Is 8 Weeks too Young?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sharly4

I've been breeding for 13 years and my mentors for 20 plus we've all been giving first shots at 6 weeks. It's what my vet recomended since I first started and my puppies sometimes have 3 shots before they leave. I also put them outside at about 6-8 weeks old so they can start potty training. I've never had one instance of Parvo in all my years of breeding. I keep everyone up to date and on schedule! Neither have any of my mentors have had Parvo. I know you've all been doing research and if it works for you guys it works. This has worked for me all these years and I don't plan on changing.

If this works for you. However, have you had titers preformed on pups after their first shots to insure they are recieving the immunities the innoculation is meant to provide. Dr Dodd's vaccination protocol has been adopted and taught throughout U.S. Vetenarian's Schools. Her protocol has been researched & tested.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Reinell

I find your post mildly insulting. Just because I am not getting a registered Yorkie does not mean I am not getting a pure Yorkie. Just like getting. Registered Yorkie does not guarantee you will get a Yorkie with no health problems. Just because the pups are not registered the breeder is not automatically a backyard breeder. Her belief about not docking tails and removing dewclaws as she believes it is a cruel practice aligns with my DH's and my belief. Most breeders in NA dock tails to meet the NA standard which we do not agree with. This breeder also provides a two year health guarantee.

You are right, CKC breeders does not make a breeder reputable. But, what it does provide you with is an avenue should their be any questions on the puppy's parentage and should their be any possible problems with the breeders facility. Providing papers should not come with a higher price. I've seen that too. No papers cheaper, papers more money.

That being said, I will agree with the the other poster, those breeding outside the CKC or through another non stricter registraty are more often than not BYBers or Puppy Mills.....The percentages are documented.

Bottom line, go with your heart, buy the dog that you love. But, remember you buy your breeder first and your puppy 2nd. You are buying a relationship for the rest of that puppy's life....beyond the length of the contract. Your breeder should be available to you 7x24.

[Sharly4]

No my vet has never said anything about doing a titters blood test. I have always vaccinated my pups and taken them to see him and he has always said how healthy they are. He never questioned why I vacc. At 6weeks since he's the one that told me to. I've never had a parvo break out and he never recomended the test. I never read up on vacc. or why at 6 weeks. If he says do this do that I will. I believe he's looking out for my dogs best interest and health!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sharly4

No my vet has never said anything about doing a titters blood test. I have always vaccinated my pups and taken them to see him and he has always said how healthy they are. He never questioned why I vacc. At 6weeks since he's the one that told me to. I've never had a parvo break out and he never recomended the test.

It would reveal if pups are receiving full immunities with each innoculation.

Not to long ago, I used vaccinations by a different manufacturer.....decided to have the tests performed on two seperate puppies (one being vaccinated with one manufacturer the other with the other). One puppies immunities did not have the immunities, the other was at the correct level. Had to start the innoculation process over on the puppy who's levels were below par. Expensive process, but worth it to know that the pups had their immunities.

My vet didn't recommend this to be done, but did it at my request.

[Sharly4]

Well so far the vacc. they've been getting have been from the same manufacturer and haven't changed. I like to stay with what works and so does he if the price goes up so be it. It's their health I have to look after and It always comes first. So like I said since I've never had an instance I've not concerned myself with the titters and nor has he. I know I can't say it will never happen but if god forbid it happens I'll consider. But like I said I'm sticking to what works. My babies are healthy happy and thriving.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Sharly4

I've been breeding for 13 years and my mentors for 20 plus we've all been giving first shots at 6 weeks. It's what my vet recomended since I first started and my puppies sometimes have 3 shots before they leave. I also put them outside at about 6-8 weeks old so they can start potty training. I've never had one instance of Parvo in all my years of breeding. I keep everyone up to date and on schedule! Neither have any of my mentors have had Parvo. I know you've all been doing research and if it works for you guys it works. This has worked for me all these years and I don't plan on changing.

Which shots do you give? I can assure you the main reason your vaccination schedule is working is because you are keeping your pups until they are 12 weeks or older. I am sure when you are taking them outside that you are not letting them in areas where other dogs that might have parvo could have gone.

Sadly, why parvo is such a problem is that many back yard breeders will vaccinate early and then sell their pups at 8 weeks after just one or 2 shots and the puppy buyer has the false security of thinking their pup is protected. My feelings are basically that the 1st shot at 6 weeks does very little good. Also you have to consider the long term effects of the vaccinations on the young puppy's liver, immune system and neurological system.

Of course, we all have our opinions and in the end it is up to each breeder to do what they are most comfortable with.

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by Reinell

I find your post mildly insulting. Just because I am not getting a registered Yorkie does not mean I am not getting a pure Yorkie. Just like getting. Registered Yorkie does not guarantee you will get a Yorkie with no health problems. Just because the pups are not registered the breeder is not automatically a backyard breeder. Her belief about not docking tails and removing dewclaws as she believes it is a cruel practice aligns with my DH's and my belief. Most breeders in NA dock tails to meet the NA standard which we do not agree with. This breeder also provides a two year health guarantee.

