Designer Dogs = MUTTS

[Mydogkelsey]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

What does that mean they are "not a pure dog"? Yorkies are mixed breeds just as all of the most popular breeds right now are. I find it just plain "wrong" to somehow place a greater value on a dog who can be in a show ring than one who is born to parents who are different from each other.

I also learned and use the term "all american" to describe these beautiful babies and for me, I do not discriminate, as all dogs have value and are priceless for the love they give.

Also there are plenty of vets who will stand by the fact that all americans do have fewer health problems than purebreds.

Precious is Priceless!!!!

Perfectly said..I couldn't agree with you more. I sometimes feel people favor pure bred dogs over the "mixed" ...like theyre better. It's like comparing people...wealthy with the poor/not so wealthy. They are the same and should be treated equally.

[Mydogkelsey]

Originally Posted by Saragp

True, I did point it out. But I insinuated that the prices were insane not the girl. And no it isn't my business what anyone pays, but this is a FORUM and bringing up topics and discussing them is the Forum's function. I wasn't as mad about anyone paying the money as I was the breeders charging the money.

And yes people do pay thousands for pure breeds. That is because they are paying probably for breeding and showing purposes. Most papered/purebreds are champions for that kind of money.

I am sorry that you have missed my point. You are entitled to say what you want as am I. But the whole point of the post was that breeders were cashing in on these mixed breeds because it has become trendy. I didn't say they weren't being treated and/or loved any more or less.

Since I started this post, I am now finishing it.

Im sorry but I found the following VERY offensive. I dont know how you couldn't see it as sounding offensive??? I know your annoyed or bothered by this but why couldn't you just leave your reply in the "porkie thread" and not make up a whole knew post about this? Its almost like you wanted to start controversy or something..I dont know. I dont want to seem annoying but I agree with the owner of Biddy....

"These dogs are MUTTS"
"I can't believe that people are paying 500, 600 or even 1500 for a MUTT!!!"
"In the end, no matter what you call them, the bottom line is that they are mutts"

[Hickey007]

Originally Posted by Mydogkelsey

Im sorry but I found the following VERY offensive. I dont know how you couldn't see it as sounding offensive??? I know your annoyed or bothered by this but why couldn't you just leave your reply in the "porkie thread" and not make up a whole knew post about this? Its almost like you wanted to start controversy or something..I dont know. I dont want to seem annoying but I agree with the owner of Biddy....

I understand what you meant, you didn't feel a controversy should've ever started. But I have to say I don't think at all she should have kept it in the other post, as a matter of fact I think she should've started a new thread rather than responding in the other. Someone came on looking for advice and in my opinion she got slammed and you know that isn't the kind of advice she was looking for. Has she even responded since then? I think that this is the one topic we all need to find a little restraint on. There isn't another topic that people will get so offensive about. I've seen people talk about buying a puppy from a pet store and others will politely advice them not too. Or someone will have bought a puppy from a pet store and others may say what could happen but still in a polite way. We've had very polite discussions on puppy mills of differrent sorts. Different methods of training can be controversial but when discussed remain polite. But the minute someone mentions mixed breds pow its a big deal and things are said that are offensive. And really a little controversy doesn't bother me a bit. This thread was started to discuss this topic so great I'm completely fine with anything being said in it but when someone else starts a thread asking for something and you feel that you have something to add, just make sure it wouldn't offend you if you were in their shoes.

