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mufhtsf · 10-11-2009, 03:53 PM

Breeder is willing to sell pup before she is 12 weeks old???
Is this a red flag not to buy from this person?
Willing to sell pup at 9 weeks seems to soon am I correct??

Micah my love · 10-11-2009, 04:56 PM

that is a matter of opinion plus i think a lot depends on the puppy is it eating good on its own? is it a tiny if so it needs to stay longer has the mom been taken away already? i like to keep mine until they are 9 to 10 wks tinies stay longer.

Britster · 10-11-2009, 04:58 PM

I got Jackson at 9 weeks but he was larger. He's over 12lbs now but as a pup, he was already about 3.5-4lbs.

topknot · 10-11-2009, 05:04 PM

I hold all my pups till at least 12 weeks, no matter the size, except smaller ones I do keep longer. I prefer to see how the pups are developing and what they are looking like, as well as getting them that extra booster, and having them be socialized more with their mom and siblings. They are terriers. Also less stress for them and I never have to worry about one of my pups getting hypolgycemia at their new owner's home. I just would rather be safe than sorry for the pup and the new owner. All around it just makes more sense to hold on to them for min. of 12 weeks.

JeanieK · 10-11-2009, 05:07 PM

Many will sell at 9 or 10 weeks. I like to keep mine til 10 weeks.

tammy8833 · 10-11-2009, 06:15 PM

9 wks is ok

PrincessDiana · 10-11-2009, 06:24 PM

According to the YTCA Code of Conduct (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America), all breeders are to keep puppies until 12 weeks of age. Any breeder I would consider buying from would have to follow that rule. Some people feel differently, though.

ChantalB · 10-11-2009, 07:56 PM

I like to keep my puppies until 10 weeks. 12 for smaller ones.

Mardelin · 10-11-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by topknot

I hold all my pups till at least 12 weeks, no matter the size, except smaller ones I do keep longer. I prefer to see how the pups are developing and what they are looking like, as well as getting them that extra booster, and having them be socialized more with their mom and siblings. They are terriers. Also less stress for them and I never have to worry about one of my pups getting hypolgycemia at their new owner's home. I just would rather be safe than sorry for the pup and the new owner. All around it just makes more sense to hold on to them for min. of 12 weeks.

Totally agree, size has nothing to do with it. It's all about socialization and time with mother teaching them. Most breeders know that when pups are relocating to their new home it is stressful, some will not eat for 24 hours. My practice was to keep them 12 weeks, smaller ones longer, I'm now holding mine a bit longer. Just to make sure they get their 3rd shot, and are completely eating well on their own.

kalina82 · 10-11-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Totally agree, size has nothing to do with it. It's all about socialization and time with mother teaching them. Most breeders know that when pups are relocating to their new home it is stressful, some will not eat for 24 hours. My practice was to keep them 12 weeks, smaller ones longer, I'm now holding mine a bit longer. Just to make sure they get their 3rd shot, and are completely eating well on their own.

exactly. its not just about size of the puppies. its about socialization and sometimes inoculations as well.

MorkieMomii · 10-11-2009, 10:04 PM

Besides not soiling it's bed, what skills does the mother teach the pup in those extra few weeks that help it with it's human family? I have never watched a mother in action so I was wondering exactly what she does and how she does it. Also I wonder if it is easier or more painful for the pup to leave it's original pack(mom and siblings) earlier or later after more bonding has occurred.

topknot · 10-12-2009, 03:34 AM

There is so much that is going on between the mother, siblings and the puppy. For one thing the mom is teaching them to play correctly. Also how to be patient and respectful. I watch mine closely and it is amazing. She also teaches them to love and be close. After they have played they have quite moments where they will get close and touch one another - they also use their paw and mouth to touch one another is a very sweet way. Humans cannot not do this in just the same way - it is different. Yorkies are terriers! I have seen some pups of others and it just seems like something is missing with them. It is hard to put it into words.
But besides the training they get from their mom staying longer - the pups get an extra booster. I know that would be more money the breeder would have to pay out on a litter, but I think it is better. Also while they go through that they are still home and would not have to go through more stress thus reducing a chance of getting hypoglcemia. Think about it this way - the pup leaves younger, stressed out due to new environment, then they go to the vets with new owner - more stress, then they get a shot - added stress to what they already have - and some do not eat when they go to their new home - more stress. No wonder all these young pups get stressed out and get sick. As a breeder to my pups - I do not want them to ever get sick or stressed out - Reason I keep my longer added with them being terriers and best to have that longer relationship with their mom - you want them to be very well adjusted pups. So I hold on to my till at least 12 weeks. And yes - the YTCA does say to keep pups till they are a min. of 12 weeks because they feel it is best.
Yes, keeping pups longer would mean more work cleaning up after them and more money with an extra vet bill for the extra booster - but it is doing what is best for the pups, in my opinion.

