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ladyjane

09-17-2009 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by itzzbarb (Post 2804389)

Once again, someone has come here and posted, gotten members stirred up, then disappeared, leaving YT'rs to argue amongst themselves. sigh

Exactly!

Time to let the thread DIE.

Cerise

09-17-2009 05:53 AM

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I replied to a classified add. I went to her home. She and her husband were in the back yard washing dogs. The dogs (maybe 6 or 7) barked of course. They were not unruly and we ignored them. She had one female she pointed out to me that was soon to deliver. She had one 15wk female puppy for sale and Birdie. She told me that she was moving into the city to be closer to her son who had recently moved out and I guess she had empty nest syndrome. The woman lived in a mobile home near a lake. She had kennels under the mobile home and fans under there. She told me that she alternated the dogs, taking some into the house and putting others out. She kept the mothers and pups in the house. Birdie was housebroken so I suppose she was getting some attention.
All the dogs looked clean. She had complete vet records, recently dated wormer sticker on Birdies record. She told me about homeopathic supplements she used with her dogs. She told me she had bred Birdie once, there were no complications. How does one prove that a bitch has only been bred once? How would I know if that was a lie or not? Her tits are not distended, but it is obvious that she has nursed in the past. She said that Birdie had recently been in heat. She was obviously not bred at that time. She has not come into heat again and I have owned her about 3 months. The woman didn't appear to hide anything from me. She allowed me to see her breeding stock and where they live. She sold me a dog, she didn't auction it or abandon it, or have it euthanized. I don't know if she had a website or not. The only breed I saw were standard size Yorkies. So forgive me if I take issue with you characterizing her as unscrupulous. I didn't see any evidence to support that remark.

This IS a backyard breeder (under the trailer) The type of breeder my future furbaby WILL NOT come from. Puppies bread and treated in this way do not have the best temperaments or habits. They are not properly socialized for being show dogs or pets. When you obtain a puppy from an environment such as this it takes extra hard work, and patience out of this world to raise and train them properly.

You probably think you have a upper hand on this situation by just getting some puppies out of her and then selling her off or giving them to friends and family. Sorry, but you don't. You are actually just contributing to the miss use of animals for selfish reasons, which is just as bad as other people with no ethics for breeding properly and greed.

How can anyone think that treating the mother of puppies as a breeding machine, just to produce livestock to sell or give away, can actually be producing sound and well adjusted puppies, to become a member of a future family as a happy and socially acceptable pet? Oh, and that is without the puppy being a extra stressfull challenge, beyond the usually challenging problems that comes with training?

hugz4all4

09-17-2009 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2804393)

Exactly!

Time to let the thread DIE.

DITTO!!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Cerise

09-17-2009 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JPop & Taz 2 (Post 2802209)

OP, your little Birdie really does deserve a loving home, whether it be yours or someone elses. As someone else said, you did save her, whether you knew it or not. When I got my little Tia a few months ago, DH couldn't believe I was buying (I called it rescuing) a 1 yr old, 2 lb, PREGNANT baby! But, when we found out this so called breeder was keeping her babies OUTSIDE, and in an old camper when it was cold ( hey I live in Louisiana; it's hardly cold here), and they slept in a barn, we couldn't get to her fast enough! :mad: Poor baby had issues.....she had no hair on her ears or little nubby tail, and was so frail I thought she'd break. She would scream when I was out of her sight. I had her scheduled with my vet for a spaying, abortion, teeth cleaning...the works. I brought her to work with me for 2 full weeks. Now, 4 months later, she's gained a full lb. has hair everywhere she's supposed to and a little ball of fire. If you can bond with this baby....great! Spay her, love her, give her the life she deserves. If you're unable to do that, do you both a favor and rehome. Get Petie a brother to play with. My 4 boys get along great! Good luck, and please keep us updated.

Your post touched my heart and made me tear up. I am so hapy for you that you have saved her and she is doing so well! :thumbup::)

Cerise

09-17-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by inabowbina (Post 2804080)

maybe she did their are people out their that don't know what a puppy mill looks like or what to look for in a bad breeder. she needed people to tell her nicely. their are people out there that are really ignorant when it comes to dogs. breeding, buying and taking care of them. i know i was very ignorant and had no clue what to look for in a puppy mill when i was a child my parents got a dog from a puppy mill and they had no idea what it really was and nether did i. i just realized a few years ago that that's where my child hood dog came from. i really didn't know what to look for what are bad conditions? i didn't know a bunch of cages ment they never get out to play beside it being clean we didn't know what to look for. really people need to be more understanding and patient we get further that way.

