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Old 10-07-2009, 09:47 AM   #31
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Default don't trust a pit bull ever!!!

I've seen bodies in the morgue after dog attacks from pits and rotweillers, since I do Forensic dentistry. Also, just last night ironically I watched and episode of Peoples Court where a little bishon had his lower jaw complete ripped off by a bit bull that ran into the owners house and grabbed the dog and wouldn't let go, the friend of the owner stopped by with the pit and wasn't holding the leash tight enough.
There is a reason that homeowners insurance don't cover people who have certain types of dogs, namely the two above, Akita's, etc, at least here in California.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:04 AM   #32
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I just want to say a word about socialization of our pups. We have done all we can to socialize our two since we have had them and I think they are pretty well socialized. Since they were little puppies we have taken them everywhere, to the pet stores as often as possible, many pet carnivals and dog events each year (we just went to a pet carnival this past weekend where there were about 300 dogs and they were great socializers). We have at least 3 doggie halloween parties that we plan to attend this month and we go to every year--they do great. The reason I mainly like to attend these events is to keep them socialized.

I walk them in a park every day where they meet old friends as well as new dogs of all sizes and for the most part they are great. They meet an occasional dog at the park that they don't seem to like but that is rare. I walk them at the park all year long and if it is raining or the path has ice on it I will take them to Petsmart and walk them there where they usually meet more dogs.

I think as much as anything they receive a surprise each time the pits (I call them the freight trains) run to the fence and they are reacting to the surprise. There has never been a dog in that yard in the 6 years I have had them so you can imagine that they are startled when the dogs come charging to the fence.

We had a problem with the dog in the yard behind us charging the fence and ours charged it too at first. After a lot of work I got them to calm down and walk away from the fence as soon as they reached the fence. The dog in the other yard continued to charge the entire time mine were in the yard but mine ignored it. But I never could get them to NOT charge at the fence when the other dog initiates the charge.

When I first got them, the first dog they made friends with was a very gentle german shepard that my friend owned. They were the best of friends and when we would go to Petsmart I noticed that they always wanted to run up to the big dogs to make friends and the seemed a little afraid of little dogs. I was a little worried that they would only like big dogs so I made sure that they met a lot of small dogs too. I still make sure that they continue to meet other dogs.

I don't usually dress them in the yard except a rain coat if it is raining. And I will have to put sweaters or coats on them in the winter. That's about it.

I just wanted to mention this because I know it seems like they might not be used to being around other dogs but they are around a lot of other dogs constantly.
I don't know if this post was mainly directed to my post or not, but I didn't mean for mine to be directed necessarily towards you LOL. We seem to be on the same exact page with the socialization thing! Yeah totally understandable! Dogs will be dogs! If another dog is charging the fence, your dogs have every right to do it back honestly. It's what dogs do.

