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DerbyLayne · 12-13-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HendrixandLucy

I have heard that usually when the breeders will "deliver" for you that is a bad sign.... or a sign of a puppy mill..... however-- the fact that they seemed to be so in love with the puppy is wonderful..... you never know. I met the lady at a shopping area when I bought Hendrix because again- I didn't know any better and I guess that is also a big red flag of a puppy mill..... but I (just like you) don't care. I have a happy healthy puppy and that's what matters

I heard delivery is bad too, but given the circumstances where we physically couldn't get to their house, my husband didn't see it as a big deal! But education wasn't there either. They brought their remaining 2 pups. I'll upload the original pictures they sent us...

What's the difference between a puppy mill and a backyard breeder anyway?

But look at them- both with big Dumbo ears... big Yorkies... tails cropped too short... I want to believe he is a purebred yorkie, but what do I know?

LilMissy · 12-14-2009, 12:18 AM

I always, ALWAYS educate about petstores and puppymills, even if the person has recently bought a puppy from a petstore. I just can't help myself. Generally after a person tells me they got their pet from a petstore, I will ask if the new puppy has been healthy so far. If they say yes, then I go on to tell them about how we weren't so lucky with our pug dog that we purchased from Pet Habitat in Brentwood Mall, BC. Then I explain to them about all the health issues she's had over the years, and how most of them weren't obvious in the first couple of years. The lastest health problem that I tell them about is her worst one. It's called spondylosis (degenerative disease of the spine). Our pug "Tang" was diagnosed with this disease at age 7. Our vet told us that she has this disease from being poorly bred, and it is likely that both her Mom and Dad would have had the disease in order for it to be passed down to her. She is slowly becoming paralyzed and there is nothing that we can do for her other than pain killers/anti-inflammatories, and live with her peeing and pooping everywhere because she has no feeling from the waist down. My dog can hardly walk anymore. She stands with her back sloped and kind of drags/scuffles her feet behind her. I have to carry her around most of the time. To watch her suffer, and KNOW that it's because of how she was bred is truly heartbreaking, and something that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I can always tell by people reactions that my story does "hit home". I will continue to educate everyone I can when it comes to pet stores and puppymills. I just be sure to do it in a kind, informative manner so that people will listen with an open mind. Someone has to speak up for these furry little ones, so it might as well be me! The only way of stopping puppymills is by not purchasing these puppies. Apparently, not even pressing criminal charges against these pet store owners will stop them, because the owner of the pet store that our pug "Tang" came from is still in business!

Pet Habitat in Burnaby Charged with Animal Cruelty
BCSPCA Press Release

May 4, 2005. For immediate release. Crown Counsel has approved charges of animal cruelty against Thomas Peters, owner of the Pet Habitat store in Brentwood Mall in Burnaby. BC SPCA animal protection officers have responded to nearly 80 complaints from the public about the Burnaby pet store during the past five years.
"The primary concerns have been lack of proper veterinary care for sick or injured animals and filthy or substandard housing conditions," says BC SPCA Senior Animal Protection Officer Eileen Drever. "We have responded to frequent complaints at the store and after each visit the situation improves for a brief time but the animals are soon subjected again to the same conditions."
Recently, SPCA animal cruelty officers discovered a Fox Terrier puppy at the store in thin body condition with its ribs visible, lethargic and depressed, with laboured breathing. An order was issued to seek immediate veterinary care. At that time birds were also observed with overgrown twisted nails, and cages were dirty and overcrowded. Smaller animals in the store were also inadequately housed. "During another recent inspection of the store SPCA officers found a bird with a broken leg," says Drever. "Unfortunately, the Fox Terrier puppy and the injured bird were subsequently euthanized." The SPCA forwarded a recommendation to Crown Counsel that Mr. Peters be charged with animal cruelty with regard to these recent incidents.

If that's not enough to make someone never purchase from a petstore again, then I don't know what is

I won't even buy pet supplies from a store that sells animals.

I guess that was a long-winded answer to your question, but I guess my point is that I feel it's important to say SOMETHING at least. If they've bought one puppy from a petstore, chances are they may buy another in the future. Especially if their most recent experience wasn't a bad one.

cynsir · 12-14-2009, 06:03 AM

One thing that I always tell people who buy their pets without seeing where the really came from is to make sure that the pup goes to the vet immediately. Sometimes the vets can discover problems in the pup so that the new owner can decide whether or not this is the pup for them. Just my 2 cents.

MI Yorkielover · 12-14-2009, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetlips6

After they already have their pup is not the time to try to educate them. It will only make them sad about their pup and maybe mad at you for being the "bearer of bad news"

I like the idea of inviting them to YT and letting them get their own education. Maybe when they are ready for their next dog, they will know/do better.

I totally agree. There is no "nice" way to hurt someones feelings.

capt_noonie · 12-14-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DerbyLayne

What's the difference between a puppy mill and a backyard breeder anyway?