Sorry if it's insulting I was not intending to insult you. But it is the truth of the matter, you cannot guarantee that you are getting a purebred dog if you have no papers. You don't know where the dog "came from" and what kind of dogs are in the line. Of course you can't guarantee health either but a reputable breeder will have health tested all their breeding stock, did this breeder do all the testing? If she has had BOTH parents tested and can tell you about the grand parents of the parents then I would say you are dealing with someone a bit better but I still don't believe on letting babies go so early.

[Sharly4]

Well my yard is fenced so I know there is no way other dogs besides my own will be there. I keep my yard pretty clean from poo as every couple of days we pick it up. I'm not a BYB. I consider myself a very good breeder as I have kept in touch with my pups either by phone, email, facebook. There are many ways I keep in touch. I have taken proper precautions with the tests and also with the health of my babies. I have always kept my puppies till 12 weeks and older. I'm always so attached to them as I cry when they go. I think my vacc. Work b/c they work. You said yourself it wasn't till you switched that you did titters to compare levels of immunity. I never questioned b/c I haven't switched. So there hasn't been a reason. Oh I give the Max5.

[Reinell]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

Sorry if it's insulting I was not intending to insult you. But it is the truth of the matter, you cannot guarantee that you are getting a purebred dog if you have no papers. You don't know where the dog "came from" and what kind of dogs are in the line. Of course you can't guarantee health either but a reputable breeder will have health tested all their breeding stock, did this breeder do all the testing? If she has had BOTH parents tested and can tell you about the grand parents of the parents then I would say you are dealing with someone a bit better but I still don't believe on letting babies go so early.

I can understand your point of view.

In all honesty I would not be heartbroken if my dog Rocky was not 100% Yorkie through the lines. He is 100% awesome! He is one of the most beautiful Yorkies I have ever seen. He is very black and tan and will be 2 years in May. This is rare as most Yorkies I have seen turn more silver or tan (his dad is very black and tan like him and his mom is mostly tan). Our groomer said she has never seen such a muscular healthy Yorkie in all her 20+ years of grooming (our dog loves to run and is built for speed I tell you!). Testing parent lineage is likely a good thing but no guarantee of good health. Purebred puppies that can trace the lines back generations can still have health problems. I am not interested in showing this is why lineage is not as important to me. I am not buying from a puppy mill or a BYB - both parents are pets of the breeder and she raises the puppy in her home and socializes them extremely well. We love our Rocky so much, that's why we want to get another one from the same breeder.

[Sharly4]

Originally Posted by Reinell

I can understand your point of view.

In all honesty I would not be heartbroken if my dog Rocky was not 100% Yorkie through the lines. He is 100% awesome! He is one of the most beautiful Yorkies I have ever seen. He is very black and tan and will be 2 years in May. This is rare as most Yorkies I have seen turn more silver or tan (his dad is very black and tan like him and his mom is mostly tan). Our groomer said she has never seen such a muscular healthy Yorkie in all her 20+ years of grooming (our dog loves to run and is built for speed I tell you!). Testing parent lineage is likely a good thing but no guarantee of good health. Purebred puppies that can trace the lines back generations can still have health problems. I am not interested in showing this is why lineage is not as important to me. I am not buying from a puppy mill or a BYB - both parents are pets of the breeder and she raises the puppy in her home and socializes them extremely well. We love our Rocky so much, that's why we want to get another one from the same breeder.

if your baby is happy and healthy I say go ahead and buy another if it feels right. You've already dealt with this breeder in the past and you and only you know what you're in for. So by all means go for it. I hope the best for you all!

[bjh]

In all honesty, papers do not mean much to some pet puppy buyers, they just want a healthy loving pet at a cheap price. There are many beautiful unregistered yorkies out there just as there are registered yorkies that don't look like yorkies. There have been many discussions how some people will buy pups with limited registration and breed them anyway, some may be of good quality and some may not.

My personal opinion is that a unregistered pup should cost no more than $400 to $500. A yorkie that stays black is a fault, the same as a yorkie that is too light or is parti colored. I know there are people that just don't care if their yorkies conform to standard or not. Everyone has a right to choose what they want but I know there are many people that are uneducated about the yorkie breed and they are too quick to select a puppy and they later wish they had done more research first.