Like I said, what a shame, sucky situation. That you can no longer feel safe in your own backyard. Those Pits do not seem like trustworthy dogs, and I am not necessarily against any breed. They just don't seem stable.
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If I were you I would invest in an electric fence box and run the wire across the top of the fence. Id also put a tarp up so they couldnt see each other. I would be so scared to even let mine outside.
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DO you have a patio or back porch that you can section off just for your yorkie's ? Make a safe place for them to be outside? Without the threat of 2 pit bulls who can easily jump over the fence , attacking your to little dogs?
Pit Bulls are number one whe it comes to dog attacks and on humans. No matter how "nice" the pitbulls owners say they are, a Pit Bull has that drive in them, And tragedy is what will bound to happen .
Even keeping your 2 yorkies on a longer leash outside in your yard is not going to prevent one or both those Pit bulls from jumping over the fence and attacking. It is quick, painful, and over in seconds . Never , trust a pit , around or near a small dog.
I have seen those things attack and kill medium sized dogs. They kill each other when trained to do so . They fight to the death , Pit Bulls , they are huge, majestic cannines. And have a bad reputation because of their volitile nature.
If you can't place a higher fence, maybe making something on your patio or porch is a safer approach , if this cannot happen, then I would suggest, to you your 2 yorkies , wil need to be going on more walks , to use the bathroom . I would not even take the chance of having my two little toy dogs out in the yard, knowing that pits are right next door, with easy acsess to my little dogs.
Their is too much to leave for chance, and it is now wise to do that, or believe that it won;t ever happen. Because IMHO , it is going to happen one of these days, and it will be the Yorkies who are going to lose. Lose big time.
A lot of yorkie owners use indoor potty systems, that might be something you may have to consider.
When safety is compromised , it is up to us to do everything in our power to protect our precious Yorkies from harm. This is a tragedy waiting to happen.
Do what you have to do to protect your Yorkies from harm. The more agitated these pit bulls become, just by hearing the barking from the otherside of the fence, and certainly by smelling your 2 dogs, is only increasing their stress levels. You 2 yorkie's are also stressed out by the Pit Bulls.
Do not leave this to chance. Keep them safe, at all times. And please do not feel like you need to introduce the Pits to your Yorkies, it will not be a good situation. They do not know each other, or grew up together, that is the only time I believe it could work .
NOT with 2 strange , new Pit Bulls . Do your part as a yorkie dog owner , to protect them from those Pit Bulls . I am sorry you have to deal with this, but SAFETY is number one priority.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:55 PM   #35
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I would put a larger fence up; just to be safe.
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This might sound crazy to some people but I would not let my dog go in the backyard even on a leash. Like many posters said, tragedy happens in a split second. I have seen big strong men lose control of their dogs and those weren't even pitbulls. I don't let mine socialize with large breeds because even play from the bigger dog could hurt my baby. I agree with the poster that said to consider indoor potty training and if not definitely go for walks. It is so devastating for you that your babies had freedom in their yard and now that is taken away from them. I would not let my guard down for a minute. I am just so sad for you to have to go through this.
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Go here and see how many 100's of ways you don't want your Yorkie's to meet the Pit Bulls. Common Sense Dangerous Dog Laws - Legislate and Regulate Dangerous Dogs - DogsBite.org So many people say how friendly their Pits are and never attacked anyone until now lol. Yorkies can be very noisy and aggressive and if the Pitts and Yorkies are charging the fence you need to put a buffer in between so they cannot see each other and you need to somehow get that fence higher even if you use sheets of lattice. The tarp might work so they can't see each other but a 3' fence is nothing. Even the Yorkies could get over it if they tried. Pits can jump a 6' fence but at least it would give you a little comfort knowing it would be a little harder. This is just my opinion but if you read the website it will horrify you and let you know what triggers Pit bulls. Hopefully nothing ever happens. Take care, good luck, Sue
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I think I would be nervous if any big dogs lived next door. I would be careful. Remember that just because a big dog isn't TRYING to harm a small dog...doesn't mean they won't. I have seen bigger dogs walk around and accidently step on a small dog, so having dogs next door that may jumped the fence and live in the moment...would make me think twice about letting my dogs near them. They just had a thing on TV where a chi dug into the neighbors yard and was killed by the lab.
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I would put up a 10 foot tall privacy fence ! pit bull don't trust them ! if they get over the fence they will hurt your baby's ..I would stay out side with your baby's tell you get a bigger FENCE
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I totally agree with putting up a taller fence. Our past neighbors had a huge rottie, don't get me wrong, I like big dogs..........but NOT around my little ones! It only takes a few seconds and the precious little ones can receive horrible injuries or be killed. We didn't want to take the chance so, we put up a chain link fence and added three rows of barb wire at the top. We also put up a tall privacy fence between us and the neighbors so the dogs couldn't see each other. I know many people would say this is over kill, but I don't care, I just wanted my girls safe and now they are. It isn't just our dogs we have to worry about, we also have grandchildren that I wanted protected. It is a shame that we sometimes have to go to "extremes" however we have to protect what cannot protect themselves.
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I don't know if this post was mainly directed to my post or not, but I didn't mean for mine to be directed necessarily towards you LOL. We seem to be on the same exact page with the socialization thing! Yeah totally understandable! Dogs will be dogs! If another dog is charging the fence, your dogs have every right to do it back honestly. It's what dogs do.

Like I said, what a shame, sucky situation. That you can no longer feel safe in your own backyard. Those Pits do not seem like trustworthy dogs, and I am not necessarily against any breed. They just don't seem stable.
Oh no, I wasn't directing this to anyone in at all. LOL Sorry if you thought that. I saw that some people were implying that if your dog isn't socialized they will sometimes go crazy when another dog is near them. I just wanted to say that they are always being socialized and I hope not over socialized. I really don't worry too much about them meeting a lot of other dogs because they are 14 lbs. If they were super tiny I don't think I would want them meeting many bigger dogs.

I am glad to hear everyone's opinion about my situation. It has made me much more scared and cautious about this situation. I won't let my babies be in danger and I realized that if the pits got into our yard my babies would not have a chance against them. I put too much trust in the neighbors telling me how friendly they are and that they will not jump the fence. My husband believed them too and now I have to convince him that we have been making a big mistake.

I'm going to talk to my husband today about putting up a tall fence ASAP. Until then I am keeping them in a little penned off area where the pits won't be able to see them and continue taking them to the park for walks.