This wasn't directed at you Nicole, I just read where you wrote about the other thread and had an opinion of that, not saying you have done any of this.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Hickey007

I understand what you meant, you didn't feel a controversy should've ever started. But I have to say I don't think at all she should have kept it in the other post, as a matter of fact I think she should've started a new thread rather than responding in the other. Someone came on looking for advice and in my opinion she got slammed and you know that isn't the kind of advice she was looking for. Has she even responded since then? I think that this is the one topic we all need to find a little restraint on. There isn't another topic that people will get so offensive about. I've seen people talk about buying a puppy from a pet store and others will politely advice them not too. Or someone will have bought a puppy from a pet store and others may say what could happen but still in a polite way. We've had very polite discussions on puppy mills of differrent sorts. Different methods of training can be controversial but when discussed remain polite. But the minute someone mentions mixed breds pow its a big deal and things are said that are offensive. And really a little controversy doesn't bother me a bit. This thread was started to discuss this topic so great I'm completely fine with anything being said in it but when someone else starts a thread asking for something and you feel that you have something to add, just make sure it wouldn't offend you if you were in their shoes.

Well said. We need to be careful not to insult new members who come on YT to ask for advice. If we want to help these dogs (mixed or pure bred) out in the long run, it's our responsibility to politely educate prospective buyers -- not slam them for asking reasonable questions.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

Well said. We need to be careful not to insult new members who come on YT to ask for advice. If we want to help these dogs (mixed or pure bred) out in the long run, it's our responsibility to politely educate prospective buyers -- not slam them for asking reasonable questions.

I agree with you - I think many posts were only talking about the prices - We all love all yorkies and/or mixes... and all are welcome - there are way too many cuties on here to ever say anything against a mix - they are just as special to us....I think alot of the comments were more towards the high prices that seem to be everywhere now.

[Mydogkelsey]

Originally Posted by Hickey007

I understand what you meant, you didn't feel a controversy should've ever started. But I have to say I don't think at all she should have kept it in the other post, as a matter of fact I think she should've started a new thread rather than responding in the other. Someone came on looking for advice and in my opinion she got slammed and you know that isn't the kind of advice she was looking for. Has she even responded since then? I think that this is the one topic we all need to find a little restraint on. There isn't another topic that people will get so offensive about. I've seen people talk about buying a puppy from a pet store and others will politely advice them not too. Or someone will have bought a puppy from a pet store and others may say what could happen but still in a polite way. We've had very polite discussions on puppy mills of differrent sorts. Different methods of training can be controversial but when discussed remain polite. But the minute someone mentions mixed breds pow its a big deal and things are said that are offensive. And really a little controversy doesn't bother me a bit. This thread was started to discuss this topic so great I'm completely fine with anything being said in it but when someone else starts a thread asking for something and you feel that you have something to add, just make sure it wouldn't offend you if you were in their shoes.

This wasn't directed at you Nicole, I just read where you wrote about the other thread and had an opinion of that, not saying you have done any of this.

Yeah I completley understand what you mean..i totally agree with you.
"just make sure it wouldn't offend you if you were in their shoes."

[ukeka]

I Totally agree with biddys mom it's offensive! & I myself would like to better the yorkie breed one day! But to down mixed breed dogs is wrong

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD, THAT OWNS A YORKIE TODAY RIGHT HERE ,RIGHT NOW... YES YOU SPECIAL PEOPLE HERE ON YORKIE TALK WOULD NOT HAVE A FORUM, SPECIALTY STORES ,YORKIE BOOKS, SITES OR BREEDING PROGRAM IN PLACE IF IT WASN'T FOR WHAT YOU CALL A MUTT!!!!

ALL GREAT THING STARTED OUT IN CONTROVERSY! INCLUDING YOUR NOW PRECIOUS PUREBRED YORKIE WHO'S FOUNDATION IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN UN-REGISTERED, UN-AKC RECOGNIZED MAN MADE MIXED BREED DOG!

YES THERE ARE UMPTEENTH NUMBERS OF PERFECTLY ADOPTABLE MIX BREED & PUREBRED DOGS IN THE SHELTER AND WISH I COULD ADOPT THEM ALL BUT I SO TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT MUTT THIS AND PURPOSELY BREEDING A MIX THAT .IT'S HYPOCRITICAL TO SAY THAT THE ONLY PUREBREDS THAT ARE HERE TODAY WILL BE THE ONLY ONES HERE 10 YRS OR EVEN 50YRS FROM NOW?? FOR ALL WE KNOW IT COULD WELL BE THE 1ST YORKIE-POO PRANCING IN THE EUKANUBA TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS ON ANIMAL PLANET!

