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docking tails for yorkies illegal Why is it that in Germany it illegal to dock the tails of Yorkie Biewers aka Biewers akc Beiwer ala pom pon etc... and yet we in the United States won't pass that law. FYI this is not a posting on whether the Biewer is a seperate Terrier or part of the Yorkie family. It is about what can be done if anything about making it illegal to dock yorkies tails. Yes I dock tails as I am a breeder and I conform to the standards of AKC though mine are CKC registered, but I would love for a new standard to be in place. I know they are cute with docked tails, no disputing that. But if amputating something can be avoided ..why not. I have seen some beautiful yorkies with long tails as well. I am basically curious as to if anyone has information or if any laws are being worked on for this. Not interested in starting a long debate on it. Just simply curious. I do understand the health and hazards of dewclaws, but not the tail. If anyone could tell me if there is a reason other than cosmetic that would be appreciated. I am not being sarcastic, I just truly don't know :) |
It use to be legal in England as well, but an animal rights group got involved, and showed videos of many inexperienced breeders butchering the tails. This prompted people to outlaw it altogether, and other European countries followed. Many experienced breeders claim it is not painful if done early enough and using the proper techniques, however there will always be those, who don't bother to read up on using the right techniques and will cause pain and mutilation. I have mixed feelings on the procedure. Joey's breeder docks a little longer than average, and I like this look, and don't care for the stubby look of too short of tail, you know, hardly an inch. I do wish we had some sort of a law that it should be done by an experienced vet, or a breeder who has passed some sort of test. I read too many threads about newbie breeders not wanting to pay a vet $5.00-20.00 to do it, and they want to do themselves, and are willing to learn all about it through a forum thread. I think this sort of thing happening will cause it to be outlawed here too. |
Yes I agree and I do dock (my vet physically does it). I do hope it becomes outlawed. I just wondering is someone or a group was working on it. My vet cuts the tail, cauterizes it and puts a stitch in it. I watched once. ONLY once! The puppies did squeal whether that be from pain or fear I am sure a plethora if comments would side with one or the other or both. If your not a puppy yourself how would you know. I have seen some of mine act like nothing ever happened then the others squeal very loud. I must say though even if someone could say there is no pain...just the stress alone to mom and pups should make it outlawed:) |
1 Attachment(s) Yorkies look cute with or without tails without a doubt but I don't like the idea of chopping any parts off of animals if it isn't necessary so here is Tia wagging her tail and I look forward to that wag every time I see her. Attachment 293908 |
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I do like the tails and when I find a reputable IBC Biewer breeder to purchase from, I will happily enjoy the darlings little tail!!!! I cannot wait until the yorkie falls under the same regulations for their little tails |
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Jackson's got his tail and I love it and so does everyone else who sees it :) I don't find it to be "cruel" per say but I do think it's a completely unnecessary procedure and shouldn't be done. It just seems so pointless to me. Why should we cut off a dog's tail just so they can have a certain look that humans want? I love being able to see Jackson express his full tail, wagging! |
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I too think it is totally unnecessary and many will still try to defend this procedure by saying it is for 'hygeine reasons' or to 'prevent tail injuries'...these just sounds like weak excuses to me for a procedure they know deep down is wrong and uncalled for...its dated in my opinion and it is about time this beautiful breed was celebrated in its full entireity.....the sooner the top show yorkies are being shown with complete full tail the better. I love my Pixie's tail...its so pretty...she has long silky hair on hers which i brush out everyday..it is truly beautiful and never stops wagging...why would you want to remove it?:confused: |
All docking and cropping done for breed standards in the U.S. is done to achieve "beauty" in the eyes of humans. What God gave them is not quite good enough, and humans think it can be improved :rolleyes:. For most of the rest of the world, it's considered animal cruelty to "mutilate" an animal. Dogs from the U.S. are not allowed to be shown in European shows if they've been "cosmetically altered". My pups conformed to U.S. standards when I got them; if they didn't have their tails docked, it wouldn't have made a difference to me because I had no intention of ever showing them. I must say, however, that I appreciate that they don't have dewclaws anymore: those have always annoyed me. |
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My Reesie still has his dewclaws and the vet said we should have them removed when he gets neutered. They do not seem to bother him, or me for that matter. Why are they routinely removed? What are the health reasons? |