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If I were you I would invest in an electric fence box and run the wire across the top of the fence. Id also put a tarp up so they couldnt see each other. I would be so scared to even let mine outside.
Can you tell me what an electric fence box is? I will check into it. Also, the tarp seems like a good idea too. Thanks.
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DO you have a patio or back porch that you can section off just for your yorkie's ? Make a safe place for them to be outside? Without the threat of 2 pit bulls who can easily jump over the fence , attacking your to little dogs?
Pit Bulls are number one whe it comes to dog attacks and on humans. No matter how "nice" the pitbulls owners say they are, a Pit Bull has that drive in them, And tragedy is what will bound to happen .
Even keeping your 2 yorkies on a longer leash outside in your yard is not going to prevent one or both those Pit bulls from jumping over the fence and attacking. It is quick, painful, and over in seconds . Never , trust a pit , around or near a small dog.
I have seen those things attack and kill medium sized dogs. They kill each other when trained to do so . They fight to the death , Pit Bulls , they are huge, majestic cannines. And have a bad reputation because of their volitile nature.
If you can't place a higher fence, maybe making something on your patio or porch is a safer approach , if this cannot happen, then I would suggest, to you your 2 yorkies , wil need to be going on more walks , to use the bathroom . I would not even take the chance of having my two little toy dogs out in the yard, knowing that pits are right next door, with easy acsess to my little dogs.
Their is too much to leave for chance, and it is now wise to do that, or believe that it won;t ever happen. Because IMHO , it is going to happen one of these days, and it will be the Yorkies who are going to lose. Lose big time.
A lot of yorkie owners use indoor potty systems, that might be something you may have to consider.
When safety is compromised , it is up to us to do everything in our power to protect our precious Yorkies from harm. This is a tragedy waiting to happen.
Do what you have to do to protect your Yorkies from harm. The more agitated these pit bulls become, just by hearing the barking from the otherside of the fence, and certainly by smelling your 2 dogs, is only increasing their stress levels. You 2 yorkie's are also stressed out by the Pit Bulls.
Do not leave this to chance. Keep them safe, at all times. And please do not feel like you need to introduce the Pits to your Yorkies, it will not be a good situation. They do not know each other, or grew up together, that is the only time I believe it could work .
NOT with 2 strange , new Pit Bulls . Do your part as a yorkie dog owner , to protect them from those Pit Bulls . I am sorry you have to deal with this, but SAFETY is number one priority.
Thanks for your great post. Yes, I can close off my deck and keep them there. I think I got confused reading some of the threads about how friendly people's pits are with their yorkies. I see that is a totally diff situation when they have grown up together.

These 2 pits never had a backyard to run in before this. They were in a apt. and taken on walks. They are going nuts getting used to a yard and yesterday I saw one of them jumping up at the trunk of a tree and his back legs were so high he could EASILY clear the little 3 foot fence and maybe even a 6 foot fence. He is a young dog and very full of energy. VERY SCARY. The neighbor has been taking a stick and beating the dogs' behind when they run to the fence. I question whether it is right to do that and it is scaring me too that the dogs will just get meaner. I'm going to keep Daisy and Teddy totally away from the back yard for now. Thanks.
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Amen sista! I agree with you completely.....our "watch care" over these small babies is just part of good sense. Would you take a human baby out in the back yard and be one single inch away? (much less the length of a leash) Sorry, I have zero objectivity since this has already happened to us. We were in our own garage (door open) and our neighbor was doing the same thing. His dog ran over and attacked our baby. Our little one survived and his dog was PTS as it had (on record) eaten a few cats. No wiggle room. No margin for error. We were wrong for not being more careful. But we learned our lesson the hard way. Our neighbors loved their aggressive dog for "protection" and the whole neighborhood was in a uproar. Introduce? Make friends? Socialize? Not now, not EVER!
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Amen sista! I agree with you completely.....our "watch care" over these small babies is just part of good sense. Would you take a human baby out in the back yard and be one single inch away? (much less the length of a leash) Sorry, I have zero objectivity since this has already happened to us. We were in our own garage (door open) and our neighbor was doing the same thing. His dog ran over and attacked our baby. Our little one survived and his dog was PTS as it had (on record) eaten a few cats. No wiggle room. No margin for error. We were wrong for not being more careful. But we learned our lesson the hard way. Our neighbors loved their aggressive dog for "protection" and the whole neighborhood was in a uproar. Introduce? Make friends? Socialize? Not now, not EVER!
Oh my gosh, I am so sorry this happened to you. It makes me so angry.

Someone came to the neighbor's door the other day and their pits ran out onto the porch. It was scary to see that and if it happened when we were walking our pups to the car they would very possibly attack them. Unfortunately our driveway is between our house and theirs. I feel so bad that I have been so stupid as to put our babies in so much danger. I just don't feel safe anymore. Nice that the neighbors feel safe with their pit bulls though.
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