This is just sad....

[Ichabob]

My Husband and I rehome a JRT when the owner was unable to take her back, my husband wanted to keep her, I on the other hand knew the JRT breed from other people and I wanted no part of it. My husband won out and Gracie stayed she was 3 yrs old and crazy as a loon, still is and she has tried my patience to no end. to be honest I have thought of trying to rehome her still after 3yrs of her being with us, it's just a threat I could never do it because I know she would be rehome again and again, she is that difficult at times, but she can be good at times and she always has a sweet nature, so I just bite my lip and say bad words under my breath and count to 50 when she gets the best of me.

[JeanieK]

If breeders did not rehome their retired breeders, eventually there qwould be no more puppies for us yorkie lovers to buy. Then the price of retired breeders would go up because people would be willing to pay for them since they can't get puppies.

I know there are a lot of them being taken to rescues, but I doubt that those breeders tried hard to rehome them.

There are a lot of people out there wanting adult purebred dogs that have been taken care of.

People often do not want rescue dogs because so many of them come with problems. But are delighted to get a dog that has been spay/neutered, teeth cleaned and is in excellent condition.

Puppy millers cannot rehome theirs because they are terrified, matted, unsocialized, and the list goes on.

I rehomed a stud after I had him neutered and teeth cleaned. I gave him to a previous buyer who wanted a second dog but could not afford one. So he went to a home that was delighted to get him. My biggest concern for him was to get him into a home with another dog since he was used to being with other dogs.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I think you are being very unfair to, what you refer to as BYBs. I prefer "hobby breeder", and I have yet to make any kind of a profit. I breed because I enjoy breeding, but I'm sure not going to get rich from it. I do not breed to all of the YTCA standards, but I do breed healthy, good tempered, well socialized dogs.

Not all "bybs" are created equal, and not all show breeders have the best interest of the breed in mind. they are not doing it for profit, they are doing it for the "Blue ribbon".

Many breeds have health issues due to the selective show breeding. If the dog is a champion on the outside, many show breeders do not care what is going on, on the inside.

Judges know that dogs with flat faces have breathing issues, yet the flatter the face the more likely they are to win the ribbons. GSDs crouch because their hind quarters are weak, GSDs of the past did not have that crouch. King Charles Spaniels have weak hearts deafness and siezures due to their flat skuls, but the flatter the skull the better the chance of winning.

So to all of you who do not know better, don't let the title "show breeder' fool you.

There are good and bad hobby breeders and good and bad show breeders.

In fact many show breeders have quit showing because they did not like the way the breed was going. But they enjoy breeding so now they are considered BYB's.

When I say backyard breeder, I mean one small step up from a puppy mill. I think the general consensus is that a small home breeder is the polar opposite of a puppy mill, and my point is that a backyard breeder is not a good place to buy your dog from either. These dogs may live in a person's home, but this person has spent little time studying about the breed, and breeding. They sell their pets to anyone with the money and don't care if a yorkie is not the right match with that particular family. They tend to breed whatever they have on hand, accidentally or on purpose. Hobby breeding, on the other hand, is the type of breeder I choose to support. Hobby breeders love reading and learning about their hobbies, they always want to learn more and hone their skills. Hobbies are a passion, but few people make money from them, and should never be the goal for the hobby. I don't believe just because someone doesn't show they are a backyard breeder. I'm only saying that many loving dedicated breeders find good homes for their exbreeders, and we should not judge someone as a breeder, just because they rehome retired breeders.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

If breeders did not rehome their retired breeders, eventually there qwould be no more puppies for us yorkie lovers to buy. Then the price of retired breeders would go up because people would be willing to pay for them since they can't get puppies.

I know there are a lot of them being taken to rescues, but I doubt that those breeders tried hard to rehome them.

There are a lot of people out there wanting adult purebred dogs that have been taken care of.

People often do not want rescue dogs because so many of them come with problems. But are delighted to get a dog that has been spay/neutered, teeth cleaned and is in excellent condition.

Puppy millers cannot rehome theirs because they are terrified, matted, unsocialized, and the list goes on.

I rehomed a stud after I had him neutered and teeth cleaned. I gave him to a previous buyer who wanted a second dog but could not afford one. So he went to a home that was delighted to get him. My biggest concern for him was to get him into a home with another dog since he was used to being with other dogs.

I think you like any others have a misconception of what many rescues and the dogs that they have really are all about. Yes, some rescues "specialize" in just mill rescues but many dogs that are in rescues right now are owner surrenders. With the economy the way that it is people are not able to properly take care of their pets and the lucky ones that are not dropped off at the local shelter or left behind are turned over to rescues. It is very sad how many wonderful little yorkies are just waiting at a rescue for a new loving home because their family could no longer take care of them.

