defending breeders who use terminology such as "teacups" and "purse puppies". Like I said earlier, the purpose of this thread was to educate people, especially young women that yorkies are a very active breed, and they will not be content to live happily in your purse or under your dorm bed.

Well before you add me to that group Nancy, I was telling you why some do it, I have never use the term or will. I think thats what everyone is was trying to help you figure out also, I wasn't defending them.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There have been other show/hobby exhibitor breeders that have fallen from grace.

It would be interesting to know the percentage of hobby exhibitor breeders that have been unethical, compared to the percentage of hobby non-exhibitor breeders who have been unethical.

My guess is, it would be the same. The YTCA can preach ethices, but they can not force them. If one is unethical, joining a club is not going to change them. And if one IS ethical, the lack of a club is not going to change that.

I am going to make some changes to the CYTC website to include advertising eithics. However I do not believe it is going to change how the various members conduct their business.

Not true...read their Constitution & By-Laws...they can be kicked out. Unless you have these (constitution/bylaws) in place then I think you have to be careful with the wording of "club". Otherwise I think you are a group of breeders with the same interests...that is fine but I can quarantee that the members of any of the AKC dog clubs spent a great deal of time on their constitution & bylaws...They have a board of directors to review conflicts and complaints from other members. No one single person can make any changes to their rules..they have to be voted on.

Frankly, I don't get as uptight about advertising as I do the breeders contracts...that really tells the story about who is an ethical breeder to me. I don't care if they are show breeders, hobby breeders (I hate that name by the way) or a byb....

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well before you add me to that group Nancy, I was telling you why some do it, I have never use the term or will. I think thats what everyone is was trying to help you figure out also, I wasn't defending them.

Well good! I think all breeders can help other breeders to strive to be better. Just as all pet owners can help other pet owners strive to be better.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Well good! I think all breeders can help other breeders to strive to be better. Just as all pet owners can help other pet owners strive to be better.

I do too, but I don't like the fact of being put in a catagory just because I respond or make a comment. You really need to read the threads and what I and others said before you make a judgement and post it that we are defending people, none of us "breeders" were defending just stating why this happens.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by peanut

I do too, but I don't like the fact of being put in a catagory just because I respond or make a comment. You really need to read the threads and what I and others said before you make a judgement and post it that we are defending people, none of us "breeders" were just stating why this happens.

How did I put you in a "category", all I said was that:

I'm a little disappointed that some of Yorkietalk breeders seem to be defending breeders who use terminology such as "teacups" and "purse puppies".

I very seldom make judgments about particular breeders. My advice is to stay away from breeders who use the words, "teacups and purse puppies."

[peanut]

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I'm a little disappointed that some of Yorkietalk breeders seem to be defending breeders who use terminology such as "teacups" and "purse puppies". QUOTE]

Well since I was one of the "YT breeders" that did post in the thread, your comment was taken as putting me in the catagory as defending them, why in the world would you put that in this thread, if thats not what you were saying?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well since I was one of the "YT breeders" that did post in the thread, your comment was taken as putting me in the catagory as defending them, why in the world would you put that in this thread, if thats not what you were saying?

Some of the posts did seem to me to be defending breeders who used the term. I believed one person said something about

They are not computer people and just don't know any better.

If the word teacup is the only red flag I just say call and talk to them if the pups look nice and they are resonably price . .

think the same thing about the word teapot but that is acceptabe. There is no such thing as a teapot but since they are lower priced that is alright.

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It's no different than advertising one as being champione sired. A very big marketing term used by show breeders

Your own posts seem to excuse it because you said

I don't think Melissa meant it that way Nancy, she lives in a rural area where there are good breeders and there are byb that don't have computers or don't know not to use the term "teacup", apparently they aren't on YT. Yes byb use the term for money, but some older breeders don't know better and use it as a comparison to what they have. Just like baby doll face or teapot or ugly or beautiful, its a descriptive term.
I don't use the term, cause I know better but lets face it some people are educated like we are.

You seem to be excusing it because they are not educated, I'm saying lets educate people! I would never recommend a breeder to someone who used the excuse, "I'm not educated in the breed." Furthermore I'm talking about breeders who use the terms on their websites.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes, that's why they have to be very careful who they let in, there's always some snake that manages to fool everyone.

I'm a little disappointed that some of Yorkietalk breeders seem to be defending breeders who use terminology such as "teacups" and "purse puppies". Like I said earlier, the purpose of this thread was to educate people, especially young women that yorkies are a very active breed, and they will not be content to live happily in your purse or under your dorm bed.

I do not condone using that terminology if one is educated to the issues. However I can understand where some older breeders see it as a descritive term rather than a marketing gimmic. To them it just means small.

They sdo not have webswite, they have probably never even seen a website.

I perosnally will not use the terms, and I intend to put some ethical selling guidlines on the Colorful Yorksire Terrier Website.

