the difference between a show dog and a pet

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Many of you have pointed out my rudeness, and believe I could better change the breeder's mind if I had used more tact. While I hate to hurt someone's feelings, I hate unethical breeding practices even more. Let me just say, my post was never an attempt to change the breeders mind, as it is clearly made-up. As others have pointed out, she's a" featured breeder" on Yorkietalk, this means she pays Yorkietalk for advertising privileges to be listed on the Yorkietalk featured breeders page, it does not mean Yorkietalk endorses her. I'm sure she lists here, because it helps her sell lots of dogs, so I don't think anyone is going to be changing her mind. I am livid at her post, and that was the very most I could tone it down. I also was afraid to post anything because I don't want to get into trouble with Yorkietalk. However, her post is clearly implying the propaganda of "If you want a "tiny" yorkie, don't go to a show breeder, go to a tiny breeder specialist, as she knows how to safely breed tinies". Is she the only one; are all the others on the web telling the truth too, and the mother club who pays for all those scientific studies wrong? Why does the YTCA frown on breeding tinies, is because "they don't know how to safely do it?" I truly believe if it were safe, the mother club would endorse it. If you want a tiny yorkie, you should ONLY go to a show breeder or other ethical breeder, because they won't be breeding them; they know they are ONLY suitable as pets.

Again, I repeat I hate posting on these controversial threads, and opposing the breeding practices of certain breeders. I do believe that there is a safe and unsafe way to do certain things, not just different opinions, and when it comes to breeding and living creatures, we should always error on the side of safety. I also know so many people want tinies, and posts like hers is just want they want to hear. My love for Joey has extended to whole breed, and I really want to encourage people to only support those breeders who are doing the best for the breed.

Yah nailed it Nancy!!!

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Nancy -- I appreciate your candidness and your intelligently-worded posts. You have stuck to the issues and not attacked the individual. What people fail to see is there is a difference! When you disagree vehmently with someones actions, it is your responsibility to speak out against those actions. It is not attacking the person. It can all be done without personal animosity and name-calling, just as you have here.

I also think if people want to be taken seriously they need to work on wording their posts so people can read them easily. Punctuation, paragraphs, and short, succinct posts can go a long way in making a point. Long rambling, non-punctuated, posts show a lack of attention to detail and quality that might be more telling than you think. Don't get me wrong, I have as many typos as anyone, so I am not talking about being perfect. It is hard for me to take an uneducated-sounding post very seriously. I view many of the posts here as a learning source. If a reference is to have any credence, it needs to be intelligently put together.

I guess my post was rambling..yet another dig to hurt a person...wow it is done well here I have to say...not punctated properly nor witten like a teacher... sorry... I guess we are not all as well educated as Nancy... for she seems to be a master with words..

I find your post quite rude too for that matter..now we are basically getting down to picking on how a post was written.. how the engish is .. I will leave all the drama threads to the ones who do it best then..for that in iteself is something to be proud of I guess.... they have a better way to cut to the core ..... for even new members if at all smart.. can figure out quick who is who... .that make themselves feel better by vilifying others over and over again...and to justifly themselves they write better English.. say it better with their proper punctuation..

Maybe they should have a yorkie talk one and two.. for those who are smarter then the next guy.. that made me sick.. sorry...

Now you can post what you like about me.. make yourselves feel good..for you achieved what you wanted.. I am upset...some can give it but cannot take it..

I will not look or read any more of your daily needs to degrade people...for I guess I am another one now added to the list.. since I did not agree nor disagree on this..


anne

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I guess my post was rambling..yet another dig to hurt a person...wow it is done well here I have to say...not punctated properly nor witten like a teacher... sorry... I guess we are not all as well educated as Nancy... for she seems to be a master with words..

I find your post quite rude too for that matter..now we are basically getting down to picking on how a post was written.. how the engish is .. I will leave all the drama threads to the ones who do it best then..for that in iteself is something to be proud of I guess.... they have a better way to cut to the core ..... for even new members if at all smart.. can figure out quick who is who... .that make themselves feel better by vilifying others over and over again...and to justifly themselves they write better English.. say it better with their proper punctuation..