I fostered a boy yorkie a while back. he had his dewclaws in. As a matter of fact, he even had some double teeth. His prior vet didn't bother to fix the teeth or mention dewclaws to the original owner when he was neutered, not good. Anyway, he hated people touching his feet. And it was reeeeeeeeally hard to clip his nails, esp the dewclaws. if not clipped, they can grow in a circular way and end up growing up into itself and into the skin (if that makes sense), causing pain. But if your dog is ok with nail clippings and feet handling, I guess it wouldn't matter then. |
I thought I read somewhere that it is not considered a fault for showing if a yorkie has a full tail? Is that only in the UK? |
I agree that if docking is done it should be done by a vet or a QUALIFIED person. Bandit was our first dog and we got him from a backyard breeder and he was extremely sick, very mistreated, and came to us with a plethora of physical illnesses and some issues. We even got $100 off because they CUT HIS TAIL OFF!!! They said it just "happens" sometimes when they (themselves...so scary after seeing their house and the dogs there!) dock the tails. When our second dog was in puppy class, there were 2 dobermans who were four months old who had their tails and ears docked. They were obviously in pain and uncomfortable even 1 and 2 weeks after the procedure. As for the dew claw, I'm personally glad they had theirs removed! |
Docking was originally carried out because the yorkie was a working dog (ratter). The tail was removed to ensure that there was nothing 'additional' which rats could attack, giving the dog the advantage every time. The same applies to the Jack Russell. Here in the UK it's illegal to dock - but I believe that a special certificate can be had if your dog is (provably) a working dog, when docking can be carried out for safety reasons (although this is rare, I'm told). |
The law over here changed in 1991 so that only qualified vets could dock tails, their main body ruled it could only be done for medical reasons but a number still continued to do it- it brought in good money, some charging alot for the process to be done. Problem was as no breeder would give out the name of any vet who docked so they could be prosecuted in was un-forcable as many people continued to dock for themselves. Its only been recently it was made illigal to dock pet dogs, though working types can be docked. Some show breeders get around the law by regestering their pups with the Irish kennel club as its still legal in Ireland, its now illigal to show a docked dog of a formally traditionally docked breed but only at shows where the public have to pay an entry fee. If breeders want to continue to dock tails they are finding ways around the ban. There have been changes to the breed standards to allow for tails but I think its going to be many years before theres any conformaty. Alfie holds his tail up-over his back most the time and it looks really cute, Rosie carries hers like a flag-pole. |
First: The Dewclaws were from the time the dogs were wild. As time has gone on, they have become less usefull for dogs. Some are even born without them now. They have "evolved".. They get hung up when hunting...but can get torn out just playing. So over time, they can get infected, and hurt a great deal. As for dewclaws growing in a circle and getting into the skin? All nails can cause problems, and if you take care of your dogs needs, the dewclaws will be dremmeled/cut on a regular basis. When our hounds do lure coursing, we tape their dewclaws for saftey, (if they have them) As for the tail: Hunters will tell you that when the hunting dog has the long feathery tail, the hair can/will hinder the animal in the brush. Getting stuck and such. I personally think that a hunter can shave the tail and have the same effect. Just like they shave the longer areas on the legs and such. Do I think it is cruel? Yes....But I am a Mom of the '80's. So I didn't even have my son circumsized. I think to this day that is why he is such a gentle soul. I would not do it to a person, why would I do it to a dog? |
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2 Attachment(s) Jackson's always holding his tail up high :) |
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We dock our yorkies tail and would LOVE to have it at least be a choice w/AKC. If you show they MUST be docked. I wouldn't have them docked ever again...our Biewers are not done and I LOVE the tail!! |
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I have heard it through gossip there are some top Yorkie show people leaving tails on because they know it is only a matter of time before cropping/docking will go away and they are very nervous about their topline/tail set. I think one of the most beautiful parts about the Biewers is their tail...they are beautiful!!!! |
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So they just do not get docked at all as the oringally breed standard said leave them long. In the States and Canada yorkies are docked though and it is the standard to do so but in Germany they again are not allowed to dock any dog so the standerad says leave them. Now tha said you can not dock in New York am I correct not sure if it is state or just the sity that said no more doicking??? JL |
It is illegal in the state of NY |
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bark@ulater!!!!! manina,miley:aimeeyorkmax:aimeeyorksasha:aimeeyork |
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They just have to go to another state to get it done. |
:aimeeyorkYes I like the yorkie with the tails docked or not...Ihve never seen a yorkie in person with their tail...I would love to see one... I adore the yorkshire breed anyway they come...:):aimeeyork:animal-pa:animal-pa |
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