SET Yorkies · 10-12-2009, 04:00 AM

We hold our puppies back for at least 15 weeks so that we can give all 4 rounds of vaccinations and have a uranalysis and a comprehensive well check completed prior to puppies going home. The extra time does, as other have explained, aid in socialization; however, it also gives the breeder a heads up on any issues like PSS as symptoms generally do not appearer prior to 12 weeks.... Anyway, I also use that extra time for beginner training, ect.... IMO, anyone who allows puppies to leave in the 6 to 9 week range is just not wanting to spend the extra money on vacs and vet checks, by 6 weeks, puppies start getting really messy and are a lot of work.... at least that is what I see often in this area, although I would expect that is a common issue.... they want those puppies out as quickly as possible.

Mardelin · 10-12-2009, 04:53 AM

Not soiling in their bed is just one step, mothers teach their pups. With my pups this usually happens around 4 weeks of age, when they are able to meander out of their whelping bed on their own. There is so much more that mothers teach their pups; how to enteract with each other; within the pack; what the pecking order is within the pack, acceptable behavior. If a breeder is doing their job correctly they are assessing every pup assessing the litter's temperament to better place them in a home enviornment that is best suited for the pup, ensuring that the new family will have an easy transition and both will have a long happy relationship.

Breeders are also training are training pups, grooming, basic commands, interacting with them on a daily basis.

As far as making it more difficult for a pup to leave the breeders home, allowing the pup extra time to mentally mature and given more socialization time a pup can better handle changes at 12 weeks or older than they can at 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 weeks.

BamaFan121s · 10-12-2009, 12:17 PM

Generally speaking, yes, it would be a huge red flag to me for a breeder to let one go at only 9 weeks.

10-11-2009, 03:53 PM	#1
mufhtsf YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bethlehem NH Posts: 7	Breeder is will to sell pup....... Breeder is willing to sell pup before she is 12 weeks old??? Is this a red flag not to buy from this person? Willing to sell pup at 9 weeks seems to soon am I correct??

10-11-2009, 04:56 PM	#2
Micah my love Donating YT 100K Club Member & Top YorkieTalk Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: western KY Posts: 108,935	that is a matter of opinion plus i think a lot depends on the puppy is it eating good on its own? is it a tiny if so it needs to stay longer has the mom been taken away already? i like to keep mine until they are 9 to 10 wks tinies stay longer. __________________ Betty & Micah my love + Yogi

10-11-2009, 04:58 PM	#3
Britster Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,814	I got Jackson at 9 weeks but he was larger. He's over 12lbs now but as a pup, he was already about 3.5-4lbs. __________________ ~ Brit & Lights! Camera! Jackson! CGC ETD TKP ~ Follow Jackson on Instagram: https://instagram.com/jacksontheterrier

10-11-2009, 06:15 PM	#6
tammy8833 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA Posts: 2,775	9 wks is ok __________________ Tammy YT Gallery Lil Girl Princess & Theodore *Gidget R.I.P**

10-11-2009, 06:24 PM	#7
PrincessDiana I ♥ Franklin & Maggie Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,068	According to the YTCA Code of Conduct (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America), all breeders are to keep puppies until 12 weeks of age. Any breeder I would consider buying from would have to follow that rule. Some people feel differently, though. __________________ Diana , Mommy to Franklin, Maggie, Oliver, and Millie - RIP Piper

10-11-2009, 05:04 PM	#4
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I hold all my pups till at least 12 weeks, no matter the size, except smaller ones I do keep longer. I prefer to see how the pups are developing and what they are looking like, as well as getting them that extra booster, and having them be socialized more with their mom and siblings. They are terriers. Also less stress for them and I never have to worry about one of my pups getting hypolgycemia at their new owner's home. I just would rather be safe than sorry for the pup and the new owner. All around it just makes more sense to hold on to them for min. of 12 weeks.

