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| Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa
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Parti colored yorkies are not new, they have been around for forever. They were a "dirty little secret" for show breeders. No one wanted it to be known that their champion yorkie produced a "misfit", so they either destroyed them or gave them away as pets. Then a kennel in CA a decided to breed the partis and they worked with the AKC, getting the litters DNA'd to prove the parentage, until the AKC was satisfied that they were 100% yorkie. | |
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| Do the Parti Yorkies have a standard? I have been reading where you want to show but what standard are you going to show under? The Biewer Terrier people have proven that the Biewer is not a purebred Yorkie but a breed of its own. They have the information on the from page of their club website with the dogs profile and name identifying them as a purebred Biewer Terrier. They have a standard to breed to. Just curious what they show under. Thanks E. J. |
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| No Longer a Member | I was just wondering how they have proven the Biewer is not a Yorkie? How is it a breed of its own unless they mixed something in with it after Mr Biewer had his. The original biewers came from two Yorkshire terriers and unless someone else mixed another breed in there then they are yorkies. Yes we have a standard on our website for the Parti |
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If you can produce such documentation I would love to see it. | |
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The purebred Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pom is what they are called. The German registries allowed them to start a new breed based on color alone. The AKC does not allow this, that is why the AKC does not recognize them as a separated breed from the Yorkshire Terrier. They are all yorkies and the only way the are going to allowed to be shown through the AKC is to wait until the YTCA drops the DQ for the color. Meanwhile the Colorful Yorkshire Terrier Club (you can google the site) members are trying to establish some color predictability. This will take time, since it takes over two years to produce the next genertion of offspring and it will take many generations to get this established. | |
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| Where is the proof that the parti yorki came from the Streamglen Kennel in England? Are you aware there are numerous Streamglen Kennels in Europe? Where is the AKC registration papers that followed that supposed Yorkshire Terrier all the way to Germany? All you can prove is that one Yorkshire Terrier came from that kennel. What happened to the say, it takes two to tangle? So how did you or they, get their parti? Where is the proof that Parti Yorkis are what they are what you say they are? Genetically test your parti yorkies if that is what you think you have. Take it one step further to prove your claim. I have an exact replica of your Parti Yorki from Germany. Guess what? It was proven genetically to be a pure bred Biewer Terrier and this along with other documentation is going to be presented to AKC. The genetic marker is now in place for testing the Biewer Terrier. The founders of the Mars Wisdom panel have now put it up on their website as being a purebred dog. The parti yorkie, I believe came under falsification of papers. Just look at the AKC suspension list on Yorki Talk. What does that tell you? Did AKC require DNA testing of the females? NO! What does that tell you? The pedigrees we know were already forged from IBC in Germany. We have german breeders already telling us other breeds were mixed into the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon. That is where the genetic testing was decided upon. No more lies, no more, I got this and you got that because my papers say so. You have a Parti Yorkie, others have Biewer Yorkshire Terriers a la pom pons that are being bred with the Yorkshire Terrier. There is a new purebred called the Biewer Terrier that originated from Germany, under the Biewer lines. I have Biewers coming right out of von Friedheck’s lines. They are not, and I repeat, not Yorkshire Terriers. They were genetically tested. Most of the reputable breeders of Yorkshire Terriers in my circle have never had a parti yorki in all the years they have bred Yorkshire Terriers. I was told that if they did, the pedigree was compromised. The next step is to solicit AKC to genetically test the parti yorki’s. We can already see where Biewers are being mixed in with them and we already know of some forged papers taking place. This is a caution to all those out there breeding parti yorki’s, make sure your lines are pure. We are going to work side by side with YTCA to get this straightened out, once and for all. The BTCA is not fighting you, you are resisting us. We, the BTCA, as the breed club will prove once and for all the Biewer Terrier to be a separate breed. I don’t care if this takes 10 years for AKC to finally say, oh yes, we will bring you into our FSS program. By then, AKC will be vanished for their mismanagement of record keeping. All Biewer Terriers sold as breeders (Dams and Sires) are DNA tested and held by BTRA the main registry for Biewer Terriers. Almost 500 Biewer Terriers are registered. What does that tell you? I invite all those who want to learn more about the history of the Biewer Terrier and how it was discovered to go on the Biewer Terrier Club of America website or visit the Biewer Forum. Yes, it does get heated, but we, as you parti breeders and Biewer a la pom pons are passionate about our breed. One more thing that I find very interesting…the standard set for the parti yorki. Hum…where did that come from? Do a comparison with the Biewer Terrier. It gets very interesting. Do you breeders know what you are breeding? I don’t think so. We are already on 5 generation of breeding the Biewer Terrier. |
