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10-19-2009, 10:40 PM | #1 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | Suggestions? A little background... Our girl has not particularly liked any kind of treat from the start. She once would "tolerate" yogurt drops but that was about it. She will eat freeze-dried chicken at times and loves "real" mini carrots. In fact, carrots are the only treats that she will eat whenever we offer. Tonight we took Taffy to her first puppy class. There were only 2 others there but I feel as though the honor of the Yorkie breed is at stake! Taffy was so well-behaved and her sweetest little self (even if a bit overwhelmed by all the strange sights/sounds, etc.) However, as I had worried a bit about...she would not accept the treats from the instructor as he demonstrated click training. I thought I had prepared well for this problem though because I had taken tiny slices of the mini carrots. She would not take those either! Not from the instructor nor from us. We really were the rebels of the class tonight, I'm afraid. Everyone else goes outside to potty and they had instruction on accomplishing potty training. Our girl? She came to us as a mere puppy already housebroken just from observing her mother. Very, very rarely does she have an accident and it's usually just a depth perception problem since it's right at the pad. (She's 10 months old; we've had her since she was 14 weeks. I'd guess we haven't had even a week's total of accidents if that.) I finally decided to do a bit of explaining to the guy tonight because I could tell he was getting the wrong idea of our baby. She didn't fall for his treat temptation and she didn't potty outdoors and *big gasp* we free feed. (Oh yes, we were the only ones who do that, too.) I tried to explain that it really doesn't matter because it's kibble and she doesn't like that either. The guy was a retired teacher and most of you know that I am, too, so I decided that I had to defend our girl's honor. This was during the potty training segment where he's doing all this about treats, etc. Our little girl never had to have treats to use her pee pad. As I said she trained herself by imitating her mother. However, once in awhile she will look up at us when she's finished peeing and we will give her a round of applause as though she's just won the Oscar. This only happens about once a week or so because our Southern belle really prefers to do her private business in private. (I must say he was quite taken aback by that description and FINALLY commented that we had a smart dog...LOL) Okay, here's my need for suggestions (sorry the post is long but I'm still hurt that ours was not the star of the class tonight...a spaniel got that distinction...beautiful dog but not a Yorkie...LOL). I need to think of something soft, small, and irrestible to take as treats that Taffy will enjoy. (We're supposed to have treats next week that will trump the teacher's...) I'm at a total loss and need suggestions! I cannot stand the thought of our little girl being pegged as "remedial" when she's actually gifted! (We have tried Yorkie Yummies, peanut butter chips, Cherrios...) Case in point...we're not even supposed to use the word "sit" this week as we practice with the clicker and treats. Our girl sits (if she's not being stubborn) and only wants our applause in return. (Actually at times I think she even tolerates our applause.) One other thing which is too funny not to share. When we got home tonight, she sat at one end of the room for the longest time just looking at my husband and me. It was really funny. We couldn't decide if we had embarrassed her at the class or if she was sitting there showing us her superiority...LOL Regardless of her intent, we got the cold shoulder for about the next half hour. She did make friends with the spaniel though so it was a good night even though she was bored or disgusted with us...LOL I really think my husband and I tried too hard tonight. Sheesh, I don't think I've worked as hard in a class since statistics in graduate school and I left the class tonight with about the same level of knowledge...LOL Has anyone else had their Yorkie in a training class and stressed over it like we are? (By the way, I forgot to mention that we were told not to feed our dogs before class infering that we had... The guy just doesn't get it that she doesn't care for treats! She hadn't eaten in 4 or so hours. I didn't even respond to that though because I was getting pretty defensive of our baby girl by that time.) Grrrrr... |
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10-20-2009, 01:31 AM | #2 |
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| Your little girl sounds a real sweetheart, and if she were mine, i wouldnt want her to change. May i ask the reason you decided to take her to classes? I guess i'm not as strong as you, but if i had been to that first class, i dont think i would have gone back for a second one! Taffy sounds a real character, and very well behaved. She sounds very clever, and when she ignored you for a while, maybe she was saying...all that i do for you and you want more!! lol |
10-20-2009, 02:46 AM | #3 |
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| Our girl works for little bits of the natural balance chubs! They are 99 cents at petco--we break off a little and use that for treats! Works like a charm. We use the lamb or turkey |