Maybe they should have a yorkie talk one and two.. for those who are smarter then the next guy.. that made me sick.. sorry...

Now you can post what you like about me.. make yourselves feel good..for you achieved what you wanted.. I am upset...some can give it but cannot take it..

I will not look or read any more of your daily needs to degrade people...for I guess I am another one now added to the list.. since I did not agree nor disagree on this..


anne

oh gosh, i hope you stay.

i for one am obviously one of those people who pay no attention to capitalization, grammar,...etc..

your posts are completely fine.

to me it is the idea someone is trying to get across, not how they freaking wrote it.

i have a masters degree, but i still write this way. because i don't really care. i am here trying to communicate with people, not writing a thesis statement. so i do it the fastest way i can. i just type, and i don't worry about punctuation. to me, you just have to make sure people can easily understand you, if they can, whatever you are doing is fine.

i've read enough VERY POORLY written papers on different topic in grad school. the grammar and punctuation is impeccable but the content is lagging.

anyway, i am not saying that everyone should write the way i do. i am sure it is harder to read, and if it is too hard to read, i apologize and will try to be better.

but i just want to let you know that i have no problem reading your posts, your ideas are very clear and easy to understand for me.

[Arzel36]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I guess my post was rambling..yet another dig to hurt a person...wow it is done well here I have to say...not punctated properly nor witten like a teacher... sorry... I guess we are not all as well educated as Nancy... for she seems to be a master with words..

I find your post quite rude too for that matter..now we are basically getting down to picking on how a post was written.. how the engish is .. I will leave all the drama threads to the ones who do it best then..for that in iteself is something to be proud of I guess.... they have a better way to cut to the core ..... for even new members if at all smart.. can figure out quick who is who... .that make themselves feel better by vilifying others over and over again...and to justifly themselves they write better English.. say it better with their proper punctuation..

Maybe they should have a yorkie talk one and two.. for those who are smarter then the next guy.. that made me sick.. sorry...

Now you can post what you like about me.. make yourselves feel good..for you achieved what you wanted.. I am upset...some can give it but cannot take it..

I will not look or read any more of your daily needs to degrade people...for I guess I am another one now added to the list.. since I did not agree nor disagree on this..


anne

I know there are time's when I don't use the correct grammer, when posting. But I understand all post's, correct grammer's or not. Being on this forum is too educated memeber's, not too hurt people feeling's on here.

[yorkiepuppie]

hey people on this thread. i just want to make a note of something.

i consider nancy a dear friend of mine and i love her. but the way people are responding in this thread is kind of disappointing.

instead of agreeing with ideas, a lot of people simply say,

yea nancy, great post.
yea nancy, you nailed it.
...etc.

if i didn't know anything and had joined this site today, then i would think people here are a bunch of high school kids in cliques. but i know that is not the truth. i know that people here are for the most part objective. but the posts in this thread is not quite coming across that way. i think i would focus more on the issues and less on taking sides? (people might not be taking sides? but it is kind of coming across that way as i read this thread)

normally i am fine with people agreeing with someone's post by simply saying "yea that" or "great post" something along those lines. but in this particular thread it has become so excessive. are we here to discuss an issue or are we here to take sides and have a popularity contest.

i thought it was to discuss an issue. but if i am mistaken, then nancy wins for sure on the popularity contest.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by my precious pups

:thumb up: I guess my post was rambling..yet another dig to hurt a person...wow it is done well here I have to say...not punctated properly nor witten like a teacher... sorry... I guess we are not all as well educated as Nancy... for she seems to be a master with words..

I find your post quite rude too for that matter..now we are basically getting down to picking on how a post was written.. how the english is .. I will leave all the drama threads to the ones who do it best then..for that in itself is something to be proud of I guess.... they have a better way to cut to the core ..... for even new members if at all smart.. can figure out quick who is who... .that make themselves feel better by vilifying others over and over again...and to justify themselves they write better English.. say it better with their proper punctuation..

