I guess I have a lot to learn. I will read more into posts and do some serious research about the breeding business and etc. There is so much information and so many breeder scams that if you are not educated and in the mix you are vulnerable. I do believe you can get a wonderful pet without going to top notch breeders but I also realize you can end up with a boat load of problems that ruin the pet/owner relationship and the will to keep them. I want a healthy pet who is socialized properly and from what I've been reading since I've joined this site...she won't be a quick nor cheap find. And I and happy with that fact.

Peace Out
 

that's the truth too...:(

it's no wonder my husband and i keep fighting for what i put up with online all day, i'm probably a ball of nerves and stress inside...my first week with Sadie was horrible and i realized it was because i was all stressed out from some of these threads and taking it home to her and making her nutts.

my husband and i have been really on edge with each other as well and i know that it's mostly related to the stress with work and this drama on here.

i can't let this crap affect my marriage and my life...i think i'm going to just have to refrain from trying to post anything at all, happy, sad, or indifferent.

i just can't say anything without a huge war it seems and i'm not the one causing the drama or the problem here but i'm the bigger person because i'll pull myself out of this fight...

WHITE FLAGS WHITE FLAGS

WOW, I sure wish these people were at the pounds, animal control and humane society to see the pile of dead dogs and cats because of the surplus pets we have in this country. I am sorry but dogs are not product and just because someone likes warm and fuzzy, animals are dying. Millions every year.:thumbdown I wish these same people would help save animals rather than making $$$ off of them. You might want to start driving around your state and see how some of these dogs are living and soon winter is coming.
I also have to disagree with you in regards to "stop talking about puppy mills" because I see it all the time on YT where members still go and buy dogs from pet stores. The american public does not have a clue that this is going on. As long as dogs have to live in this misery then I will continue to talk about it along with many other members on YT. Your state is one of the worse in the nation and it is going to take the citizens of your state to change the laws.

Puppymills - Information about puppy mills and how to shut them down.

i think it's just all sorts of screwed up due to the APRI because they have this policy that the new owner chooses the registered name and i'm sure with AKC the kennel chooses the full length name bases on the lineage of the dog.

all i know is that Sadie's mom was CJ's Mickey's Maiden and sire was Little Boy Blue...

i don't like either one so i redid it on my own....

small question for those who know lots about AKC stuff...how do dogs get to be AKC if both parents have to be AKC to be included...like how did the first dogs get registered when it all started and how do we know that the first dogs registered were 100% pure blooded...it all doesn't make much sense to me why can't all dogs that meet the standard or are pure bred become AKC dogs if the owner wants them to be??? i don't get it

oh and i might add the ONLY reason i thought about registering at all was that i'm really curious to see the other names of her pedigree for scrapbooking purposes and curiosity and registering is the only way to obtain the pedigree from them....my bad for wanting to know too much i guess.

Some people are under the misconception that if you go to a top notch breeder that you will pay more. Not so, you'll be amazed....couple of reasons why, they do not breed to sell puppies, they breed for themselves first. Others are breeding only to fulfill a pet market and wanting to make a buck....

:thumbup: Do you remember when Oprah spoke out and how shocked people were and this was just a couple of years ago. The public does not like to know about these horrible conditions many animals live in..so choose to ignore it. Sad..

Wow! I learn something new everyday on this site! I have 6 yorkies.....3 are APRI, 2 are AKC, and 1, yet to be registered, will be CKC. My 3 oldest are the APRI, and if I had known then what I know now, they would not be registered at all. I have to admit, when I first read Nancy's post, I was a little shocked......thinking, man, she's coming on a little strong! But, the more I read, the more I understood. I had no idea APRI supported puppy mills!:eek: I guess we live & learn, huh? :rolleyes: BTW, I appreciate all the information I get from this site. And to OP......I love your baby's name! :D

have you ever noticed when looking at those so called humane societies and pounds that almost NONE of the dogs in them are purebred...they are almost all mutts!???!!??