If more people were aware of what wonderful pets a rescue really could be more people would be willing to adopt.

[3FurryFaces]

I am relatively new to YT, and this is one of the toughest topics I see keep coming up, but here goes... All breeders are not equal, whatever you call them - hobby, backyard, or puppymills. I grew up with my parents breeding German Shepherds and Rotties. Most parent clubs of purebreed AKC clubs ask breeders to include clauses in their contracts for the dogs to be returned to the breeder NOT SHELTERS. These reputable breeders are very concerned with where their dogs are for their entire lives. That life may be in the breeders home or a pet home, and yes, some dogs get retired. I know breeders who have set up wills and have arranged with other breeders, who share their bloodlines, etc.. to be responsible for the dogs after their own passing or inability to continue as a breeder/shower. I know breeders who can not part with their adults and those who do so reluctantly. My personal acquaintances are often more concerned about adult placements because "everyone loves a puppy." Since most purebred dogs in pet homes still come from pet stores and chains (they support the larger breeder operations which are mostly the puppy mills we often see raided in the news) there are no return policies. I am not saying that there aren't some nice dogs in rescue, only that they came through someone who did not followup or keep in touch with their breeder or came from a NO RETURN policy place. If they contacted their breeder - and that person is among the respectable breeders -that dog would not end up in rescue. Breeders placing a dog in rescue is not responsible breeding. Our contracts spelled out responsibilities of the owners which included basic obedience - no one wants a dog with bad habits. Breeders can do all in their power to find a good home and assure it a safe place to be returned, but they can't make the owner return it or rehome it responsibly. Dogs that find their way into rescue are not the fault of responsible breeders - irresponsible pet owners are.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces

I am relatively new to YT, and this is one of the toughest topics I see keep coming up, but here goes... All breeders are not equal, whatever you call them - hobby, backyard, or puppymills. I grew up with my parents breeding German Shepherds and Rotties. Most parent clubs of purebreed AKC clubs ask breeders to include clauses in their contracts for the dogs to be returned to the breeder NOT SHELTERS. These reputable breeders are very concerned with where their dogs are for their entire lives. That life may be in the breeders home or a pet home, and yes, some dogs get retired. I know breeders who have set up wills and have arranged with other breeders, who share their bloodlines, etc.. to be responsible for the dogs after their own passing or inability to continue as a breeder/shower. I know breeders who can not part with their adults and those who do so reluctantly. My personal acquaintances are often more concerned about adult placements because "everyone loves a puppy." Since most purebred dogs in pet homes still come from pet stores and chains (they support the larger breeder operations which are mostly the puppy mills we often see raided in the news) there are no return policies. I am not saying that there aren't some nice dogs in rescue, only that they came through someone who did not followup or keep in touch with their breeder or came from a NO RETURN policy place. If they contacted their breeder - and that person is among the respectable breeders -that dog would not end up in rescue. Breeders placing a dog in rescue is not responsible breeding. Our contracts spelled out responsibilities of the owners which included basic obedience - no one wants a dog with bad habits. Breeders can do all in their power to find a good home and assure it a safe place to be returned, but they can't make the owner return it or rehome it responsibly. Dogs that find their way into rescue are not the fault of responsible breeders - irresponsible pet owners are.

I agree with all that you have said EXCEPT for you last sentence. Dogs that end up in rescue are not the fault of responsible breeders irresponsible breeders who do not have lifetime contracts just should not be breeding and of course irresponsible pet owners as well. Then you have the sick dogs that are bred by those irresponsible breeders being purchased by uneducated pet owners. All adds up to a HUGE mess!

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I agree with all that you have said EXCEPT for you last sentence. Dogs that end up in rescue are not the fault of responsible breeders irresponsible breeders who do not have lifetime contracts just should not be breeding and of course irresponsible pet owners as well. Then you have the sick dogs that are bred by those irresponsible breeders being purchased by uneducated pet owners. All adds up to a HUGE mess!

I agree...it all starts with the breeders. I do not believe we would have the pet overpopulation if the breeders were forced to take back their dogs they bred and then find them new homes. I am sure there are only a handful here on YT that have this commitment.

I have always said if the breeders had to pay the price for the shelters and rescues then the numbers of dogs bred every year would go down drastically. It has become very acccepptable that dogs and cats are products to be sold, used and thrown away.

Reputable breeders will always take their dogs back and find them a good home and they have stated this in their contract and they make sure the new owner understands this.

[greyacresmom]

Originally Posted by bailie

im reading,, breeding bitch all her day, not used to carpet or people or children,exercised in a yard even though she lives in the woods, done her deed now time to go unless i have read it wrong

Why do people always forget that to some this is they way they make a living. No matter how we feel about our's, or how we feel about breeding: you must admit that it "sounds" like she was a good breeder.