10-20-2009, 02:55 AM | #4 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario/Canada
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| We use the dried liver pieces.The only thing Tommy or Jackson will eat. Just a tiny little piece though.I get them at Pet Valu. Your little girl is adorable and sounds like a real sweetheart. |
10-20-2009, 02:58 AM | #5 |
Luv my 7 Furkids Donating Member | Hi Deb, dont know which kind of treats to use, but I think Taffy has to be the smartest, cutest dog in the class. So there! |
10-20-2009, 03:08 AM | #6 |
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| Pieces of natural balance meat rolls are good to use as treats. You can get them at Petco. Mine are really picky about treats also
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10-20-2009, 05:26 AM | #7 |
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| Honestly, it's not really a BAD thing that she won't take treats necessarily. I would love if my dog would listen to me all the time w/o treats but sometimes if I don't have that treat with me, Jackson goes a little ADD and his mind goes elsewhere and decides he doesn't need to listen to me. However, if I've got a treat, he will 100% have his full attention on me. He's a pretty well behaved dog for the most part but I wish I didn't use treats so much but what can ya do? They work With that said, Jackson is VERY picky about his treats too. He will NOT take any kind of hard biscuit-type treat from anybody, and those are generally the treats people pass out at stores, etc. It's kind of embarrassing when Jackson just turns his nose up to their treat, LOL. He however LOVES those Wellness treats. They're little square shaped soft treats and he loves them. I've found them at Petco and Pet Valu. He also loves those tiny Bil Jac treats which are wonderful for training because they're sooo tiny. You can find them at Petsmart, Petco, etc. They're in a little purple bag with a Yorkie on the front. If all else fails with Taffy, I'd be surprised as hell if she didn't take a liking to real meat. Why don't you cook some chicken breasts plain, cut them up into tiny pieces and use that as a reward?
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10-20-2009, 05:37 AM | #8 |
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| sorry but I just had to laugh when I read your story your little girl sounds just amazing not only is she super beautiful she's also super intelligent and full of caracter lol what a sweety.......as far as treats go sorry no suggestions here my two will eat just about anything, no wait let me correct that they'll just eat anything lol. the cooked chicken breast sounds like a good suggestion though. |
10-20-2009, 05:51 AM | #9 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | Thanks so much, everyone! You've given me several things I haven't tried which is a very good thing...LOL MollysMum, one of the main reasons we are taking her to class is to learn how to teach her since she doesn't like treats...LOL...ironic, huh? The primary thing I want her to learn is "stay" because (selfishly, I guess) because I want to get some cute photos of her and for her own safety. She also drives us crazy (!) with her mind games when we play. She wants us to play fetch and she's really great to fetch but she doesn't want to give it back after she fetches it so that we can continue to play. It is cute though...she will drop the toy but then step on it to hold it there or lay on it and then look up at us. The funniest though is that when I tell her I can't reach it, she'll move it about an inch closer to me. And then another inch when I protest...well, you get the picture...LOL (If it's a ball, she just nudges it towards me.) I am rather awed by her intelligence but I need to learn how to use it effectively. Aside from the fun and vain reasons though, she needs to learn "come" because she got away from me once last week. She just did one of her jerk lunges and I didn't have the leash secure on my hand. Scared me to death but luckily there was no traffic on the cul de sac at the time! There is no way I can chase greased lightning so I just tried to keep an eye on where she went, etc. Everything is such an adventure for her! I watched her get 2 houses down and then stop and look back at me. I think at that time I said, "Taffy, get back here now." Anyway, she darted past me and ran into the house (I had taken time to throw open the front door and yell for my husband but of course, he didn't hear me). It scared me so badly that I'm just now able to talk about it but I still remember the panic. This could have been my worst nightmare. As I told my husband last night, I don't want the class to break her spirit, but I do want her to learn enough to be careful. I know she knows what she's doing...she just has a really stubborn will. You can see the intelligence and understanding in her eyes when I tell her something and the little toot can even understand certain words that we've had to start spelling...LOL (I know...everyone thinks we're imaging that but we throw the word...or its spelling into a sentence totally out of context and get the same response!) None of the numerous books we've read to help in training her work since they all are based on treats. Even the guy last night told us