AKC vs CKC: What is the difference

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Dame

Registry doesn't really mean much of anything if you aren't interested in showing... however I have found that in many instances unethical breeders often use breed registries as a stepping stone for making themselves sound more legitimate. Unfortunately I think the CKC has suffered because of this with their guidelines.

To register a dog with no current registries:
CKC: requires two signatures that certify the dog fits the breed standard along with photos for any dog that's not already registered.

AKC: requires that the dog already be listed in an acceptable registry in the US (like the National Greyhound Association or North American Sheep Dog Society for example) and then you have to along the pedigree from that registry along with photographs.

None of this means you get a better dog... with the AKC you're just getting a dog with papers from a club that cares a lot more about qualifications so to speak. Ideally I would love to see some registry come about that focuses on health and genetic testing - but there will always be ways for people to get around things if they are really set on it.

Neither really assure you anything. The CKC has been tainted by the fact that it is very easy for your average BYB to register their dogs there, and the CKC registry makes them sound that much more legit. There are most definetely some decent CKC breeders out there. IMO I think how the breeder advertises their registry listing matters so much more. Someone who focuses so much more on just the registry versus the health and line of the dog is much more likely to be someone riding on a registry without focusing on the traits that matter.

Registries are really... just pieces of paper. Its the health of the dog and the conditions that mean so much more... registries don't insure those things, but from a personal perspective - I've found that individuals who focus on where their line came from with certainly (so they have the ability to follow the various genetic issues) tend to have happier and healthier dogs.

I tend to disagree with you that a Registry doesn't mean anything if you aren't interested in showing. The AKC is very much involved in Kennel inspection.....They do have on ongoing Suspension List. And yes, they are actively involved with Health Testing and working on Research........They are also actively involved in Pet Legislation. Canine Responsible Ownership, etc.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I tend to disagree with you that a Registry doesn't mean anything if you aren't interested in showing. The AKC is very much involved in Kennel inspection.....They do have on ongoing Suspension List. And yes, they are actively involved with Health Testing and working on Research........They are also actively involved in Pet Legislation. Canine Responsible Ownership, etc.

Mardelin, I never said it doesn't mean anything. I said it didn't mean much. HUGE difference there.

We aren't talking about the various add-on that any caring dog organization does, we're talking about what the concept of what a registry certificate is worth. I am not arguing if the AKC does or doesn't do anything or more then the CKC does for animals. I do however believe that you cannot simply take the simple idea of a printed slip of paper and assume that it means that any animal is healthy, free from genetic defects or come from decent living conditions. You cannot simply say, "AKC registered, that means they're a great breeder and a good choice. Done." That is what I mean when I say that a registry doesn't mean very much if you aren't interested in showing or breeding. That registry doesn't insure that your dog comes from a clean home, one that involves the necessary testing, or that your dog is free from issues. It is up to the person as the potential owner to seek out this information as much as possible. While I can certainly say that the percentage of good breeders who are AKC registered is much higher then those who have no affiliation at all - it is far far from a fail safe. After the fact, they can certainly investigate and take action! Time however can't be turned back time and there is no magical fix any situation that existed before they took action. They certainly aren't going to pay for medical issues resulting from it either.

There are a lot of AKC kennels out there that have dogs in horrid conditions, and we both know that no organization is perfect and everything is only as good as the people who serve it. I've recently just gone through this myself both with the AKC and local animal control over kennel conditions and animal neglect. I do know of their commitment, but I have also seen it fail. Nothing in life is fail safe, and AKC registration is no substitute for personal research. That is my meaning when I say that any registration doesn't mean much. The AKC is a lovely organization, but a paper registration in itself can easily be.. just a paper registration. AKC registration and approved kennel visits do not necessarily make a good breeder nor a healthy dog.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Dame

Mardelin, I never said it doesn't mean anything. I said it didn't mean much. HUGE difference there.

We aren't talking about the various add-on that any caring dog organization does, we're talking about what the concept of what a registry certificate is worth. I am not arguing if the AKC does or doesn't do anything or more then the CKC does for animals. I do however believe that you cannot simply take the simple idea of a printed slip of paper and assume that it means that any animal is healthy, free from genetic defects or come from decent living conditions. You cannot simply say, "AKC registered, that means they're a great breeder and a good choice. Done." That is what I mean when I say that a registry doesn't mean very much if you aren't interested in showing or breeding. That registry doesn't insure that your dog comes from a clean home, one that involves the necessary testing, or that your dog is free from issues. It is up to the person as the potential owner to seek out this information as much as possible. While I can certainly say that the percentage of good breeders who are AKC registered is much higher then those who have no affiliation at all - it is far far from a fail safe. After the fact, they can certainly investigate and take action! Time however can't be turned back time and there is no magical fix any situation that existed before they took action. They certainly aren't going to pay for medical issues resulting from it either.