One other thing, no matter if you are a byb or a show breeder, sometimes a breeding just doesn't work out and a breeder will get some pups that are not to standard. These pups might have longer muzzles, extra long legs, short legs, a bad bite, too large, improper coat and so on. These not so pretty pups need loving homes too. I really hate it when someone posts pictures of a yorkie that is not standard and people always just assume the dog was poorly bred. A homely yorkie can come from well bred gorgeous parents. Like my mom always told me 'It's what's inside that counts'. Yorkies are a loving devoted breed and they offer so much more to their owners than just looks.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

In all honesty, papers do not mean much to some pet puppy buyers, they just want a healthy loving pet at a cheap price. There are many beautiful unregistered yorkies out there just as there are registered yorkies that don't look like yorkies. There have been many discussions how some people will buy pups with limited registration and breed them anyway, some may be of good quality and some may not.

My personal opinion is that a unregistered pup should cost no more than $400 to $500. A yorkie that stays black is a fault, the same as a yorkie that is too light or is parti colored. I know there are people that just don't care if their yorkies conform to standard or not. Everyone has a right to choose what they want but I know there are many people that are uneducated about the yorkie breed and they are too quick to select a puppy and they later wish they had done more research first.

One other thing, no matter if you are a byb or a show breeder, sometimes a breeding just doesn't work out and a breeder will get some pups that are not to standard. These pups might have longer muzzles, extra long legs, short legs, a bad bite, too large, improper coat and so on. These not so pretty pups need loving homes too. I really hate it when someone posts pictures of a yorkie that is not standard and people always just assume the dog was poorly bred. A homely yorkie can come from well bred gorgeous parents. Like my mom always told me 'It's what's inside that counts'. Yorkies are a loving devoted breed and they offer so much more to their owners than just looks.

I've bred a couple of those....not homely....but a bit too large/small, too leggy, incorrect coat color....yes, these are the pups that are placed in pet homes.....

The other thing that amazes me is those that want a dog that has all the attributes of a show dog, for a pet price. I guess that's not a bad thing, but absolutely not a doable from a breeder/exhibitor, since that one is going to be kept by me.

[Sharly4]

Originally Posted by bjh

In all honesty, papers do not mean much to some pet puppy buyers, they just want a healthy loving pet at a cheap price. There are many beautiful unregistered yorkies out there just as there are registered yorkies that don't look like yorkies. There have been many discussions how some people will buy pups with limited registration and breed them anyway, some may be of good quality and some may not.

My personal opinion is that a unregistered pup should cost no more than $400 to $500. A yorkie that stays black is a fault, the same as a yorkie that is too light or is parti colored. I know there are people that just don't care if their yorkies conform to standard or not. Everyone has a right to choose what they want but I know there are many people that are uneducated about the yorkie breed and they are too quick to select a puppy and they later wish they had done more research first.

One other thing, no matter if you are a byb or a show breeder, sometimes
a breeding just doesn't work out and a breeder will get some pups that are
not to standard. These pups might have longer muzzles, extra long legs, short legs, a bad bite, too large, improper coat and so on. These not so pretty pups need loving homes too. I really hate it when someone posts pictures of a yorkie that is not standard and people always just assume the dog was poorly bred. A homely yorkie can come from well bred gorgeous parents. Like my mom always told me 'It's what's inside that counts'. Yorkies are a loving devoted breed and they offer so much more to their owners than just looks.

[Reinell]

Originally Posted by bjh

In all honesty, papers do not mean much to some pet puppy buyers, they just want a healthy loving pet at a cheap price. There are many beautiful unregistered yorkies out there just as there are registered yorkies that don't look like yorkies. There have been many discussions how some people will buy pups with limited registration and breed them anyway, some may be of good quality and some may not.

My personal opinion is that a unregistered pup should cost no more than $400 to $500. A yorkie that stays black is a fault, the same as a yorkie that is too light or is parti colored. I know there are people that just don't care if their yorkies conform to standard or not. Everyone has a right to choose what they want but I know there are many people that are uneducated about the yorkie breed and they are too quick to select a puppy and they later wish they had done more research first.

One other thing, no matter if you are a byb or a show breeder, sometimes a breeding just doesn't work out and a breeder will get some pups that are not to standard. These pups might have longer muzzles, extra long legs, short legs, a bad bite, too large, improper coat and so on. These not so pretty pups need loving homes too. I really hate it when someone posts pictures of a yorkie that is not standard and people always just assume the dog was poorly bred. A homely yorkie can come from well bred gorgeous parents. Like my mom always told me 'It's what's inside that counts'. Yorkies are a loving devoted breed and they offer so much more to their owners than just looks.

Well said! I wasn't aware the black coat was a fault, as I think it is so beautiful!

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Reinell

Well said! I wasn't aware the black coat was a fault, as I think it is so beautiful!

Yes, a black coat is a fault and with the changes to the yorkie standard an adult dog with a black coat or too much black on the head (an uncleared head) would be disqualified from showing, just as a yorkie with too light of a coat. A dark steel blue is the ideal color of an adult yorkie. Of course, the proper steel blue color is in the eye of the beholder and that is why you still see a variety of shades of the steel blue color in the show ring.