he doesn't know how we'll teach her since she doesn't like them unless we use the old way of punishment. I can tell you right now that there is no way that will happen! It is the only real thing that man and I agreed on last night. I wish you guys could have seen her looking at us last night after we got her home. It was the funniest thing in the context of the evening. I think we insulted her by taking her to school...LOL (However, she really did enjoy playing with the spaniel. She impressed the guy again during the free play because she laid down in a submissive way when she met the spaniel...textbook style. By this time though I was wishing she would hold her ground...LOL However, the trainer said something like "Wow, you'll never have to worry about being sued.") I know this is long again but I can't seem to talk about her in words. She is deserving of paragraphs...LOL I'm eager to see how she behaves with us today. I think we really "insulted" her last night by treating her like a dog! Seriously... |
10-20-2009, 06:04 AM | #10 |
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| Mooney loves Wellness Puppy Treats they are great. they are soft but can be broken up even smaller which is what you want w/ clicker training. Good luck the clicker is great |
10-20-2009, 06:17 AM | #11 |
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| For training treats I highly recommend the Natural Balance dog food rolls sold at Petco or the Pet Botanics dog food roll sold at Petsmart. Also you could try boiled chicken breast or string cheese. Most dogs go crazy over the chicken. |
10-20-2009, 06:42 AM | #12 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | Hey! Thanks! I had forgotten all about string cheese. She generally likes cheese in any form. She does love chicken as several have mentioned. She eats that quite often but I'd never thought of trying it as a treat. (Well, I'll take that back. I had thought of trying the freeze-dried chicken breasts that she will eat.) You guys are great with your suggestions! I can't wait to try them. By the way, she's happy as can be this morning. Guess all if forgiven...LOL As far as needing treats for the "sit"... All I have to say is either "sit" or "Taffy, sit" and she plops her little bottom down and looks up at me. Ahhhhhh... |
10-20-2009, 06:44 AM | #13 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| I have three dogs: my Fergus, 10 months old, 5 pounds of completely untrained yorkie. Hamish, my teapot 19 pound yorkie who came to us through rescue and was so happy to be with us he has been obedient about nearly all things since his first few months, and Dante: my 100 pounds of Search and Rescue German Shepherd, who has been training extensively since he was 8 months old in obedience, SAR, and personal protection. For Dante we used chopped up bits of hot dog (because thats what the instructor liked...she held them in her own mouth in the beginining...yuck!), then went to the rolls of fresh food which we called "puppy crack" because all the dogs went mental for it! Fergus listens the way most terriers do: when it suits him! I have a dog that waits for my commands. Sits, stays, heck, he even finds lost kids in the woods when I want him to, and mostly he does this more for love than for treats (which drove my trainers mad....he would ignore treats they dropped on the train in order to get to the "victim" quicker). I finally found a trainer who understood that different dogs have different motivations. Dante will track a lost person for me, the trainer, my SO, but, as my trainer with 20 years of police canines puts it "he works so much harder for YOU". And its true. He loves what he is doing and he does it for ME, because I asked. Find what motivates you baby. If its applause/praise I say go with that and stop trying to mold your dog into the silly spaniel that the trainer is used to. YOU know your dog best, and if the trainer tries to force his methods on a dog that works in a different drive (prey drive, toy drive, food drive, etc) you will end up with an unhappy pet. Sorry this was long. But I have years in this game and trying to find someone knowledgable that recognizes not all dogs are cookie cutter replicas can be hard. And terriers are SMART. They are way smarter than dog trainers. So, let her show you how to do it.
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10-20-2009, 07:03 AM | #14 |
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| I think the trick is to find the thing that Taffy finds rewarding, which is not necessarily a food reward. Does she have a favorite toy? I have seen trainers hand over a 'special squeaky' for a few moments of play after a dog does a good job with a specific behavior. (Daisy has a tiny piggy we found at PetCo that she loves so much; it has exactly the right amount of squish and will fit into her little mouth easily.)
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10-20-2009, 07:06 AM | #15 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Temple GA
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| [QUOTE=r And terriers are SMART. They are way smarter than dog trainers. So, let her show you how to do it.[/QUOTE] I agree with all you said Redvalaria, especially this last line. Last edited by Vwitscher; 10-20-2009 at 07:07 AM. |
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