Help with Breeding questions

[Leroy Dennis]

Today 11:14 AM - permalink
Leroy Dennis

Hello all you Yorkie Fans.
My wife, Maureen and I have had Yorkies (as pets) for the past 12 years. We have a bitch that we are considering breeding (4 years old). I have asked a potential breeder some questions concerning the process and have gotten some suspect answers. The breeder told me, when asked, that the stud can rejuvinate in 24 hours to breed again and that only one session is enough for a good breeding. I have been told you should wait at least three days between couplings and at least two couplings were needed to ensure more than one or two puppies. Can someone give me the correct information? In the back of my mind the stud is being overused.
Thanks LeRoy Dennis

[TeresaM]

I know very little about breeding...mostly what I've learned on here. But I seem to recall reading that 4 yrs old for a first litter can have higher risks attached to it. You might try posting your question in the Breeder forum, you may get better luck in a reply there.

[bailie]

hi there i dont know much about breeding but i have read very sad stories . so do ur research first , all the best and hope u enjoy yt,

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Leroy Dennis

Today 11:14 AM - permalink
Leroy Dennis

Hello all you Yorkie Fans.
My wife, Maureen and I have had Yorkies (as pets) for the past 12 years. We have a bitch that we are considering breeding (4 years old). I have asked a potential breeder some questions concerning the process and have gotten some suspect answers. The breeder told me, when asked, that the stud can rejuvinate in 24 hours to breed again and that only one session is enough for a good breeding. I have been told you should wait at least three days between couplings and at least two couplings were needed to ensure more than one or two puppies. Can someone give me the correct information? In the back of my mind the stud is being overused.
Thanks LeRoy Dennis

Stringing it out with three days in between is not good. I breed usually every other day starting at day nine for three times. OR sometimes I breed two days straight then forget it. My husband has bred, trained and shown Beagles for forty years. Many times we have had p[eople drive from all over the U.S. to breed to one of our champion stud dogs. They drive in, bred the dog,m then leave usually. rarely has an yone felt the need to spend the night and breed again on the second day. The dogs always had great litters from only one breeding. beagle litters are usually from six to eleven so you see, you have been told wrong about everything. The answers are not suspect but in fact aare very correct.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Stringing it out with three days in between is not good. I breed usually every other day starting at day nine for three times. OR sometimes I breed two days straight then forget it. My husband has bred, trained and shown Beagles for forty years. Many times we have had p[eople drive from all over the U.S. to breed to one of our champion stud dogs. They drive in, bred the dog,m then leave usually. rarely has an yone felt the need to spend the night and breed again on the second day. The dogs always had great litters from only one breeding. beagle litters are usually from six to eleven so you see, you have been told wrong about everything. The answers are not suspect but in fact aare very correct.

Would you please respond to them wanting to breed a 4 year old.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Would you please respond to them wanting to breed a 4 year old.

yes, I will. Sorry I overlooked that part. A four year old bitch should NOT be bred for the first time. I won't even breed a three year old for the first time. i will have to talk to my hubby about the whys of it but I know it should never be done. I actually have forgotten what it is for sure since I never do it anyway. This breeder you have been talking to should have told you that. It would be way too hard on the bitch. if I were you, I would spay her and let her enjoy her life as your beautiful pet.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by Leroy Dennis

Today 11:14 AM - permalink
Leroy Dennis

Hello all you Yorkie Fans.
My wife, Maureen and I have had Yorkies (as pets) for the past 12 years. We have a bitch that we are considering breeding (4 years old). I have asked a potential breeder some questions concerning the process and have gotten some suspect answers. The breeder told me, when asked, that the stud can rejuvinate in 24 hours to breed again and that only one session is enough for a good breeding. I have been told you should wait at least three days between couplings and at least two couplings were needed to ensure more than one or two puppies. Can someone give me the correct information? In the back of my mind the stud is being overused.
Thanks LeRoy Dennis

Have you thought about the things that could happen as a result of this breeding?