MOST BREEDER HAVE THE HISTORY OF THE YORKIE POSTED PLAN ON THERE SITE FOR ALL TO SEE

HERES WHAT IT SAY JUST AS PLAN AS THE MUTT IT STARTED OUT AS BEFORE IT WAS A RECOGNIZED BREED ! AND EVEN IN IT HISTORY IT WAS NOT CALLED A MUTT BUT A CROSS A MAN MADE CROSS ! YORKSHIRE TERRIERS OF TODAY DONT EVEN LOOK LIKE THEY DID THEN ! SO DONT TELL ME IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF EVALUTION

Breed History
HOW THE BREED WAS FORMED
Today's Yorkshire Terrier is very different from the early Yorkshire Terriers of the North of England. There are varying accounts of the origins of this breed and its development. I have tried to give the most accurate, and most widely agreed upon history of the Yorkshire Terrier assembled from books and publications written be reliable and experienced fanciers of the breed in the UK.
Before 1750, most British people worked in agriculture. The onset of the Industrial Revolution brought great changes to family life. In Yorkshire, small communities grew up around coal mines, textile mills and factories. People were drawn to these areas to seek work from as far away as Scotland. They brought with them a breed known as the Clydesdale Terrier, or Paisley Terrier. These were primarily working dogs, much larger than today's Yorkies, and were used for catching rats and other small mammals.

These terriers were inevitably crossed with other types of terrier, probably the English Black and Tan Toy Terrier, and the Skye Terrier; it is also thought that at some stage the Maltese Terrier was crossed with these breeds to help produce long coats. As the outline of the Maltese resembles that of many of today's Yorkies, this is very likely. Unfortunately, no records in the form of Pedigrees exist to confirm these crosses (possibly because of the poor level of literacy in these times), but a great deal is known about the type of people who bred them, and there can be no doubt that early breeders had a very clear idea of the type of dogs they were attempting to produce(HHMMM . We can see in today's Yorkies how strongly the terrier temperament has been retained.

Early Yorkshire Terriers and Breeders
One of the most famous early Yorkies was Huddersfield Ben, bred by a Mr. Eastwood and owned by Mr. M.A. Foster. Huddersfield Ben was born in 1865 and died in 1871, and can be said to be the father of the modern Yorkie. In his day "Ben" was a very popular stud dog who won many prizes in the show ring, and had tremendous influence in setting breed type.
In 1874 the first Yorkies were registered in the British Kennel Club stud book. They were referred to as "Broken Haired Scottish Terriers" or "Yorkshire Terriers", until 1886, when the Kennel Club recognised the Yorkshire Terrier as an individual breed. The first Yorkshire Terrier breed club was formed in 1898. During these early years, one who greatly influenced the breed was Lady Edith Wyndham-Dawson. Lady Edith was secretary of the Yorkshire Terrier Club for some time and did much early work for the improvement of the breed. Later, a Miss Palmer, who was Lady Edith's kennel maid, started her own Yorkie kennel under the "Winpal" prefix. When Lady Edith returned to Ireland at the start of World War I, Miss Palmer went to work for Mrs. Crookshank of the famous Johnstounburn prefix, a name with a long list of champions, which is now in the care of Daphne Hillman, who was entrusted with this prefix, and still uses it along with her own Yorkfold prefix.

Many others have worked very hard since these early years to improve this breed, and to these breeders much is owed. Many of their early dogs became the foundation stock of kennels in North America and elsewhere.

Yorkies Today
The Yorkshire Terrier now flourishes throughout the world and the early breeders who were instrumental in producing the diminutive toy terrier of today would surely be astounded at the success of this delightful breed. In 1932 only 300 Yorkies were registered with the British Kennel Club, in 1957 the number was 2313, and in the 1970's Yorkies were the most popular breed in Britain. This trend continued until 1990 with a record of 25,665 Yorkies registered. However, this figure has now begun to drop, and in 1994 there were 12343 registrations, with the Yorkie being recorded as the 7th most popular breed.