10-11-2009, 05:07 PM	#5
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	Many will sell at 9 or 10 weeks. I like to keep mine til 10 weeks.

10-11-2009, 07:56 PM	#8
ChantalB Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,042	I like to keep my puppies until 10 weeks. 12 for smaller ones.

10-11-2009, 10:04 PM	#11
MorkieMomii Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 225	Besides not soiling it's bed, what skills does the mother teach the pup in those extra few weeks that help it with it's human family? I have never watched a mother in action so I was wondering exactly what she does and how she does it. Also I wonder if it is easier or more painful for the pup to leave it's original pack(mom and siblings) earlier or later after more bonding has occurred. __________________ Mary

10-12-2009, 03:34 AM	#12
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	There is so much that is going on between the mother, siblings and the puppy. For one thing the mom is teaching them to play correctly. Also how to be patient and respectful. I watch mine closely and it is amazing. She also teaches them to love and be close. After they have played they have quite moments where they will get close and touch one another - they also use their paw and mouth to touch one another is a very sweet way. Humans cannot not do this in just the same way - it is different. Yorkies are terriers! I have seen some pups of others and it just seems like something is missing with them. It is hard to put it into words. But besides the training they get from their mom staying longer - the pups get an extra booster. I know that would be more money the breeder would have to pay out on a litter, but I think it is better. Also while they go through that they are still home and would not have to go through more stress thus reducing a chance of getting hypoglcemia. Think about it this way - the pup leaves younger, stressed out due to new environment, then they go to the vets with new owner - more stress, then they get a shot - added stress to what they already have - and some do not eat when they go to their new home - more stress. No wonder all these young pups get stressed out and get sick. As a breeder to my pups - I do not want them to ever get sick or stressed out - Reason I keep my longer added with them being terriers and best to have that longer relationship with their mom - you want them to be very well adjusted pups. So I hold on to my till at least 12 weeks. And yes - the YTCA does say to keep pups till they are a min. of 12 weeks because they feel it is best. Yes, keeping pups longer would mean more work cleaning up after them and more money with an extra vet bill for the extra booster - but it is doing what is best for the pups, in my opinion.

10-12-2009, 04:00 AM	#13
SET Yorkies Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Beaumont Texas Posts: 285	We hold 15 weeks We hold our puppies back for at least 15 weeks so that we can give all 4 rounds of vaccinations and have a uranalysis and a comprehensive well check completed prior to puppies going home. The extra time does, as other have explained, aid in socialization; however, it also gives the breeder a heads up on any issues like PSS as symptoms generally do not appearer prior to 12 weeks.... Anyway, I also use that extra time for beginner training, ect.... IMO, anyone who allows puppies to leave in the 6 to 9 week range is just not wanting to spend the extra money on vacs and vet checks, by 6 weeks, puppies start getting really messy and are a lot of work.... at least that is what I see often in this area, although I would expect that is a common issue.... they want those puppies out as quickly as possible.

10-12-2009, 04:53 AM	#14
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Not soiling in their bed is just one step, mothers teach their pups. With my pups this usually happens around 4 weeks of age, when they are able to meander out of their whelping bed on their own. There is so much more that mothers teach their pups; how to enteract with each other; within the pack; what the pecking order is within the pack, acceptable behavior. If a breeder is doing their job correctly they are assessing every pup assessing the litter's temperament to better place them in a home enviornment that is best suited for the pup, ensuring that the new family will have an easy transition and both will have a long happy relationship. Breeders are also training are training pups, grooming, basic commands, interacting with them on a daily basis. As far as making it more difficult for a pup to leave the breeders home, allowing the pup extra time to mentally mature and given more socialization time a pup can better handle changes at 12 weeks or older than they can at 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 weeks. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

10-12-2009, 12:17 PM	#15
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Generally speaking, yes, it would be a huge red flag to me for a breeder to let one go at only 9 weeks.