To me, this is no worse than the owners that give them up because:

1) moving
2) baby/s on the way
3) chews, pee's, poops
4) NOT RESEARCHING THE BREED!!

4 a) then the buyer/owner is all shocked that the lab/german shepard/ (insert any breed here) is more time/money/effort than they can handle.

Don't let things like this upset you to bad. Their out there all over. I went and rescued 5 little ones last year because he was going to "get rid" of about half off his stock. (read kill)

I would much prefer to think that this animal was loved, even for her breeding abilities, and will get a nice couch to lay on for the remainder of her life.

[greyacresmom]

As to the lifetime contracts. In our group we require that they be returned to the group if anything were to make the adopters surrender the animal. Guess what? Have you ever had to take one to court?

Our's did not stand up in the wonderful court of law.

**Yes..it was a SIGNED contract**

[dianaww]

I respect everones opinion, as we all will have different takes on this. Maybe we should look at one positive note here, this little girl can now find a home where someone will give her the time, love, patience & understanding, to house train her, so she can know the warmth of a loving home, in her last years.

She will I am sure learn, when taught with love, surely it is better to look to a happy future, for this dear one.

Let's all hope & prayer she finds the right family, to give her the life we would all wish her to have .......

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by greyacresmom

As to the lifetime contracts. In our group we require that they be returned to the group if anything were to make the adopters surrender the animal. Guess what? Have you ever had to take one to court?

Our's did not stand up in the wonderful court of law.

**Yes..it was a SIGNED contract**

Having done Yorkie rescue out of Tucson I know what you are saying but it depends of which state you are in. Norhting will change until we get the laws changed.

I still say rescues need this in their contract and they need to stay in contact with the adopter so if something is going south maybe they have a chance of getting the dog back.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by greyacresmom

Why do people always forget that to some this is they way they make a living. No matter how we feel about our's, or how we feel about breeding: you must admit that it "sounds" like she was a good breeder.

To me, this is no worse than the owners that give them up because:

1) moving
2) baby/s on the way
3) chews, pee's, poops
4) NOT RESEARCHING THE BREED!!

4 a) then the buyer/owner is all shocked that the lab/german shepard/ (insert any breed here) is more time/money/effort than they can handle.

Don't let things like this upset you to bad. Their out there all over. I went and rescued 5 little ones last year because he was going to "get rid" of about half off his stock. (read kill)

I would much prefer to think that this animal was loved, even for her breeding abilities, and will get a nice couch to lay on for the remainder of her life.

I do think many people on here do realize these poor animals are the ones bringing home the bacon ...and that puppies from these people are just product. While some members say, well at least this girl can now hopefully have a good home...I say we cannot accept this treatment of our companion animals. Dogs being kept in kennels just to produce puppies while we euthanize millions every year at the tax payer expense is wrong on many levels.

We have to keep working on changing our laws.

[Symph2001]

Sounds like my Lilly at least we broke her out before she was 3........

Up side... At least she didn't breed her to death. She got he spayed. She's trying to find someone who just might love her if the price is right. Makes me sad for all the years lost but hopeful that someone nice takes her in....

[3FurryFaces]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I agree with all that you have said EXCEPT for you last sentence. Dogs that end up in rescue are not the fault of responsible breeders irresponsible breeders who do not have lifetime contracts just should not be breeding and of course irresponsible pet owners as well. Then you have the sick dogs that are bred by those irresponsible breeders being purchased by uneducated pet owners. All adds up to a HUGE mess!

That's why my last sentence said "not the fault of responsible breeders". Emphasis on responsible. Good breeders seem to get lumped together with the bad, and there does not seem to be a distinction in some people's minds between the 2. I also agree with people who say we all need to be careful with our usage of terms: puppy mill, backyard breeder, etc, because not everyone is of the same opinion as to what constitutes the "good vs. bad " breeder. Most people can agree on the extremes at either end, but the middle gets blurred for some. If we didn't also have good breeders, who make sure not to breed dogs with hereditary problems - we all would not have nice healthy dogs too! I just think we need to encourage good breeders, educate the public and make sure the government doesn't regulate small scale responsible breeders out of existence. A lot of the proposed states have legislation that becomes so costly and restrictive, that only pet shops and puppy mills do enough "business" to pay the proposed fees for licenses, etc. As for the original reason for the post, it is good that this person is looking for a home that knows the circumstances of this dogs experience. No surprises. Full disclosure and we can't say that she didn't love her dog as much as any of us just because she kept her mostly in a climate controlled kennel. JMO.