[stacisnyder04]

I am offended too. I own a yorkie/maltese mix, (I guess a MUTT). I paid $250 and he is soo worth it. I LOVE him and would pay more for him if I had to.......... I think I am going to stop there.

[stacisnyder04]

I paid the same for my purebreed yorkie.

[PinkMartini]

Originally Posted by Saragp

I guess the bottom line is that I am just upset that these breeders are what I feel, taking advantage of a trend that seems to be sweeping the nation. Put the word 'designer' on it and all the sudden its on the news!

I totally agree! I totally am against people intentionally breeding mutts. In my experience, most of the people who breed these dogs are making a ton of money at it. And most of the people who buy these dogs are good people who are simply mis/underinformed.

It's staggering how many people are not aware that there are purebred dogs to suit almost every lifestyle. Instead of a Labradoodle, how about a Curly-Coated Retriever or a Portuguese Water Dog?

I am not anti mixed-breeds. I am pro-dog across the board. But the advantage of adhering to purebreds and participating in a system with registries, regulations, etc., is that if it is properly carried out, you end up with breeders who are accountable, knowledgable, and breed with the best interest of the dogs in mind. This includes spay/neuter contracts for pet-quality puppies, not breeding dogs with health or temperament issues, and making sure that the family/owners of a dog are well-suited for the breed (i.e., no Border Collies for city families!) and committed to the well-being of the dog.

The dogs being bred in these cases are not health tested, not temperament tested, and have no titles to prove that they can work, or adhere to the standard. All that is being produced is a mutt. A mutt that you could find ANYWHERE.

A responsible breeder who would health test, temperament test, and title a dog would not be busy breeding mutts. They'd be concentrating on bettering the breeds that already exist. Any breeder purposefully breeding mutts is a breeder to stay away from, because breeding mutts is irresponsible.

Mutts are everywhere. Go to the pound and you'll find these "very good dogs" of every variety, size, and coat type. There are plenty of these mutts, we don't need them to be purposefully bred. We have too many dogs already. It's one thing if someone is breeding show or working quality dogs to better a breed... it's another to pump out puppies to make money because the mix they are creating is popular. Breeding dogs to make money is despicable. A reputable breeder would not be making money off their pups.

There are breeds to fit every lifestyle; we don't need purposefully bred MUTTS. If you want a low-shed breed, get a poodle. They're smart, friendly, and playful. Or go to the shelter and adopt a low-shed breed. We have NO use for these designer dogs.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by PinkMartini

I totally agree! I totally am against people intentionally breeding mutts. In my experience, most of the people who breed these dogs are making a ton of money at it. And most of the people who buy these dogs are good people who are simply mis/underinformed.

It's staggering how many people are not aware that there are purebred dogs to suit almost every lifestyle. Instead of a Labradoodle, how about a Curly-Coated Retriever or a Portuguese Water Dog?

I am not anti mixed-breeds. I am pro-dog across the board. But the advantage of adhering to purebreds and participating in a system with registries, regulations, etc., is that if it is properly carried out, you end up with breeders who are accountable, knowledgable, and breed with the best interest of the dogs in mind. This includes spay/neuter contracts for pet-quality puppies, not breeding dogs with health or temperament issues, and making sure that the family/owners of a dog are well-suited for the breed (i.e., no Border Collies for city families!) and committed to the well-being of the dog.

The dogs being bred in these cases are not health tested, not temperament tested, and have no titles to prove that they can work, or adhere to the standard. All that is being produced is a mutt. A mutt that you could find ANYWHERE.

A responsible breeder who would health test, temperament test, and title a dog would not be busy breeding mutts. They'd be concentrating on bettering the breeds that already exist. Any breeder purposefully breeding mutts is a breeder to stay away from, because breeding mutts is irresponsible.