There are a lot of AKC kennels out there that have dogs in horrid conditions, and we both know that no organization is perfect and everything is only as good as the people who serve it. I've recently just gone through this myself both with the AKC and local animal control over kennel conditions and animal neglect. I do know of their commitment, but I have also seen it fail. Nothing in life is fail safe, and AKC registration is no substitute for personal research. That is my meaning when I say that any registration doesn't mean much. The AKC is a lovely organization, but a paper registration in itself can easily be.. just a paper registration. AKC registration and approved kennel visits do not necessarily make a good breeder nor a healthy dog.

Shouldn't have interjected or changed your wording.

AKC doesn't make you a reputable breeder, Code of Ethics and Conduct is something you can't learn, it something one is born with.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I tend to disagree with you that a Registry doesn't mean anything if you aren't interested in showing. The AKC is very much involved in Kennel inspection.....They do have on ongoing Suspension List. And yes, they are actively involved with Health Testing and working on Research........They are also actively involved in Pet Legislation. Canine Responsible Ownership, etc.

Great post!

[veggienut]

Apparently, this is HOT TOPIC. I was just asking a question and I appreciate all the info. Many people, many views, very informative of everyone's side. Also, one should consider their pocketbooks on making a choice of a pet in their life also. I do know if you don't get a AKC pet, the cost are lower. AKC lines can run $5,000 and more. Did you all know that one~?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by veggienut

Apparently, this is HOT TOPIC. I was just asking a question and I appreciate all the info. Many people, many views, very informative of everyone's side. Also, one should consider their pocketbooks on making a choice of a pet in their life also. I do know if you don't get a AKC pet, the cost are lower. AKC lines can run $5,000 and more. Did you all know that one~?

Yes, there are those that will sell a pup $5,000, using the lines to promote the sale. However, most reputable breeder/exhibitors don't even place their show dogs in show homes for that amount of money.

[veggienut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yes, there are those that will sell a pup $5,000, using the lines to promote the sale. However, most reputable breeder/exhibitors don't even place their show dogs in show homes for that amount of money.

Oh, yes they do. I have a friend of mine that shows her Yorkie and someone asked her recently if she wanted to buy her show dog. (I don't know if the dog is retired or she is retiring from it) She is very reputuable here in the area I live. She told me yesterday she was asking $5000 for a male and even more for a female. I was shocked that a dog can cost that much money. I wouldn't pay that much, unless it had tires on it.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Everyone is very right that the quality of dog is not determined on the registery. All should be determined by your breeder.......

AKC is the purebred registery and the most prestigous.....

CKC & ACA was established and used by those that are unwilling to undergo the scrutiny of AKC. Any dog can be registered in CKC & ACA. Used mostely by puppy mills and BYBers

Purchasing an AKC registered dog comes with the ability of lodging complaints should there be any question of parentage of the pup... Since you are allowed to register mixed breeds in the other two, that option is mute.

My thoughts exactly. Although having and AKC registered dog does not mean a thing if the breeder is bad, you still have more recourse.

Not saying this is true in all cases, but my opinion is that people go to The lessor registries when they can't get them registered AKC.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

My thoughts exactly. Although having and AKC registered dog does not mean a thing if the breeder is bad, you still have more recourse.

Not saying this is true in all cases, but my opinion is that people go to The lessor registries when they can't get them registered AKC.

I agree plus they can register a litter free with ckc where a litter of 2 with akc would cost $29.00

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by veggienut

Oh, yes they do. I have a friend of mine that shows her Yorkie and someone asked her recently if she wanted to buy her show dog. (I don't know if the dog is retired or she is retiring from it) She is very reputuable here in the area I live. She told me yesterday she was asking $5000 for a male and even more for a female. I was shocked that a dog can cost that much money. I wouldn't pay that much, unless it had tires on it.