Maybe they should have a yorkietalk one and two.. for those who are smarter then the next guy.. that made me sick.. sorry...

Now you can post what you like about me.. make yourselves feel good..for you achieved what you wanted.. I am upset...some can give it but cannot take it..

I will not look or read any more of your daily needs to degrade people...for I guess I am another one now added to the list.. since I did not agree nor disagree on this..


anne

Anne Im sorry you come on here to try and help others with good advice you don't deserve this.

I have seen quite a few members here that seem to attack others on their grammar . seems to me its the same bunch every time. and I think its because they are getting no where getting their point across so they tend to attack any thing and every thing else that has nothing to do with the thread. yet if you read their past posts they make the same mistakes. ...but its okay for them. best to ignore them.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Many of you have pointed out my rudeness, and believe I could better change the breeder's mind if I had used more tact. While I hate to hurt someone's feelings, I hate unethical breeding practices even more. Let me just say, my post was never an attempt to change the breeders mind, as it is clearly made-up. As others have pointed out, she's a" featured breeder" on Yorkietalk, this means she pays Yorkietalk for advertising privileges to be listed on the Yorkietalk featured breeders page, it does not mean Yorkietalk endorses her. I'm sure she lists here, because it helps her sell lots of dogs, so I don't think anyone is going to be changing her mind. I am livid at her post, and that was the very most I could tone it down. I also was afraid to post anything because I don't want to get into trouble with Yorkietalk. However, her post is clearly implying the propaganda of "If you want a "tiny" yorkie, don't go to a show breeder, go to a tiny breeder specialist, as she knows how to safely breed tinies". Is she the only one; are all the others on the web telling the truth too, and the mother club who pays for all those scientific studies wrong? Why does the YTCA frown on breeding tinies, is because "they don't know how to safely do it?" I truly believe if it were safe, the mother club would endorse it. If you want a tiny yorkie, you should ONLY go to a show breeder or other ethical breeder, because they won't be breeding them; they know they are ONLY suitable as pets.

Again, I repeat I hate posting on these controversial threads, and opposing the breeding practices of certain breeders. I do believe that there is a safe and unsafe way to do certain things, not just different opinions, and when it comes to breeding and living creatures, we should always error on the side of safety. I also know so many people want tinies, and posts like hers is just want they want to hear. My love for Joey has extended to whole breed, and I really want to encourage people to only support those breeders who are doing the best for the breed.

nancy, i think i know how you feel about this thread, i was really worked up when we had the reputable breeder vs. back yard breeder thread a while back.

i agree with you that it's all about the love for our dogs and the love for the breed. i agree with you that everyone should buy from a reputable breeder. but i would add to that is not just for the tinies. i think people should always buy from reputable breeder no matter what size dogs they are getting.

i am not that personally offended by this thread as i was the back yard breeder thread though. i am still trying to learn all the things about people breeding tiny dogs. i just don't know enough at this point to be angry with the practice. but i think that you've probably read enough information on it to feel the way you do about the issue.

[julietimothy]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i have purchased "show' puppies that turned out to be garbage dogs. nothing at all like I thought I was getting by purchasing a show prospect puppy. From a long line of show champs. But the dog just didn't have what it took to show and at two years old or so old, not even in the standard. i have purchased pet puppies that are high quality and meet the standard, bred them and champions. Of course they had a lot of show champions in their lines but were sold as pets. I think you don't ever know what you are going to get when they grow up. You can look at the lines and guess but that is all it is. A guess. i think you take a chance when purchasing a dog from any kind of breeder. show or pet.

This is so true, thank you for posting it!!!

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

yeah, that!!!!!!!!!!! I have had a few people on here call my dogs "garbage" dogs or even worse "sh##" dogs. Of course it was all done by pm's and the two or three people that called them that didn't know the pm's were forwarded to me!!!!

Dee your dogs are beautiful and you know that. but you also used the word in your post to make a point......I don't think any dog deserves to be called that no matter how out of standard they are. and there are a lot of Yorkies here on YT that are not in the standard. and Im sure that word didn't set to good with them either. but anyways back to the topic.