I would agree with you if she wasn't trying to breed her. She knew what she was doing and what she got into, and her attitude in her OP was loud and clear. There are some people who like coming on sites like these just to throw out their beliefs and make others scream...on purpose. They think people like most on this site are too soft hearted when it comes to animals. There are many people who feel that the dog breeding business is a livestock business and they are fine with dogs living outside under a trailer, in a cage, under a leaning shack...etc.

I don't think the responses to her OP from members here were mean or hurtful, just down right honest. I am a new member and I have learned a lot from this site. I use to be ignorant to breeding, raising, training and owning a puppy, but I have learned the hard way, and research my tail off to change my entire attitude about living with animals. But I also know a lot of people who no matter how much info is out there, or what I tell them of what I have learned and witnessed, they still believe that a dog needs to be treated like a fifth class citizen...a low down slave to human life :mad:

No disrespect meant to you, but I just feel she asked for honest responses of how other members feel with her OP and comments.

Breezeaway

09-17-2009 07:09 PM

All I have to say is Rudeness is bad. Manners are good. The way people behave towards each other, even in minor things, is a measure of their value as human beings. Manners are about showing consideration, and using empathy. But they are also about being connected to the common good; they are about being better. Every time a person says to himself, “What would the world be like if everyone did this?” or “I’m not going to calculate the cost to me on this occasion.
The problem is that it has become politically awkward to draw attention to absolutes of bad and good. In place of manners, we now have doctrines of political correctness, against which one offends at one’s peril: by means of a considerable circular logic such offences mark you as reactionary and therefore a bad person. Therefore if you say people are bad, you are bad. And to state that a well-mannered person is superior to an ill-mannered one — well, it is to invite total ignominy.
There is a tiny flame of hope, and here it is. Let’s try pretending to be polite, and see what happens. Old Aristotle might have been right all those centuries ago: that if you practise being good in small things (I’m paraphrasing again), it can lead to the improvement of general morality.

Breeze

09-17-2009 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by inabowbina (Post 2804165)

Nobody answered her about the piddling everyone started off by saying why are you breeding her if you don't like her. Very good question but wrong time i think. People offered to take the dog from her. people said she was using the dog. saying she was looking for a quick fix about her piddling problems where did they get that from maybe if PM were used but i didn't know about that. people said she is breeding for money and a greeder i didn't see anywhere that she said she is doing it for money i mean that was the first few responses and nothing about her piddling problem. and she was clearly offended when she replied back to all of them then it got even worse. Im not saying everyone was rude i didn't read everyone's but i even had a little remark at what i said but i kept it questionable she upset me too. i don't know i just find people on here jump to fast into accusing someone . If it was face to face it would be a different story people would have approached it differently. she is clearly wrong but being rude is not going to make her see it. ask questions first then we can judge and really know what she is about. she said she thought about the timidness passing down to the pups and thought about not breeding her. people just talked to her wrong. she admitted it! someone needed to say yes your right the timidness and personality will pass down to the pups you love your boys personality so much don't ruin it with a personality you don't like you should find her a new home and then go from there. im not turning this into a argument I guess I just talk to people different. I answer questions no different on the computer then i would face to face. if you guys believe the conversation went good look at her responses she was defending herself anybody that's defending themselves will no listen they don't care if they are right or wrong. nobody is responsible for her dog but her i agree. but she asked for help with something and we seen something we didn't like and attacked her right away without questioning that's what i seen. just my opinion i am not sticking up for her or anything i believe in what everyone wanted her to do everyone was in the right it just didn't come across that nice and with people like that you need to be nice or nothing goes through

If you could please use capital letters and spaces in your paragraphs it would be so much easier for everyone to read and make sense of.

Many of us find it way to hard to read posts like this and it's very hard on the eyes. Then most times we just skip over posts like yours, which would be a shame as you may have something important to say. :)

celstu1

09-18-2009 05:58 AM

How long have you had her? My boy stopped piddling at like a year and then started again after he was 2 years old, he piddled out of excitement or fear on the floor, on people, especially with my brothers, they would reach out to him and he'd come towards them wagging his tail and PEEING the entire way! LOL He did outgrow that stage in about 2 months so maybe she just needs more time with you and in your house and getting used to your routine before she becomes more outgoing and stops piddling.

Serena

09-18-2009 09:05 AM

:( awww i feel so sad for her. il take her! she just needs some love she can probably feel you energy and its not a good one..

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