Oh my...........Being that I show and know some of the long reputable/exhibitors.....what you've mentioned is a bit pricey. I know my mentor's show dog prices and they they are no where near that. She's been it for 45 years, finishing more than 100 Champions herself...this is not inclusive of what she has placed in show homes that were Championed.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by veggienut

I called someone in the local paper that was advertising for Yorkies this weekend. Her Yorkies are CKC, so I asked what the difference between being AKC and CKC. She told me that the paperwork that you need for AKC is like $25 and for CKC it is $10. I know there is more to it than that. I do know that AKC dogs compete, since I have a friend whom shows her Yorkie. What does CKC stand for~? Is there others besides AKC and CKC. Are AKC better quality than CKC~? Just curious. Thanks

I'm surprised that your friend couldn't explain the difference to you? Not that you shouldn't ask... just weird that you wouldn't ask a "friend".


[quote=veggienut;2923729]Apparently, this is HOT TOPIC. I was just asking a question and I appreciate all the info. Many people, many views, very informative of everyone's side. Also, one should consider their pocketbooks on making a choice of a pet in their life also. I do know if you don't get a AKC pet, the cost are lower. AKC lines can run $5,000 and more. Did you all know that one~?[/QUOTE]
Yes, AKC lines "could" run $5000.00 if you were buying a Championed breeding bitch/dog from CH lines... but that's not usually the case because "ususally" people co-own a bitch/dog being shown to their Championship.

Originally Posted by veggienut

Oh, yes they do. I have a friend of mine that shows her Yorkie and someone asked her recently if she wanted to buy her show dog. (I don't know if the dog is retired or she is retiring from it) She is very reputuable here in the area I live. She told me yesterday she was asking $5000 for a male and even more for a female. I was shocked that a dog can cost that much money. I wouldn't pay that much, unless it had tires on it.

Just curious... why your friend isn't providing you with more information. And maybe you wouldn't mind sharing with us the name of the line? What shows does she attend? How many dogs has she Championed? I'm not questioning that she hasn't... just wondering - we might know of her

[cj125]

ACA- American Canine Association
ADBA - American Dog Breeders Association
AKC - American Kennel Club
APR - American Purebred Registry
APRI - American Pet Registry
CKC - Continental Kennel Club / Canadian Kennel Club
DRA- Dog Registry of America
IAR- International Animals Registry
NAMBR- North American Mixed Breed Registry
NAPDR- North American Purebred Dog Registry
UABR- United All Breed Registry
UKC- United Kennel Club
UKCI- Universal Kennel Club International
USKC- United States Kennel Club
WKC- World Kennel Club
WWKC- World Wide Kennel Club

[cj125]

Did you know there was this many registries?

ACA- American Canine Association
ADBA - American Dog Breeders Association
AKC - American Kennel Club
APR - American Purebred Registry
APRI - American Pet Registry
CKC - Continental Kennel Club / Canadian Kennel Club
DRA- Dog Registry of America
IAR- International Animals Registry
NAMBR- North American Mixed Breed Registry
NAPDR- North American Purebred Dog Registry
UABR- United All Breed Registry
UKC- United Kennel Club
UKCI- Universal Kennel Club International
USKC- United States Kennel Club
WKC- World Kennel Club
WWKC- World Wide Kennel Club

[veggienut]

[quote=cj125;2924052]I'm surprised that your friend couldn't explain the difference to you? Not that you shouldn't ask... just weird that you wouldn't ask a "friend".

She did. But I got an email from this group that I wasn't participating, so I needed to post something since I hadn't been here in a while.

Originally Posted by veggienut

Apparently, this is HOT TOPIC. I was just asking a question and I appreciate all the info. Many people, many views, very informative of everyone's side. Also, one should consider their pocketbooks on making a choice of a pet in their life also. I do know if you don't get a AKC pet, the cost are lower. AKC lines can run $5,000 and more. Did you all know that one~?[/QUOTE]
Yes, AKC lines "could" run $5000.00 if you were buying a Championed breeding bitch/dog from CH lines... but that's not usually the case because "ususally" people co-own a bitch/dog being shown to their Championship.





Just curious... why your friend isn't providing you with more information. And maybe you wouldn't mind sharing with us the name of the line? What shows does she attend? How many dogs has she Championed? I'm not questioning that she hasn't... just wondering - we might know of her

She did, but I don't post personal information online. It is what it is. She's been showing and has won in different states she shows in. She knows what she is talking about.

[Mardelin]

[quote=veggienut;2924092]

Originally Posted by cj125

I'm surprised that your friend couldn't explain the difference to you? Not that you shouldn't ask... just weird that you wouldn't ask a "friend".

She did. But I got an email from this group that I wasn't participating, so I needed to post something since I hadn't been here in a while.




She did, but I don't post personal information online. It is what it is. She's been showing and has won in different states she shows in. She knows what she is talking about.

Posting lines isn't personal information......