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| No Longer a Member | LOL How you get a separate breed from two yorkshire terriers is actually comical. The biewer is a line of the yorkshire terrier, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this. As far as the parti standard, duh they are yorkies, they go by the same except for color. See the parti breeders arent trying to change what the tri color yorkie is It is and will always be a parti colored Yorkshire terrier, it is the biewer people who are fighting over what to name it , what the standard should be and who's is the best and who can get it into akc first.....LOL spout all you want to, mine are registered AKC and DNA'd and I'm sure the Nikkos line of Partis goes back further than 5 generations after all ours are yorkies and they go way back... As matter of fact Earnest Hemingways Grandfather had a White yorkshire terrier named Tassel in 1905. |
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You don’t need to be insultive. I already told you I own a parti that was tested not to be. Please don’t call me a liar. I believe that goes against YorkieTalk rules. In the end, we will see where the parti truly comes from and not falsified papers. Oh, and I guess you have proof that Ernest Hemmingway had a pure bred Yorkshire Terrier. Come on. I think you held this thread long enough with untruth. And, the truth needs to be told! | |
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P.S. it's Tango, not tangle Last edited by JeanieK; 11-25-2009 at 03:09 PM. | |
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Where is the proof that the parti yorki came from the Streamglen Kennel in England? The person whjo l;isted that infoprmations has the pedigree showing that one of the dogs contributing to the parti makeujp, came from that kennel. Do you have proof to the contrary? Yes, I have the break in the pedigree lines. Explain that? It cannot be traced from von Friedhecks lines. Are you aware there are numerous Streamglen Kennels in Europe? Where is the AKC registration papers that followed that supposed Yorkshire Terrier all the way to Germany? I don't believe the dog went to Germany, bi believe it came from Germany and it is in the pedigree. and it really does not matter if there are more than one kennel by that name. Yes it does matter. All lines cannot be claimed as heresay because YOU believe them to be such. All you can prove is that one Yorkshire Terrier came from that kennel. yes, and?????????? I don’t understand this answer? You need to follow the generations of breedings that came out of that line. You are proving nothing. What happened to the say, it takes two to tangle? So how did you or they, get their parti? It came from two traditional colord yorkies both contributing the parti gene and produced a parti off spring, just like it happened with the Biewers. What is your point? And you have the pedigrees to follow that particular line. No breaks? No questions? Where is the proof that Parti Yorkis are what they are what you say they are? The proof is in all of the litters that were DNA'd, along with the parents, to prove to the satisfaction of the AKC that they are indeed purebred yorkies. This has been gone over and over repeatedly in this thread and in many other threads, and no one has been able to prove otherwise. Even the YTCA has admitted that they are yorkies with a color default. There are always going to be people such as yourself that will argue the issue, but until they can come up with proof to the contrary, they are accepted as purebred Yorkshire terriers. The DNA is not a verifiable test because the Dams were not DNA’d. Genetically test your parti yorkies if that is what you think you have. Take it one step further to prove your claim. I don't have to, it has already been proven to the satisfaction of the AKC, and admmited to by very prominant yorkie breeders from this country. Because I believe they had something to hide. Think about it, is a prominent kennel going to have all his pedigrees revoked? Wow, what a law suit that would have been for AKC who are already in trouble. I have an exact replica of your Parti Yorki from Germany. Guess what? It was proven genetically to be a pure bred Biewer Terrier and this along with other documentation is going to be presented to AKC. yes, and???? What does that have to do with my partis or anyone elses partis? What is says is, these are not parti yorkie but bred with other breeds. The genetic marker is now in place for testing the Biewer Terrier. The founders of the Mars Wisdom panel have now put it up on their website as being a purebred dog. Parti breeders are not disputing that biewers are yorkies. I agree that they are yorkies, there are a handful of Biewer breeders that are dispyuting it. No, I am not disputing it, I am disputing that too many Biewers are being mixed with parti’s and being sold off as such. I do not own Biewers, I own and breed Biewer Terriers. There is a difference. The parti yorkie, I believe came under falsification of papers. Just look at the AKC suspension list on Yorki Talk. What does that tell you? It tells me nothing. What does it tell you? The kennels that worked to get the parti accepted by the AKC are not oln the suspension list. What are you getting at here? Again, they will never tell you or AKC their little hidden secret. As the German breeders have told us. Did AKC require DNA testing of the females? NO! Where did that information come from? My infolrmation comes directly from the partis involved. With a letter from the AKC stating that the parties are purebred yorkshire Terriers. Again, the testing and decision is not reliable. Too much revenue to be lost with the ultimate outcome. AKC would have been bankrupt if all those pedigrees were pulled. Think about it. What does that tell you? The pedigrees we know were already forged from IBC in Germany. We have german breeders already telling us other breeds were mixed into the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon. Didn't you just say that they were purebred yorkshire terriers? How quick one can be fooled. No, that is what we were told. All one had to do was look at them, just like Carl Yocuum did when he judged the Biewer Specialty in Atlanta. That is where the genetic testing was decided upon. No more lies, no more, I got this and you got that because my papers say so. You have a Parti Yorkie, others have Biewer Yorkshire Terriers a la pom pons that are being bred with the Yorkshire Terrier. There is a new purebred called the Biewer Terrier that originated from Germany, under the Biewer lines. I have Biewers coming right out of von Friedheck’s lines. They are not, and I repeat, not Yorkshire Terriers. That has yet to be determined by the AKC This is what we are going to present them with. They were genetically tested. Most of the reputable breeders of Yorkshire Terriers in my circle have never had a parti yorki in all the years they have bred Yorkshire Terriers. I was told that if they did, the pedigree was compromised. And what does that prove other than those people never had a parti yorkie in their line. It does not prove that they were not in other lines. It tells me they were very careful in who they purchased their Yorkshires from. | |