You could end up with a section -Planned or Emergency. We just went through the emergency and the cost was just over 1,500

You could loose your female, her pups, or all of the above Or, you could end up bottle feeding a week or tiny puppy or the whole litter every hour and a half round the clock..



so, lets say all went well and your all ok.. Newborns are blind,deaf and can not moderate their own body temperature.. You must keep them from drafts etc.. They grow and all is well at 4 weeks they start to walk and poooo and poo and poo and pee LOL you get the idea.



Now you go to sell your angels, do you have any plan to ask questions of the people that buy them? How will you keep tabs on how they are?



Do you have a plan to offer a health guarantee? What testing does your female have? At the least she should have a basic blood panel.. Have you tested both male and female for Brucellosis?



Breeding is not easy money and with each litter it is possible to spend thousands and not make a dime of it back...



Also, breeding a 4 year old for the first time is asking for trouble. In my opinion.



This is the short list.

I am not trying to be mean, these things truly do happen.

All that said. I bred one of my girls one time on day 12 and no more. She had a litter of 5. Another girl tied on day 11 - 13 and 14 she had ONE pup.

I would not breed to many days from first breeding to last keep you run the risk of puppies being too large or too small.

[SET Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

yes, I will. Sorry I overlooked that part. A four year old bitch should NOT be bred for the first time. I won't even breed a three year old for the first time. i will have to talk to my hubby about the whys of it but I know it should never be done. I actually have forgotten what it is for sure since I never do it anyway. This breeder you have been talking to should have told you that. It would be way too hard on the bitch. if I were you, I would spay her and let her enjoy her life as your beautiful pet.

Dee, I'm sure your hubby will certainly be able to explain this more thoroughly but I have assisted on a few c-sections due to inability of the pelvic girdle to expand during delivery. If my memory serves me, older small / toy breed and first time pregnancies tended have issues.

Again, I am stumbling here, so correct anything that sounds off... By 18 months the pelvic girdle along with all other bones begin to become rigid... Bitches bred and naturally whelped by 2 yrs old have in place the right amount of give... Bitches that have reached 4 or 5 have very little give and really have difficulty. The fetal mortality rate is increased dramatically (like 20%) per year after 2 years of age with regard to newly bred females.

Once the whelping is done, sometimes older bitches tend to have difficulty with the post pregnancy period. Many will almost abandon the puppies as they are just not able to cope with the move from pet to parent. That is purely psychological but almost impossible to overcome if presented.

That said, it would be unfair to say this always happens as I know of several older females who have successfully whelped.... IMO, the OP just needs to be aware of the possible risks / complications associated with older females whelping and be prepared....

[GAOMariposa]

Ouch. And this is why my baby is spayed and her future sister will also be spayed. My deep respect and admiration to the wonderful breeders out there!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by SET Yorkies

Dee, I'm sure your hubby will certainly be able to explain this more thoroughly but I have assisted on a few c-sections due to inability of the pelvic girdle to expand during delivery. If my memory serves me, older small / toy breed and first time pregnancies tended have issues.

Again, I am stumbling here, so correct anything that sounds off... By 18 months the pelvic girdle along with all other bones begin to become rigid... Bitches bred and naturally whelped by 2 yrs old have in place the right amount of give... Bitches that have reached 4 or 5 have very little give and really have difficulty. The fetal mortality rate is increased dramatically (like 20%) per year after 2 years of age with regard to newly bred females.

Once the whelping is done, sometimes older bitches tend to have difficulty with the post pregnancy period. Many will almost abandon the puppies as they are just not able to cope with the move from pet to parent. That is purely psychological but almost impossible to overcome if presented.

That said, it would be unfair to say this always happens as I know of several older females who have successfully whelped.... IMO, the OP just needs to be aware of the possible risks / complications associated with older females whelping and be prepared....

makes sense to me!!!!!

[SET Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

makes sense to me!!!!!