I don't believe in breeding a female under 5 lbs. but attacking the OP on everyone of her threads is wrong too.

[YorkieShadow]

pepole alwys talkn bout othr pepls gramr, spelng and I for one gte so sikc of it.
evne the way I juts typde thsi im srue you can all stlil read whta I jsut wroet
so whta the prblem is?

[manolos mom]

IS THERE A FULL MOON OR WHAT....Come on guys........Dont take things so personal. Learn from what is said and move on to the next thread. Your not sleeping next to this person so who cares....

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

pepole alwys talkn bout othr pepls gramr, spelng and I for one gte so sikc of it.
evne the way I juts typde thsi im srue you can all stlil read whta I jsut wroet
so whta the prblem is?

LOL, Haha you are right with that one. I think that's ok when it's nice and short. BUT, I think it is the poor punctuation, grammar, and LENGTH of the OP posts that make it so difficult to read, and ultimately get her point across.

I tried to read the OP posts, but it just got way to hard to understand, not knowing when one thought ended and the next one started.

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I also think if people want to be taken seriously they need to work on wording their posts so people can read them easily. Punctuation, paragraphs, and short, succinct posts can go a long way in making a point. Long rambling, non-punctuated, posts show a lack of attention to detail and quality that might be more telling than you think. Don't get me wrong, I have as many typos as anyone, so I am not talking about being perfect. It is hard for me to take an uneducated-sounding post very seriously. I view many of the posts here as a learning source. If a reference is to have any credence, it needs to be intelligently put together.

I agree with FlDebra as well. Typos, not proof reading, etc is totally ok, but rambling THAT much, when you are trying to establish your expertise? I don't think that's ok. If you want to try to change people's minds, you should, at the very least, try to make it easy to READ it. I wanted to read OP's threads to see her POV, but it got literally tiring to read, so i stopped reading.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

LOL, Haha you are right with that one. I think that's ok when it's nice and short. BUT, I think it is the poor punctuation, grammar, and LENGTH of the OP posts that make it so difficult to read, and ultimately get her point across.

I tried to read the OP posts, but it just got way to hard to understand, not knowing when one thought ended and the next one started.



I agree with FlDebra as well. Typos, not proof reading, etc is totally ok, but rambling THAT much, when you are trying to establish your expertise? I don't think that's ok. If you want to try to change people's minds, you should, at the very least, try to make it easy to READ it. I wanted to read OP's threads to see her POV, but it got literally tiring to read, so i stopped reading.

I'm staying out of this one because my feelings are being stated way better than I could express them but I have been reading and just want to jump in on this one point.

Exactly as stated above, typos and mis-punctuation are one thing. The OP's posts are almost impossible to get through. I'm ending up just skimming most of them. I don't say this to be mean- I'm sure she wants to make her point (or else why start the thread), but without any breaks, punctuation or capitalization, it is very hard to get through such long posts much less have much understanding of the intent of the post. I am also getting completely lost trying to follow them.

[JoshieBoy]

[QUOTE=Nancy1999;2646864]Many of you have pointed out my rudeness, and believe I could better change the breeder's mind if I had used more tact. While I hate to hurt someone's feelings, I hate unethical breeding practices even more.


Hi, Nancy. If I was the O.P. and I read your first sentence of your first post, then I would not continue reading your post. You said, "Your post "shows" me how little you know about breeding, and showing." You always like helping people when they need information about Yorkies, which is wonderful. However, if you give the information in a tactful way people are more likely to listen. Remember the sang you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I if we change our way of speaking to others on this forum, then people are more likely to listen to us. If people continue writing post where they attack instead of giving constructive criticism, then more people will be fleeing the forum and not starting new threads. Nobody is going to read flaming words from somebody's hot lips even if the poster is right. LOL

[tiggerr36792]

I don't understand how a thread can take a sudden left turn and go in the direction of attacking someones way of typing??? Geez when we are all perfect then we can cut others down, but until then why not be more tactful. I'm not god and I dont walk on water do you all??? Geezzzzzzz lets stop being mean to each other and be more respectful!