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| | #404 |
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| They were genetically tested. Most of the reputable breeders of Yorkshire Terriers in my circle have never had a parti yorki in all the years they have bred Yorkshire Terriers. I was told that if they did, the pedigree was compromised. And what does that prove other than those people never had a parti yorkie in their line. It does not prove that they were not in other lines. It tells me they were very careful in who they purchased their Yorkshires from. The next step is to solicit AKC to genetically test the parti yorki’s. We can already see where Biewers are being mixed in with them and we already know of some forged papers taking place. This is a caution to all those out there breeding parti yorki’s, make sure your lines are pure. We are going to work side by side with YTCA to get this straightened out, once and for all. Good Luck But if you are insisting that the Biewer is mixed with something else, why would the YTCA even care. Because Carl Yocuum and the members of the YTCA do not believe them to be as such. In other words, their hands were forced by AKC. The BTCA is not fighting you, you are resisting us. We, the BTCA, as the breed club will prove once and for all the Biewer Terrier to be a separate breed. You're talking in circles, you keep jumping back and forth, you say they are yorkies and you can prove it, then they aren 't yorkies and you can prove that. Again, you like to insult your posters. I am not talking in circles. When I purchased “supposed Biewer Terriers a la pom pons, they were not what a breeder would expect them to be. Common knowledge of the breed dictated. It took genetic testing, not pedigrees, to prove the Biewer was not a pure Yorkshire Terrier. I don’t care if this takes 10 years for AKC to finally say, oh yes, we will bring you into our FSS program. By then, AKC will be vanished for their mismanagement of record keeping. Then i guess this is all a moot point isn't it? No because they will be knocking at our door unfortunately and we will have to address it then. All Biewer Terriers sold as breeders (Dams and Sires) are DNA tested and held by BTRA the main registry for Biewer Terriers. Almost 500 Biewer Terriers are registered. What does that tell you? What does any of this have to do with the partis? Again, what part are you not as a breeder understanding? Proof comes from two breeding pairs, not just the males. What a strong statement that would have made for the parti yorkies. I invite all those who want to learn more about the history of the Biewer Terrier and how it was discovered to go on the Biewer Terrier Club of America website or visit the Biewer Forum. Yes, it does get heated, but we, as you parti breeders and Biewer a la pom pons are passionate about our breed. One more thing that I find very interesting…the standard set for the parti yorki. Hum…where did that come from? Do a comparison with the Biewer Terrier. It gets very interesting. Do you breeders know what you are breeding? I don’t think so. We are already on 5 generation of breeding the Biewer Terrier. The parti is way beyond 5 generations.. and what does the standard of the parti have to do with the standard of the Biewer if they are, as you claim, two different breeds? It looks to have incorporated the standard of the Biewer, interesting? Not sure what this post was all about, it went off in 6 different directions. Try to stick to one point, Use paragraphs to break up your different thoughts. You did not seem to have any problems following it. P.S. it's Tango, not tangle I know its Tango but I meant tangle. Get it? |
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| No Longer a Member | First off I did not call you a liar. Second if you bought a Parti and it tested not a Parti then you didnt buy from a reputable breeder, must have forgot to do your homework. As for the parti not tracing back to Friedheck, why would they? Darling and Fru were both grandkids of Streamglen richard, a grandson of Streamglen shaun and Nikkos Orange blossom was out of Streamglen Milady, a granddaughter of Streamglen Shaun. Schnee was born in 1984, the first so called Biewer. Why did Joan Gorden and Janet Bennett publish in a book in 1979 that says " "It is not unusual to find small white marks on one or more toes or a fine white line in the lower forejaw. These will not be visible as an adult. A large amount of white marks on the chest , paws, jaws, or skull, places a yorkie into a tri-color classification and it is very wise to guard against this possibility. Yorkshire terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to become the proper colors of the breed. They can be born all black: all tan: tan with black points; tri-color:black, white,and tan; all blue;bluish grey with tan points; and so remain or change to another shade of their newly born colors. These mismarked Yorkie puppies are not the result of the mis-alliances or throwbacks but are rather the net product of incorrectly inherited genes which have failed to activate the pigment glandular system to providing what they require to be in accord with the yorkshire terrier standard. Puppies incorrectly colored or marked should not be sold as rare, They should not be registered as Yorkshire terriers, but should simply be found a loving home If one cannot bring oneself to having them put down." Now I would think a book that was written and talked about the tri colored yorkie being born long before one was even born in germany would take precedence... We too have turned all the pedigrees and records over to AKC to prove that our dogs are Parti yorkshire terriers , And last If you plan on trying to solicit AKC to genetically test the parti yorki’s , Goodluck, they would have to test all Yorkshire terriers. And I'm sure AKC wouldn't appreciate the way you talk about them. |
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