it's not the breeders who are putting dogs in pounds, it's the owners who either get a dog that isn't right for their lifestyle, that they don't have the time, money or patience to train properly, or the farm dogs that run free and go into the neighbors yard and breeds their dog and then you have mutt puppies that no one wants because people WANT pure breds. breeders no matter how they breed are able to sell ALL of their puppies so long as they are healthy and being taken care of in a nice facility. people want the pure bred dogs, they want the toy dogs mostly and they want them fast and for a lot less money than the $1000++ that some people pay for them.

so though i don't condone the inhumane breeding of dogs, and i do support people who breed responsibly (which the people i was talking about do) i also know that pound puppies are not there because of a breeder, they are there because of the owners

All the best to you ! What a good post you just did.

There are alot of people here that may be able to help you in your search and you are so right....the scams are out there in full force so doing 'research' is the smart way to find a healthy yorkie.

Mardelin is right - you can find a good breeder without the outrageous price just by taking your time and making contacts.

There are so many people that buy on impulse and like Cindy (livingdustmops) just said... even at pet stores :( who get their puppies from Mills. There are very few pet stores that actually buy from a breeder and in my opinion - any 'breeder' that sells to a pet store doesn't deserve to be called a BREEDER.

RachelandSadie...you may not like the way this thread turned but in all honesty - the information is good information and for others reading - they may learn something just by the replies you received.

I have worked with rescues and I would hate the idea of anyone supporting puppy mills. There is another way that people with a purebred PET can still register their dog and support legitamate registries like the AKC and that is by obtaining ILP #.... Here is the info taken off the AKC website.

Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege
Giving all purebred dogs a chance to compete

</STRONG>Note: A fee of $10 was instituted, effective January 1, 2003, for Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege transfers or duplicate certificates. For more information contact PAL@akc.org.

The AKC, PAL/ILP and You
Many people have discovered the fun of teaming up with their dogs and competing in AKC Events. But, not all of those wonderful canine athletes that you see at these events are registered with the AKC. Some might be enrolled in the AKC's Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP), a program that allows unregistered dogs of registrable breeds to compete in AKC Performance and Companion Events, also 41 specific breeds in the FSS® Program that are eligible for Companion Events.

If you have a purebred dog that cannot be registered with the AKC and have a desire to see what your dog can do in real competition, a PAL/ILP number is your ticket to the world of AKC events and clubs!

Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP): The program that provides purebred dogs a second chance.
There are various reasons why a purebred dog might not be eligible for registration. The dog may be the product of an unregistered litter, or have unregistered parents. The dog's papers may have been withheld by its breeder or lost by its owner. Sometimes, it is the dog itself that was "lost." There are many dogs enrolled in the PAL/ILP program after they have been surrendered or abandoned, then adopted by new owners from animal shelters or purebred rescue groups. The PAL/ILP program allows the dog and owner a second chance at discovering the rewards of participating in AKC events.

What AKC events may a PAL/ILP dog Participate in?
The Purebred Alternative Listing Program/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP) is designed to allow dogs to participate in AKC Companion and Performance Events. The AKC Events that a PAL/ILP dog can participate in are:
Agility Trials (All Breeds)
Earthdog Trials (Small Terriers and Dachshunds)
Herding Tests and Trials ( Herding Breeds, Rottweilers and Samoyeds)
Hunt Tests (Most Sporting Breeds and Standard Poodles)
Junior Showmanship (All Breeds)
Lure Coursing (Sighthounds)
Obedience Trials (All Breeds)
Rally Trials (All Breeds)
Tracking Tests (All Breeds)
Once enrolled in the PAL/ILP program, entering AKC events is as easy as with a registrable dog. The only difference is that instead of an AKC registration number, you would list the dog's PAL/ILP number on the Entry form.

How can you apply for a PAL/ILP number?
Applications for enrollment into the Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege can be downloaded or by emailing PAL@akc.org. When requesting a form via email please include your name and current mailing address. Remember, PAL/ILP numbers can only be issused to AKC registrable breeds.

