Purse Puppies?

[Britster]

But why can't the smaller ones be sold for LESS so you don't have to "discount" the larger ones? Why do you HAVE to sell the smaller ones at $1500? I just don't understand why they can't all be equal.

I'm seriously just asking because most breeders I see on here state they are not doing this for the money... yet charging $1500 for puppies that they know are going to be under 5lbs and giving discounts to ones they know will not?

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I'm sorry, I still see it as a way to market puppies. I believe the comment included that the breeders would have to give certain puppies away in this economy if they didn't distinguish the smaller ones. So to me, that says they are selling puppies at different prices based on size.
I know a lot of breeders do that and I don't like that either.
I'm always reading on YT about the potential health risks with the smaller Yorkies, but yet so many breeders charge more for the smaller ones. So therefore it makes buyers feel they are more valuable.
My basic point is if breeders bred and sold Yorkies to be within the standard of 4-7lbs, there wouldn't be any reason in pointing out their size over and over.
My idea of the betterment of the breed is inline with what Nancy posted.
I think we have learned this week that it's not just BYBs, but also show breeders that can fall out of line with this!

Most breeders do sell puppies according to size, color and sex. My boys and girls are still yorkies but I have to sell the males cheaper. It is life. Does that mean my girls are overpriced... no I think my boys are underpriced.

To think someone is profiting off 500 a pup is crazy! That would not even cover my vet cost.

Buyers want TEACUPS..buyers use this term more than breeders

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I totally agree with that, the problem is, the phrase "betterment of the breed" for some show breeders, is nothing more than a justification to breed dogs. For SOME, it has nothing to do with health, or even for the love of the dogs. FOR SOME, it is all about winning even if they have to cheat to do it.

FOR SOME BREED CLUBS, it is not even about bettering the breed, it is breeding to meet some "standard" that is actually proven to be detrimental to the entire breed.

As I've stated before, the term "show breeder" means nothing. A backyard breeder could show, anyone can show, this means very little. I always recommend that people look for breeders who are members of the YTCA or at least follow the guidelines of the mother club. Some breed clubs have changed standard to match popular trends and this has often shown to be detrimental to the breed. The YTCA doesn't change the standard often, and are often criticized for not being trendy enough. However, until the health effects of certain traits are known, standard should be slow to change.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Most breeders do sell puppies according to size, color and sex. My boys and girls are still yorkies but I have to sell the males cheaper. It is life. Does that mean my girls are overpriced... no I think my boys are underpriced.

To think someone is profiting off 500 a pup is crazy! That would not even cover my vet cost.

Buyers want TEACUPS..buyers use this term more than breeders

Just because MOST breeders do it, it doesn't make it right!

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Just because MOST breeders do it, it doesn't make it right!

Doesn't it make it right I want a Cadillac for the price of a chevy

[WV~Yorkies]

How is a fair priced determined?

My next add will be dog forsale for whatever you think is fair. I don't want to be to descriptive I might offend someone.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Britster

But why can't the smaller ones be sold for LESS so you don't have to "discount" the larger ones? Why do you HAVE to sell the smaller ones at $1500? I just don't understand why they can't all be equal.

I'm seriously just asking because most breeders I see on here state they are not doing this for the money... yet charging $1500 for puppies that they know are going to be under 5lbs and giving discounts to ones they know will not?

Now how much sense would that make?

It's not so much making a profit as it is cutting your losses. I've been breeding for close to 3 years and have yet to break even. I have yet to have a small one to sell. I had one small one, but had him sold, not delivered, before I knew he was going to be small.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

As I've stated before, the term "show breeder" means nothing. A backyard breeder could show, anyone can show, this means very little. I always recommend that people look for breeders who are members of the YTCA or at least follow the guidelines of the mother club. Some breed clubs have changed standard to match popular trends and this has often shown to be detrimental to the breed. The YTCA doesn't change the standard often, and are often criticized for not being trendy enough. However, until the health effects of certain traits are known, standard should be slow to change.

Yes Nancy, these are your feelings and your beliefs, however it is not what everyone believes. Show breeders have managed to set them selves above non-show breeders, and they have done that be using "betterment of the breed" to justify their breeding.

I believe that most show breeders are ethical and would not show or breed a dog with health issues, just as I believe that most of us so called byb's who are actually "hobby breeders", are ethical and would not breed dogs with health issues.

Hobby breeders are like anyone else with a hobby, we strive to get better and better, we do it because we take pride in improving our puppies. We sell them because we cannot keep them all.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Just because MOST breeders do it, it doesn't make it right!