Mutts are everywhere. Go to the pound and you'll find these "very good dogs" of every variety, size, and coat type. There are plenty of these mutts, we don't need them to be purposefully bred. We have too many dogs already. It's one thing if someone is breeding show or working quality dogs to better a breed... it's another to pump out puppies to make money because the mix they are creating is popular. Breeding dogs to make money is despicable. A reputable breeder would not be making money off their pups.

There are breeds to fit every lifestyle; we don't need purposefully bred MUTTS. If you want a low-shed breed, get a poodle. They're smart, friendly, and playful. Or go to the shelter and adopt a low-shed breed. We have NO use for these designer dogs.

Great post!

[eshuser]

I am offended as well, the best animal I have ever had is a mixed breed and she is the most affectionate dog I have ever been around. I have adopted dogs from a local shelter, and they were great dogs, but people have their reasons for not doing that...and no one else knows what that reason might have been. I have seen people pay for a mixed breed and I agree with everyone else that has said that the amount of love these dogs bring is priceless. I'm sorry that some of you have a problem with people like me and other people I know, but you know what..it's my money and my life not yours!

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by PinkMartini

I totally agree! I totally am against people intentionally breeding mutts. In my experience, most of the people who breed these dogs are making a ton of money at it. And most of the people who buy these dogs are good people who are simply mis/underinformed.

It's staggering how many people are not aware that there are purebred dogs to suit almost every lifestyle. Instead of a Labradoodle, how about a Curly-Coated Retriever or a Portuguese Water Dog?

I am not anti mixed-breeds. I am pro-dog across the board. But the advantage of adhering to purebreds and participating in a system with registries, regulations, etc., is that if it is properly carried out, you end up with breeders who are accountable, knowledgable, and breed with the best interest of the dogs in mind. This includes spay/neuter contracts for pet-quality puppies, not breeding dogs with health or temperament issues, and making sure that the family/owners of a dog are well-suited for the breed (i.e., no Border Collies for city families!) and committed to the well-being of the dog.

The dogs being bred in these cases are not health tested, not temperament tested, and have no titles to prove that they can work, or adhere to the standard. All that is being produced is a mutt. A mutt that you could find ANYWHERE.

A responsible breeder who would health test, temperament test, and title a dog would not be busy breeding mutts. They'd be concentrating on bettering the breeds that already exist. Any breeder purposefully breeding mutts is a breeder to stay away from, because breeding mutts is irresponsible.

Mutts are everywhere. Go to the pound and you'll find these "very good dogs" of every variety, size, and coat type. There are plenty of these mutts, we don't need them to be purposefully bred. We have too many dogs already. It's one thing if someone is breeding show or working quality dogs to better a breed... it's another to pump out puppies to make money because the mix they are creating is popular. Breeding dogs to make money is despicable. A reputable breeder would not be making money off their pups.

There are breeds to fit every lifestyle; we don't need purposefully bred MUTTS. If you want a low-shed breed, get a poodle. They're smart, friendly, and playful. Or go to the shelter and adopt a low-shed breed. We have NO use for these designer dogs.

such a controversial thread and I don't want hurt feelings, but I'd have to agree.

[stacisnyder04]

Originally Posted by PinkMartini

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A responsible breeder who would health test, temperament test, and title a dog would not be busy breeding mutts. They'd be concentrating on bettering the breeds that already exist. Any breeder purposefully breeding mutts is a breeder to stay away from, because breeding mutts is irresponsible.
is despicable. A reputable breeder would not be making money off their pups.

My soo called mutt came from a vet. I dont think that vets are irresponsible when it comes to animals. She is a very nice lady and I am offended that she is called "irresposible" when she is not at all just because she did not breed two yorkies together, it is NOT despicable.

[txshopper73]

Like I said...a controversial subject and feelings will get hurt. this thread should be closed.