I'm glad... b/c some days nothing makes sense to me....

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by LittlePaws

Have you thought about the things that could happen as a result of this breeding?



You could end up with a section -Planned or Emergency. We just went through the emergency and the cost was just over 1,500

You could loose your female, her pups, or all of the above Or, you could end up bottle feeding a week or tiny puppy or the whole litter every hour and a half round the clock..



so, lets say all went well and your all ok.. Newborns are blind,deaf and can not moderate their own body temperature.. You must keep them from drafts etc.. They grow and all is well at 4 weeks they start to walk and poooo and poo and poo and pee LOL you get the idea.



Now you go to sell your angels, do you have any plan to ask questions of the people that buy them? How will you keep tabs on how they are?



Do you have a plan to offer a health guarantee? What testing does your female have? At the least she should have a basic blood panel.. Have you tested both male and female for Brucellosis?



Breeding is not easy money and with each litter it is possible to spend thousands and not make a dime of it back...



Also, breeding a 4 year old for the first time is asking for trouble. In my opinion.



This is the short list.

I am not trying to be mean, these things truly do happen.

All that said. I bred one of my girls one time on day 12 and no more. She had a litter of 5. Another girl tied on day 11 - 13 and 14 she had ONE pup.

I would not breed to many days from first breeding to last keep you run the risk of puppies being too large or too small.

Why is it that when someone comes here asking questions about breeding, there is always someone, a breeder themselves, that tells them all of the horrible things that can happen?

Why do they believe that they, themselves are so much better equipped to breed than the next person.

Why not merely suggest to them that they talk to other breeders so they know what they are getting into, so they can be prepared. Rather than to talk to them like they are a couple of 13 year olds who have decided to get pregnant.

Sugarsmom addressed the issue of the 4 year old dog. That was all that was needed on that issue.

To the OP, Good Luck to you if you decide to go into this. Please take the advise of Sugarsmom on the 4 year old. Get a new girl, and take your time researching.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Why is it that when someone comes here asking questions about breeding, there is always someone, a breeder themselves, that tells them all of the horrible things that can happen?

Why do they believe that they, themselves are so much better equipped to breed than the next person.

Why not merely suggest to them that they talk to other breeders so they know what they are getting into, so they can be prepared. Rather than to talk to them like they are a couple of 13 year olds who have decided to get pregnant.

Sugarsmom addressed the issue of the 4 year old dog. That was all that was needed on that issue.

To the OP, Good Luck to you if you decide to go into this. Please take the advise of Sugarsmom on the 4 year old. Get a new girl, and take your time researching.

I agree. People come here asking honest questions and those questions need to be answered simply and in a way that people can understand. Because we try to answer them does not mean we condone what they aare going to do. I am grateful to SET YORKIES for her imput. I couldn't remember why for the life of me. But the other long rambling post has no place. The OP didn't ask for permission to breed. Sometimes I think when breeders do this, they are afraid that some of these novice breeders might turn out to be really great breeders with a little help and therefore competetion. Competetion never hurts any of us but SHOULD make us all strive harder to be honest ethical breeders that try to produce nice healthy pups.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I agree. People come here asking honest questions and those questions need to be answered simply and in a way that people can understand. Because we try to answer them does not mean we condone what they aare going to do. I am grateful to SET YORKIES for her imput. I couldn't remember why for the life of me. But the other long rambling post has no place. The OP didn't ask for permission to breed. Sometimes I think when breeders do this, they are afraid that some of these novice breeders might turn out to be really great breeders with a little help and therefore competetion. Competetion never hurts any of us but SHOULD make us all strive harder to be honest ethical breeders that try to produce nice healthy pups.

I agree with theory.

I would never be so arrogant as to think that someone else could not be as good at something as I am.

[Woogie Man]

In addition to the pelvic bones becoming set by four years, the uterus will not have the elasticity it needs. The uterus tends to thicken up with each successive heat if the bitch isn't bred so there can be issues there, too.