please let manolos mum take her. What a kind offer:thumbup:

agree\ with those above-let her go she doesn't more stress in her life.

re: Stress Piddler
 

Wow! There is no where I know of than a forum of any kind where you can go to get a big old dose of judgment.

Not one of you have addressed the issues I asked about.
I asked if there is any help for the piddling and submissive behavior.

She is not submissive because I'm not crazy about her. I'm not crazy about her because she is submissive.

I wanted a playmate and a mate for my young male. I have members of my family that like my male and have asked me to have puppies from him. So I went looking for a female.

I looked at several places. I found this lady who is going out of the breeding business. Her place was clean but her dogs are not in the house all of the time, they are let in and out alternately. She had 3 or 4 bitches and 2 males. They were socialized. She kept good records and had documentation of their health care. I took this female to the vet as soon as I got her home and she checked out fine.

This female has had puppies ONCE. So I figured she was breedable. She was the size and coloring I was looking for. I notice that she cowered a little when we made our 1st visit, but this is not unusual when there are strangers around.

She is well house broken, but when you reach for her, sometimes even when she sees it coming, she piddles. If she gets excited, because you have come in the door you only went out of 2 min. ago, she piddles.

I think her submissive behavior is because she was raised in a kennel with many females. I am sure there is a pecking order and she was obviously on bottom.

I am taking good care of her. I give her love and affection but that bond is just not there. I feel bad that it is not there and hope that someone will be able have it with her because she deserves a soul mate.

It would be great if she were never stressed. It would be great if I were never stressed either. I have many stresses in my life. Do you know what they are? Do you care? You have never met me or my dog, but you have all kinds of compassion for her. Want to shoulder any of my problems? Some of you really make me laugh.

She has NOT been passed from home to home. I am her second owner. I will not be giving her to just any old person who says they might take the dog.

Twalla, Really? She will Never get passed that I don't like her? I give her more one on one affection than she probably ever had. You believe she is stressed now from actions I may take in the future? Wow. That is some perceptive animal. Think I'll keep her and sell tickets instead.

I have a dog because it makes me happy, it pleases me, it gives me pleasant companionship. I am just not getting the warm fuzzies from this dog. I have hand raised all the dogs I have had previously and they lived happy lives and died of old age. I am not a fickel owner.

Monolos Mom, after I am through 'using' her, bring $300 and you can pick her up. I'm serious.... or did you just think you could get a free dog?

If anyone has any constructive advise concerning the piddling or submissive behavior, I would love to read it.
The rest of the crap you can keep to yourselves. Write it out, get it of your self righteous chest then just hit delete.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Me/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]

I would be a stress piddler also if I have lived her life, she has probably been crated most her life, it takes a lot of work and patience to gain their trust to stop this behavior, I had a recsue that did this, about 3 months, and if all your going to do is breed her and then sell her she will be worse, why don't you allow someone that is willing to give this precious girl a chance in life and work with her a chance to get her now.
If you have never bred yorkies before, its more than throwing 2 dogs together, you have to help whelp in some cases, up for days, a do whats best for the yorkie, I don't mean to be or sound rude, but pls find this girl a home that will be willing to keep her no matter what. Sometimes you have to take yourself out of picture and do whats best for the yorkie.:(

I'm sure Manlosmom was not thinking she could get a free dog but rather, that she could rescue her from YOU. yes, that's right. With the attitude you have, this dog needs rescueing. As far as answering your question, submission is hard to break. I have one that i bred and kept. raised her as a puppy and she cowers from me or anyone else. She is two years old now and will never come out of it and that temperment has been passed to her first litter of pups.

don't forget, she wants to use her first. My oh my, I am getting off this thread. I had a big long one wrote up and edited it so I wouldn't get banned.

It has occurred to me that this submissive behavior might be inherited. I have considered not breeding her.
BTW, I am not a breeder. I wanted pups to GIVE to my family who wanted the offspring of my male. He has a great personality and disposition.

I guess you don't get sarcasm. I was stressing the word someone else used. I am serious about the money though. My husband would hang me if I gave away a dog he paid for.

Let me just tell you what can happen when you breed, cause I just went through this last week, you stay up for days watching the girl to make sure she will be okay, during whelping you probably will have to help her by putting your fingers up in her to help get the pup out, or you may have to pull the pups out, which isn't easy until you have done it a few times, then even after the pups out, you have to make sure its breathing and get all the fluid out it lungs, while the female is allowing you to do this, if you don't have a Bond with her she may not allow you or fight or bite you. After all that you still could lose one, two or all of them, and trust me its doesn't make money, so if you really don't like this behavior and don't want to deal with it, WHY would you think about breeding her.
If your a compassionate person that you say you are, then let someone take her now and give her a chance at life.:(

Rescueing
 

[QUOTE=Sugar's Mom;2799293]I'm sure Manlosmom was not thinking she could get a free dog but rather, that she could rescue her from YOU. yes, that's right. With the attitude you have, this dog needs rescueing.


That makes me ROFL. You rescuers are gong to be awfully busy rescuing all the dogs who have owners with attitudes.LOL.

By that definition your dog needs rescuing too.

Let's leave the rescuing for the dogs that are mistreated and abandoned. Or would you like to be the judge who decides if every pet owner has an attitude you approve of. Be careful, that would be pretty busy job and your dog might get neglected.

That's pretty much why I said what I said earlier. Temperment is important. I know my sons little weiner dog piddled as a puppy but it was due to excitment not fear - he loves people. He grew out of it.

With this yorkie I don't think breeding is going to help her at all....if anything it may make it worse. The other thing to consider is your family may want a puppy like your male - but they inherit traits of both the mother and father -so it's very possible you'll end up with skittish puppies. Besides you said you aren't a breeder so ....maybe not breeding is a good idea yes ?

I know the replies weren't what you hoped to hear but people here DO
put the dogs first - it's a dog site.

If your family members want yorkies, why not suggest a reputable breeder or rescue? Or is it that they want free dogs as you accused ManolosMom of doing? I know her personally and can tell you she does not even want another one...she just wanted to save this poor pup.
What you are doing is not reputable by any stretch of the imagination and I am not saying that to be mean. You say don't even know if this problem could be genetic, so why breed? Breeding and coming up with healthy, well adjusted yorkies takes more than getting two and putting them together.
Take a look at some of the threads in the breeding forum and look at the things the reputable breeders say about breeding. Maybe then you will realize what you are doing is not right for this poor pup.
It always amazes me that new people to YT come up with such controversial stuff that almost seems meant to inflame...and veil it thinly with the excuse that they need advice for a problem. If you only needed advice for this problem, why did you lace your question with what you HAD to know would upset real yorkie lovers?

I think what everyone is just trying to tell you that breeding her would be a bad idea no matter what your reasons are....this is about a stressed dog and the stress it would cause her and how much worse it would be on her to breed her...no one is going to give you advice to make her better just to watch her be stressed out twice as much later down the road with a pregnancy...it isnt about judgement...

PS your right we dont know you or your stresses but we do know that breeding this dog isnt going to make anything better for either of you......