The following must be submitted with a completed PAL/ILP application:
Two recent and clear color photographs of the dog;

<UL>one full front view showing the facial characteristics of the dog;

one view showing the full side profile of the dog standing on a flat surface (not grass).
</UL>
(ALL PHOTOS SHOULD BE TAKEN AT EYE LEVEL IN A STANDING POSITION,
INCLUDE THE WHOLE DOG IN THE PHOTO. DO NOT SHOOT DOWN ON THE DOG.)


Proof from a veterinarian that the dog has been spayed/neutered.


A non-refundable $35.00 application fee.
Once compiled, the completed PAL/ILP application along with the items listed above should be mailed to:

The American Kennel Club/PAL/ILP
PO Box 900059
Raleigh, NC 27675-9059

Enrollment in the Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege program is not to be construed as an alternative form of registration, but rather, as a listing so that dogs who are ineligible for AKC registration may participate in AKC Companion and Performance Events. A PAL/ILP may be cancelled for cause.

For more information or questions about the PAL/ILP program contact PAL@akc.org.

Your wrong there are alot of purebreds in shelters. Ours right now even have 2 yorkies. Because of overbreeding pure breds are in shelters all the time. There are threads in the rescue section all the time about a yorkie in a kill shelter

now we're talkin ! Good post !!!

I did say in an earlier post (#29) that many really don't know exactly what the APRI registry does. Which makes threads like this even better because we never stop learning. :)

Now I have to jump in and have my say about all of this too. Most YT members have come to this board because of the love of the Yorkie breed and I believe that is the reason that you came as well. If I am not mistaken you were in the market to add a puppy to your home. When you were told that the place that you were purchasing your new puppy from was a mill you dug your feet and and moved forward anyway, not taking the advice from VERY EXPERIENCED members of this forum. When you were told that she was way too young to be taken from her mother, you moved forward and brought her home anyway. When you began to have issues with behavior you cam for advice and rejected what was offered. Now you have decided to register your puppy with a KNOWN puppy mill registry and expect everyone to just sit back and not become frustrated with what you are saying and posting to this forum?

You have been given VERY SOUND advice over and over again and your response is always the same. You have refused all help, concern and KNOWLEDGE that has been offered to you. IMO you have shown a great deal of lack disrespect to the members that have offered their vast array of knowledge. It is very sad to see that your mind is not open to what is being offered to you. This is the reason there is so much frustration shown by members here with your posts. IMO you seem to continue to be blinded by your own misguided and uneducated opinions of puppymills, breeding and breeders, now registries.

Knowledge is a very powerful tool that you are turning your back when you do not like the responses that you have received to your posts. You need to open your mind and LISTEN to what is being said to you. Once you begin to listen your knowledge will GROW! Once your knowledge grows you will become UNDERSTAND and then become a vocal ADVOCATE for what we are all trying to offer and teach you.

No one is trying to ruin your fun but your ideas and thoughts are not at the level of so many knowledgeable members of this community. If you take offense to everything that is said you will never be able to achieve the knowledge to make a change for the good. AND that is what YT is really all about!

Yup. Same in Houston. I have one near me that I give food and 'extra's to and have seen many small dogs....yorkies - maltese and also weiner doggies and of course the ever cute 'mutts' (I really don't like that word)

I haven't been in a while because it bothered me so much....

It's so so sad to see ANY dog in jail waiting for a home or to be put to sleep. If people realized before they get a pet that it's a life committment and thought it thru....maybe the problem would subside but there are just too many people who think of pets as disposable ....then there are the so called breeders in it for profit but have NO CLUE that they're just adding to an already very overpopulated pet problem.

thanks:cry::cry:

Right NOW there are 1,165 Yorkie and Yorkie Mixes in either shelters or rescues listed on [URL="http://www.petfinder.com/breeds/Dog"]http://www.petfinder.com/breeds/Dog[/URL. I can see why there are so many members upset with what you are saying. You speak without knowledge and that is very frustrating to those who are knowledgeable and want to inform the public. Please just listen to what you are being told and not argue point of FACT. It is very frustrating when words fall upon deaf ears. :(

what a neat post that was exactly what i was looking for!! thanks a bunch!