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Some of the posts did seem to me to be defending breeders who used the term. I believed one person said something about




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Your own posts seem to excuse it because you said



You seem to be excusing it because they are not educated, I'm saying lets educate people! I would never recommend a breeder to someone who used the excuse, "I'm not educated in the breed." Furthermore I'm talking about breeders who use the terms on their websites.

I guess this is directed to me. I don't use the terms but I do know some older good breeders that do.

I don't really care if your disappointed in me or not.. it is a freaking word

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not condone using that terminology if one is educated to the issues. However I can understand where some older breeders see it as a descritive term rather than a marketing gimmic. To them it just means small.

They sdo not have webswite, they have probably never even seen a website.

I perosnally will not use the terms, and I intend to put some ethical selling guidlines on the Colorful Yorksire Terrier Website.

I guess my point is we need to support breeders who are educated in breeding, and I applaud you for putting ethical selling guidelines on your website.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Some of the posts did seem to me to be defending breeders who used the term. I believed one person said something about




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Your own posts seem to excuse it because you said



You seem to be excusing it because they are not educated, I'm saying lets educate people! I would never recommend a breeder to someone who used the excuse, "I'm not educated in the breed." Furthermore I'm talking about breeders who use the terms on their websites.

I am not excusing it, its why they do it Nancy, they either don't know better or they just don't care. Some people have never been on YT or YTCA site which is sad. How many new people get on here an ask about a "teacup" yorkie, and once someone explains to them why there isn't one, they never use that phrase again. They have been educated.
I don't have to defend myself, or my breeding pratices to you. I know what I am and I not how I test and breed. I don't use the word and I know Melissa doesn't either. She was talking about breeders she has heard about in West Virginia.
As far as education, you bet everytime I get a call asking about a "teacup" yorkie I explain and try to educate them about not being such a thing.

[livingdustmops]

January 28, 2010
If a dog is a "tea cup" than what makes him smaller?
I'm just curious why a teacup is so much more expensive if its just an improperly bred dog. ie- teacup chihuahua or teacup poodle. What makes them smaller?

"teacup" means scam label to sell the dog for a higher price

some of them are smaller and have health issues because of the irresponsible breeding practices used to achieve those small sizes

some of them are still a NORMAL weight range! But because they come from irresponsible breeders they are still at risk for health issues

some of them are LARGER than breed standard. Why? Because, there's no such thing as a "teacup" dog to begin with.. its merely a LABEL used to market the dog for a higher price tag. Bad breeders sometimes use larger dogs to avoid costs of cecarians, and just simply label the pups as "teacup".

They cost more because the breeder charges more. People are dumb enough to think that they are getting something special or extra tiny, and they are willing to pay those high price tags.

Its all a marketing scam.

how smaller dogs are achieved
breeding a small dog to a small dog.. dogs to breed are chosen based on their size tho, no regard to health or temperment

poor nutrition during pregnancy/ nursing.. the pups are basically starved to a smaller size

early cecarians so pups are delivered early.. premature puppies are smaller.. NO reputable vet will do this.

does any of this sound like it will yield healthy puppies?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

I guess this is directed to me. I don't use the terms but I do know some older good breeders that do.

I don't really care if your disappointed in me or not.. it is a freaking word

And I'm warning puppy buyers:

BEWARE OF BREEDERS WHO USE THE TERMS "PURSE PUPPIES" OR "TEACUPS"!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Not true...read their Constitution & By-Laws...they can be kicked out. Unless you have these (constitution/bylaws) in place then I think you have to be careful with the wording of "club". Otherwise I think you are a group of breeders with the same interests...that is fine but I can quarantee that the members of any of the AKC dog clubs spent a great deal of time on their constitution & bylaws...They have a board of directors to review conflicts and complaints from other members. No one single person can make any changes to their rules..they have to be voted on.

Frankly, I don't get as uptight about advertising as I do the breeders contracts...that really tells the story about who is an ethical breeder to me. I don't care if they are show breeders, hobby breeders (I hate that name by the way) or a byb....

It is interesting that you say they can be kicked out, because in another thread when I mentioned that, years ago show exhibitor hobby??????? (I don't know what you want me to call them) breeders, would destroy parti puppies for fear of being kicked out of the YTCA, I was told that was ridiculous to think that YTCA members would fear being kicked out. of course these people were arguing that parti pups were not showing up in champion litters. Which we now know that they most definitely were.


There is so much misinformation on this forum, it is very difficult for a new member to know what to believe.

Most of the misinformation is given in the heat of an argument when everyone is in attack mode and they will say anything to bring down their prey.

I cannot tell you how many times I have been attacked for some comment I have made and then later in another thread, see those same attackers on the other side of the fence.

You have always been a voice of reason, not taking any side, for the sake of peer approval. I respect your comments and advice.

OK so you don't like the term hobby breeders, non exhibitor breeders? where do we fit. Surly there has to be a better term than BYb to describe someone who tries to breed ethically but chooses not to show.

[debelm2]

If wording is SO important, who came up with the phrase "TOY GROUP"? Wouldn't that be offenssive or give the wrong impression too? Just wondering.