I think the main difference is puppymills are very high volume breeders. Breeding at each and every heat, dogs in cages 24/7, multiple breeds, etc. BYB usually breed the family pets, can also have multiple breeds. they both do it for money and don't do testing. Then I guess hobby breeders, do it b/c they love it, a hobby. most of the time, a hobby costs you money, not makes you money. BUT most millers and byb will call themselves hobby breeders.

capt_noonie · 12-14-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MI Yorkielover

I totally agree. There is no "nice" way to hurt someones feelings.

This is exactly how I feel, that's why I started this thread. Other than inviting them to YT I don't know what to do or say. I don't have a personal pet shop pup horror story to tell them. I'm afraid if I say something right then and there they will think I'm a snob or a know it all.

capt_noonie · 12-14-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LilMissy

I always, ALWAYS educate about petstores and puppymills, even if the person has recently bought a puppy from a petstore. I just can't help myself. Generally after a person tells me they got their pet from a petstore, I will ask if the new puppy has been healthy so far. If they say yes, then I go on to tell them about how we weren't so lucky with our pug dog that we purchased from Pet Habitat in Brentwood Mall, BC. Then I explain to them about all the health issues she's had over the years, and how most of them weren't obvious in the first couple of years. The lastest health problem that I tell them about is her worst one. It's called spondylosis (degenerative disease of the spine). Our pug "Tang" was diagnosed with this disease at age 7. Our vet told us that she has this disease from being poorly bred, and it is likely that both her Mom and Dad would have had the disease in order for it to be passed down to her. She is slowly becoming paralyzed and there is nothing that we can do for her other than pain killers/anti-inflammatories, and live with her peeing and pooping everywhere because she has no feeling from the waist down. My dog can hardly walk anymore. She stands with her back sloped and kind of drags/scuffles her feet behind her. I have to carry her around most of the time. To watch her suffer, and KNOW that it's because of how she was bred is truly heartbreaking, and something that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I can always tell by people reactions that my story does "hit home". I will continue to educate everyone I can when it comes to pet stores and puppymills. I just be sure to do it in a kind, informative manner so that people will listen with an open mind. Someone has to speak up for these furry little ones, so it might as well be me! The only way of stopping puppymills is by not purchasing these puppies. Apparently, not even pressing criminal charges against these pet store owners will stop them, because the owner of the pet store that our pug "Tang" came from is still in business!

Pet Habitat in Burnaby Charged with Animal Cruelty
BCSPCA Press Release

May 4, 2005. For immediate release. Crown Counsel has approved charges of animal cruelty against Thomas Peters, owner of the Pet Habitat store in Brentwood Mall in Burnaby. BC SPCA animal protection officers have responded to nearly 80 complaints from the public about the Burnaby pet store during the past five years.
"The primary concerns have been lack of proper veterinary care for sick or injured animals and filthy or substandard housing conditions," says BC SPCA Senior Animal Protection Officer Eileen Drever. "We have responded to frequent complaints at the store and after each visit the situation improves for a brief time but the animals are soon subjected again to the same conditions."
Recently, SPCA animal cruelty officers discovered a Fox Terrier puppy at the store in thin body condition with its ribs visible, lethargic and depressed, with laboured breathing. An order was issued to seek immediate veterinary care. At that time birds were also observed with overgrown twisted nails, and cages were dirty and overcrowded. Smaller animals in the store were also inadequately housed. "During another recent inspection of the store SPCA officers found a bird with a broken leg," says Drever. "Unfortunately, the Fox Terrier puppy and the injured bird were subsequently euthanized." The SPCA forwarded a recommendation to Crown Counsel that Mr. Peters be charged with animal cruelty with regard to these recent incidents.

If that's not enough to make someone never purchase from a petstore again, then I don't know what is

I won't even buy pet supplies from a store that sells animals.

I guess that was a long-winded answer to your question, but I guess my point is that I feel it's important to say SOMETHING at least. If they've bought one puppy from a petstore, chances are they may buy another in the future. Especially if their most recent experience wasn't a bad one.

I'm so sorry to hear about your pug Shaunna. That story is so sad.

MI Yorkielover · 12-14-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie

This is exactly how I feel, that's why I started this thread. Other than inviting them to YT I don't know what to do or say. I don't have a personal pet shop pup horror story to tell them. I'm afraid if I say something right then and there they will think I'm a snob or a know it all.

Anyone who knows you through your posts would know immediately you are neither a snob or a know it all...only that you are impassioned by the subject

capt_noonie · 12-14-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MI Yorkielover

Anyone who knows you through your posts would know immediately you are neither a snob or a know it all...only that you are impassioned by the subject

awwww, thanks

wahawaha · 12-14-2009, 07:41 PM

If you find a breeder online and have the puppy shipped to you, you really don't know if it's from a puppy mill either. And if not from a puppy mill, it could be an at home breeder who over breeds his dogs. You'd have to check the webpage and see how often their dogs have litters, and if they list the sire & dam as the same dogs or different ones. Before getting my dog I was looking at Havanese & found a "breeder" near me. Turns out it's in a house in the city with a tiny yard & about 20 dogs running around in their own messes. I worked for the AKC & they don't regulate cleanliness. As long as you have AKC dogs you can register your puppies for a free. The AKC traces the dog's lineage. The only way to find a good breeder is by a friend referring them to you.