Wrong again....45% of the dogs that are at pounds are purebred. This does not take into account purebred rescue organizations because they are private. The statistics of 45% come from state run organizations so much of the information is missing and I can tell you the numbers would be even higher if we combined the private rescues.

Have you ever worked rescue? Have you ever donated your time at the pound? Have you ever walked into the room of dead animals piled up?

Also I do blame the breeders because they place them in wrong homes and also they refuse to take them back. I have said this before on this website that I believe all puppie should have a warranty like the car companies. I can tell you if every breeder had to take back their dogs based on health issues or any issue then you would see the numbers drop radically. I also believe if breeders had to pay for the pounds, animal control and humane society budgets you would also see the numbers drop radically. Why should the breeders make $$$ and not bear any of the costs of what they have done?

P.S. Responsible breeders do take their pups back but obviously when you put down 4 million animals a year we do not have that many responsible breeders.

She don't know me very well so she~~Tweety Bird

if there are so dog gone many pure yorkies in shelters then home come on my search for a shelter yorkie i never ONCE found one of them in my area???? HMMMMMMMM

don't be upset !! People are just trying to help.....and I agree - the name you chose is very pretty


like I said - your thread has turned into a learning thread for others. That's a good thing !

i guess so...hope others learn not only about puppy mills but about being nice to people because i am really upset because this happened again.

the last thing i ever wanted to do on YT today was start up another one of those stupid argument threads that leads to anger and frustration and people getting banned for no reason.

look what's happened now :cry::cry:

i'm literally about to cry over this people....thanks a lot!! it's all in the name of learning something that you have yet again hurt someone and made them feel like crap by blowing something way way out of proportion

Something that may answer your question. There are Yorkie and Toy Dog Rescues, with a network of people that work tiredlessly searching Shelters and Pounds. Most of the time, when yorkies are placed in shelters, those people will rush in and rescue those lil guys. They'll be placed in foster homes, vet checked, nursed to health and then placed in qualified homes.

I see that you became a member in July 2009 and have over 600 posts. Just my opinion, and as someone else mentioned, maybe it's time to sit back, listen and learn.

No one is really wanting to hurt your feelings, but if things are left unsaid, then we aren't teaching you or others.....New members would have come on and read this post and have misconceptions.

Oh, please! Did you even look?

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man if i could have found something like that i sure would have.

sometimes people that have watched me on here and know my whole story with Sadie automatically assume i support a puppy mill or that i don't care about the dogs, but the thing is, the first place we searched was rescue, we didn't find anything close by and i don't agree with shipping animals.

in the future i would like to rescue dogs and foster them, i can't in a rented house right now with no fenced in yard or we'd have more.

and my first dog i wanted it to be a special bond and i wanted to raise her from the start the way i want her to be rather than take on something that might have bad habits i'd have to break.

i will NEVER EVER regret getting Sadie and I will not ever let anyone tell me that i got her from a mill because i know that i did not, say whatever you want, but the breeder was not a mill and she came from a good place that still checks on her and cares about her well being.

I am glad i got her, happy with how she is turning out, and i'm learning a lot about how to care for her and love her lots.

i do have a heart people, i love dogs as much as the next person, but i also support good hearted people and i support people who want a nice pet and people who provide a healthy and nice pet to someone.

I have no idea about any argument threads with people getting banned & didn't mean someone has to be hurt to learn. I really said what I said to make you feel better. I think you're just young and still learning. I guess maybe some replies may be a bit heated - but most not..........

The bottom line is only YOU will decide what is best for you. Try not to get angry when others post things you don't want to hear....They wouldn't bother if they didn't care.