Does a show breeder sell a show prospect for more money than they sell a pet quality? Or do they sell them all at the same price? Do they charge more for Females than they do for males? Do they charge more for breeding rights?

[MorkieMomii]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes Nancy, these are your feelings and your beliefs, however it is not what everyone believes. Show breeders have managed to set them selves above non-show breeders, and they have done that be using "betterment of the breed" to justify their breeding.

I believe that most show breeders are ethical and would not show or breed a dog with health issues, just as I believe that most of us so called byb's who are actually "hobby breeders", are ethical and would not breed dogs with health issues.

Hobby breeders are like anyone else with a hobby, we strive to get better and better, we do it because we take pride in improving our puppies. We sell them because we cannot keep them all.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

How is a fair priced determined?

My next add will be dog forsale for whatever you think is fair. I don't want to be to descriptive I might offend someone.

How about "ordinary yorkie for sale, make offer"

Probably shouldn't call it a yorkie either that would make it seem more valuable than a lab.

Maybe just set them out in the Walmart parking lot with a sign
"Free dogs, take one".

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I'm sorry, I still see it as a way to market puppies. I believe the comment included that the breeders would have to give certain puppies away in this economy if they didn't distinguish the smaller ones. So to me, that says they are selling puppies at different prices based on size.
I know a lot of breeders do that and I don't like that either.
I'm always reading on YT about the potential health risks with the smaller Yorkies, but yet so many breeders charge more for the smaller ones. So therefore it makes buyers feel they are more valuable.
My basic point is if breeders bred and sold Yorkies to be within the standard of 4-7lbs, there wouldn't be any reason in pointing out their size over and over.
My idea of the betterment of the breed is inline with what Nancy posted.
I think we have learned this week that it's not just BYBs, but also show breeders that can fall out of line with this!

This line here kind of bugged me as I think the breeder that fell out of line this week was more of the type that Nancy1999 posts about below. Not a YTCA show breeder that would never do the things this breeder has done. I just wanted to add this so people know that not all show breeders have such bad ethics.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

As I've stated before, the term "show breeder" means nothing. A backyard breeder could show, anyone can show, this means very little. I always recommend that people look for breeders who are members of the YTCA or at least follow the guidelines of the mother club. Some breed clubs have changed standard to match popular trends and this has often shown to be detrimental to the breed. The YTCA doesn't change the standard often, and are often criticized for not being trendy enough. However, until the health effects of certain traits are known, standard should be slow to change.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breeze

This line here kind of bugged me as I think the breeder that fell out of line this week was more of the type that Nancy1999 posts about below. Not a YTCA show breeder that would never do the things this breeder has done. I just wanted to add this so people know that not all show breeders have such bad ethics.

Yes and most YTCA members do not call themselves "show breeders", they say they are hobby breeder/exhibitors who are YTCA members. There is a subtle difference in terminology that some people will understand.

Their "Code of Ethics" states that they: shall not use terms such as "teacup", "tiny specialists", "doll faced", or similar terminology in their advertising. I think all breeder should strive to meet the standards given by the mother club. They should at least know about them! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

[JeanieK]

There have been other show/hobby exhibitor breeders that have fallen from grace.

It would be interesting to know the percentage of hobby exhibitor breeders that have been unethical, compared to the percentage of hobby non-exhibitor breeders who have been unethical.

My guess is, it would be the same. The YTCA can preach ethices, but they can not force them. If one is unethical, joining a club is not going to change them. And if one IS ethical, the lack of a club is not going to change that.

I am going to make some changes to the CYTC website to include advertising eithics. However I do not believe it is going to change how the various members conduct their business.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There have been other show/hobby exhibitor breeders that have fallen from grace.

It would be interesting to know the percentage of hobby exhibitor breeders that have been unethical, compared to the percentage of hobby non-exhibitor breeders who have been unethical.

My guess is, it would be the same. The YTCA can preach ethices, but they can not force them. If one is unethical, joining a club is not going to change them. And if one IS ethical, the lack of a club is not going to change that.

I am going to make some changes to the CYTC website to include advertising eithics. However I do not believe it is going to change how the various members conduct their business.

Yes, that's why they have to be very careful who they let in, there's always some snake that manages to fool everyone.

I'm a little disappointed that some of Yorkietalk breeders seem to be defending breeders who use terminology such as "teacups" and "purse puppies". Like I said earlier, the purpose of this thread was to educate people, especially young women that yorkies are a very active breed, and they will not be content to live happily in your purse or under your dorm bed.