12-14-2009, 12:18 AM	#17
LilMissy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,421	I can't keep my yap shut when it comes to petstores/puppymills... I always, ALWAYS educate about petstores and puppymills, even if the person has recently bought a puppy from a petstore. I just can't help myself. Generally after a person tells me they got their pet from a petstore, I will ask if the new puppy has been healthy so far. If they say yes, then I go on to tell them about how we weren't so lucky with our pug dog that we purchased from Pet Habitat in Brentwood Mall, BC. Then I explain to them about all the health issues she's had over the years, and how most of them weren't obvious in the first couple of years. The lastest health problem that I tell them about is her worst one. It's called spondylosis (degenerative disease of the spine). Our pug "Tang" was diagnosed with this disease at age 7. Our vet told us that she has this disease from being poorly bred, and it is likely that both her Mom and Dad would have had the disease in order for it to be passed down to her. She is slowly becoming paralyzed and there is nothing that we can do for her other than pain killers/anti-inflammatories, and live with her peeing and pooping everywhere because she has no feeling from the waist down. My dog can hardly walk anymore. She stands with her back sloped and kind of drags/scuffles her feet behind her. I have to carry her around most of the time. To watch her suffer, and KNOW that it's because of how she was bred is truly heartbreaking, and something that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I can always tell by people reactions that my story does "hit home". I will continue to educate everyone I can when it comes to pet stores and puppymills. I just be sure to do it in a kind, informative manner so that people will listen with an open mind. Someone has to speak up for these furry little ones, so it might as well be me! The only way of stopping puppymills is by not purchasing these puppies. Apparently, not even pressing criminal charges against these pet store owners will stop them, because the owner of the pet store that our pug "Tang" came from is still in business! Pet Habitat in Burnaby Charged with Animal Cruelty BCSPCA Press Release May 4, 2005. For immediate release. Crown Counsel has approved charges of animal cruelty against Thomas Peters, owner of the Pet Habitat store in Brentwood Mall in Burnaby. BC SPCA animal protection officers have responded to nearly 80 complaints from the public about the Burnaby pet store during the past five years. "The primary concerns have been lack of proper veterinary care for sick or injured animals and filthy or substandard housing conditions," says BC SPCA Senior Animal Protection Officer Eileen Drever. "We have responded to frequent complaints at the store and after each visit the situation improves for a brief time but the animals are soon subjected again to the same conditions." Recently, SPCA animal cruelty officers discovered a Fox Terrier puppy at the store in thin body condition with its ribs visible, lethargic and depressed, with laboured breathing. An order was issued to seek immediate veterinary care. At that time birds were also observed with overgrown twisted nails, and cages were dirty and overcrowded. Smaller animals in the store were also inadequately housed. "During another recent inspection of the store SPCA officers found a bird with a broken leg," says Drever. "Unfortunately, the Fox Terrier puppy and the injured bird were subsequently euthanized." The SPCA forwarded a recommendation to Crown Counsel that Mr. Peters be charged with animal cruelty with regard to these recent incidents. If that's not enough to make someone never purchase from a petstore again, then I don't know what is I won't even buy pet supplies from a store that sells animals. I guess that was a long-winded answer to your question, but I guess my point is that I feel it's important to say SOMETHING at least. If they've bought one puppy from a petstore, chances are they may buy another in the future. Especially if their most recent experience wasn't a bad one. __________________ Shaunna with Missy (my princess) & Dora (my tomboy)

12-14-2009, 06:03 AM	#18
cynsir The 3 Musketeers Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cloquet, MN Posts: 738 Blog Entries: 1	One thing that I always tell people who buy their pets without seeing where the really came from is to make sure that the pup goes to the vet immediately. Sometimes the vets can discover problems in the pup so that the new owner can decide whether or not this is the pup for them. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Cindy and Misty and Mazie and Cassie Max (3/31/08 - 6/1/09)

12-14-2009, 07:41 PM	#25
wahawaha Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 132	Puppy Stores If you find a breeder online and have the puppy shipped to you, you really don't know if it's from a puppy mill either. And if not from a puppy mill, it could be an at home breeder who over breeds his dogs. You'd have to check the webpage and see how often their dogs have litters, and if they list the sire & dam as the same dogs or different ones. Before getting my dog I was looking at Havanese & found a "breeder" near me. Turns out it's in a house in the city with a tiny yard & about 20 dogs running around in their own messes. I worked for the AKC & they don't regulate cleanliness. As long as you have AKC dogs you can register your puppies for a free. The AKC traces the dog's lineage. The only way to find a good breeder is by a friend referring them to you.