You OBVIOUSLY didn't look here! :confused: Tinley Park, IL: Adoptable Pets: Petfinder

Take your pick! There is every imaginable age, size, weight, location that you could possibly ask for and they are the lucky ones to have made it to the shelters/rescues. There are hundreds PTS within hours of being taken into shelters. Let me remind you that ALL of mine are either rehomes/rescues/shelter/foster pups. Here are another 197 members who also have yorkies from shelters and rescues. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ed-yorkie.html. Once again you are not opening your mind to that is being offered to you.

see my other post!! yes i did look, and i found what you found, a bunch of older dogs, mostly male, weird colors, health issues, bad habits to retrain, and not close enough to me.

i'm not trying to sound mean or anything, but i really did want my first puppy to be a puppy, and to have been influence by me personally and not some other owner. i didn't want to deal with a history of trauma or health issues and i knew i wanted a female that i could name myself not an adult i'd have to rename.

i got exactly what i wanted and regret nothing about it.

Rachel -- You asked why dogs that meet the standard cannot just be registered as AKC? I would like to answer that. You can even take a mixed breeding and get some puppies that look like pure-bred dogs. They may even mature into dogs that meet the standard. But their DNA still contains parts from both of its parents! Some of the registries will take a picture of that dog and register it. Now, an unsuspecting newbie to breeding that just wants to breed for warm fuzzy puppies, breeds that dog with another "purebred" -- say that "purebred" was the product of a similar mating. Suddenly the puppies just do not look right. Some may be really off but some may look similar to a purebred pup. More unsuspecting customers buy these puppies and they start to mature looking NOTHING like the standard, nothing like the customer had in mind......Now, maybe they needed a small dog for the space they had, maybe they had another small dog that needed a like playmate, maybe they had a lease that only allowed small dogs and suddenly they had a 15 pounder! (I use this only as an example, it could be turned around for someone wanting a large dog and it winding up being too tiny too). The same sort of breeder that does this usually does not care about temperment either, so these puppies may wind up being aggressive, furtive, not easily trained or socialized. Now multiply this by all of the people breeding like this. How long do you suppose we could keep a yorkie looking like a yorkie? How long do you think we could keep all of the wonderful characteristics that were painstakingly bred into the Yorkie over many, many years?

When you speak of breeding, you have to look beyond how it affected the one puppy you are looking at. How is it affecting the future of the breed? Also keep in mind that many genetic problems do not surface for a year, two or longer. Just because someone is fortunate to bring home a healthy puppy at a few weeks of age, does not mean they will not find problems over the long haul.

You also said that the puppies in pounds and shelters are not purebreds. I think many have told you that is not true. Many of the purebreds are picked up by their breed Rescue organizations before you might see them in the pound. There are several Yorkie Rescues represented by member here on YT. They can tell you that there are never enough to take care of all of the Yorkies turned in for one reason or another. Many of the Yorkie mixes are the result of exactly what you were asking before. Why not register all those that look like Yorkies as AKC -- because many will have puppies looking like those mixes you see in the pound.

Then you go on to say it is dog owners not dog breeders fault for the dogs in pounds and shelters. Ask how many of those dogs are there because they did not turn out the way they were advertised. Supposed "Purebred" puppies with dubious registries not looking like they should, having temperment problems, health problems, genetic features the owners did not want. Should the breeders not share in that blame? I think so -- a customer has the right to believe their Yorkie will grow up to look like a Yorkie and be healthy.

Not all AKC bred dogs will be perfect either and some of them may find their way to a rescue. The registry is only one aspect of what to look for when researching for a well-bred pet. But at least AKC provides for rules, regulations, inspections, follow up and not only that -- a portion of your money goes for public information, animal rights lobbying, etc....

BTW you also said: "i'm sure with AKC the kennel chooses the full length name bases on the lineage of the dog." and that is not true -- AKC allows the new owner to pick the name of the puppy as well. It is tradition to include the kennel's name but not required. Maybe it would be a good itdea to have an open mind more often than being so "sure" of things you are new to.