What do they do with older pups?

[Gigi485]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

You can look Sully's breeder up yourself. This is the USDA "puppymill" list by state:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

If Sully came from a pet shop, you can get a free report here:

Free Puppy Report

Oh boy, so are you telling me if the breeder is on this USDA list that's NOT a good thing? She is on this list - I thought being on a USDA breeder list was a good thing. I did hear about get this free report and it says there are no suspensions on file for her. There are 6 puppies listed that are attached to her name (including mine). All say healthy except 3. Two say cough and one says diarrhea & eats feces (that's mine).

[Gigi485]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

No, that is not good. USDA licensed breeders are large scale commercial kennels, what we call puppy mills. They have bare minimum guidelines for care and are under inspected.

Puppymills - commercial dog kennels and the USDA

REALLY! Oh boy....this is unbelieveable. My stomach hurts after reading this one....Well, I guess I learned something new today. I really thought if someone was licensed by the government that they at least had to follow some rules and that made me feel a little better about where he came from. His papers list 5 generations going back.....Now, I feel like I just added to the problem. No wonder she never wrote me back. She probably thinks I'm a moron. Here I am thinking, I'll send her a note with a picture and she'll be thrilled to know where one of her puppies went.....yeah right. She probably doesn't even know which one he came from. I can just imagine what his poor mother has gone through.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Gigi485

REALLY! Oh boy....this is unbelieveable. My stomach hurts after reading this one....Well, I guess I learned something new today. I really thought if someone was licensed by the government that they at least had to follow some rules and that made me feel a little better about where he came from. His papers list 5 generations going back.....Now, I feel like I just added to the problem. No wonder she never wrote me back. She probably thinks I'm a moron. Here I am thinking, I'll send her a note with a picture and she'll be thrilled to know where one of her puppies went.....yeah right. She probably doesn't even know which one he came from. I can just imagine what his poor mother has gone through.

No, puppy millers don't care where their puppies go. They sell them for a couple hundred dollars each to brokers who then sell them to pet stores across the country.

They are treated like livestock by the millers. They don't waste any money on health testing and provide only the bare minimum care required, often not even that.

All dogs have a pedigree, a family tree. A five generation pedigree just means he has relatives. A well bred Yorkie has lots of champions (in red) in his pedigree.

Checking to make sure a breeder isn't on the USDA "puppymill" list should be one of the first steps when researching a breeder.

You want to get a puppy from a reputable breeder who raises her puppies in the house so they will be well socialized. Reputable breeders never sell to a broker as they truly care about where their puppies go.

[Gigi485]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

No, puppy millers don't care where their puppies go. They sell them for a couple hundred dollars each to brokers who then sell them to pet stores across the country.

They are treated like livestock by the millers. They don't waste any money on health testing and provide only the bare minimum care required, often not even that.

All dogs have a pedigree, a family tree. A five generation pedigree just means he has relatives. A well bred Yorkie has lots of champions (in red) in his pedigree.

Checking to make sure a breeder isn't on the USDA "puppymill" list should be one of the first steps when researching a breeder.

You want to get a puppy from a reputable breeder who raises her puppies in the house so they will be well socialized. Reputable breeders never sell to a broker as they truly care about where their puppies go.

We were thinking of getting a second one in the fall after he turns 1 year old. We're DEFINITELY going to make sure we do some serious checking before hand. I found a couple people in my area and one requires that we come to her house for an "interview" and then if we pass we're put on a waiting list. I'm thinking this sounds like a person who REALLY cares where her pups go.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Gigi485

We were thinking of getting a second one in the fall after he turns 1 year old. We're DEFINITELY going to make sure we do some serious checking before hand. I found a couple people in my area and one requires that we come to her house for an "interview" and then if we pass we're put on a waiting list. I'm thinking this sounds like a person who REALLY cares where her pups go.

Yes, that's what reputable breeders do!

[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by afrye06

I cant even stand to go into petland or jack's aquariums because they sell puppies. I refuse to purchase anything from either of those stores and I pressure my friends and family to totally boycott these stores also. I work at the petshotel at petsmart and we get people in there all the time asking if the dogs there for daycamp are for sale and when I tell them no they ask where the puppies for sale are and I let them know we dont sell dogs, but we do hold adoption events on weekends. They usually dont like that answer so they will ask who does sell puppies I tell them I dont know. There's no way I'm giving people ithe nformation to buy puppymill puppies. I've had people get mad at me for "not knowing" but I really dont care! The most I'll EVER do for these people is offer them the phone numbers and e-mail addresses to shelters we work with, but the customers don't usually take the numbers. I wish i could tell people about stores like petland when they ask, but unfortunately, if I'm wearing the petsmart uniform I'm not allowed to bash the competitors. It makes me so mad because the people are obviously unknowledgable and someone needs to tell them!

Is it a rule at Petsmart that you can't tell people where the puppies come from? Also, how come you can't tell people where to go to get a good puppy breeder? I mean, my sister wants a puppy, actually she was going to take one of my puppies from the litter I can't have now, thanks to my lieing breeder, but anyway she and many other people don't want full grown dogs from a pound....where do they go?

[afrye06]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

Is it a rule at Petsmart that you can't tell people where the puppies come from? Also, how come you can't tell people where to go to get a good puppy breeder? I mean, my sister wants a puppy, actually she was going to take one of my puppies from the litter I can't have now, thanks to my lieing breeder, but anyway she and many other people don't want full grown dogs from a pound....where do they go?

I cant talk bad about another company....It sucks, but when your working for a corporate company you dont really have an opinion while your in uniform. I can tell people about where to go to get a good dog. I dont specifically know of any yorkie breeders in my area, so i can offer advice about shelters and rescues. I just got a yorkie puppy from a rescue, so your sister and others could too.

[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by afrye06

I cant talk bad about another company....It sucks, but when your working for a corporate company you dont really have an opinion while your in uniform. I can tell people about where to go to get a good dog. I dont specifically know of any yorkie breeders in my area, so i can offer advice about shelters and rescues. I just got a yorkie puppy from a rescue, so your sister and others could too.

Was it a puppy though? Some people say, if they're completely honest, that they don't want a dog that has issues because of what some jerk did to it....they want baby puppies so that they know what they're getting. I know it stinks because it doesn't mean you're going to get a bad dog but when you have kids and other animals it's hard to let a dog into your home that you don't know.....I'm going to talk to the trainer at the humane society when we go for class on Tuesday and see what she says...

[afrye06]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

Was it a puppy though? Some people say, if they're completely honest, that they don't want a dog that has issues because of what some jerk did to it....they want baby puppies so that they know what they're getting. I know it stinks because it doesn't mean you're going to get a bad dog but when you have kids and other animals it's hard to let a dog into your home that you don't know.....I'm going to talk to the trainer at the humane society when we go for class on Tuesday and see what she says...

Yes I said she was a puppy. She's 15 weeks old. I wouldn't have minded an older dog, but my mom wanted a puppy and it's technically her dog. I'm very comfortable around pretty much all dogs and behavioral issues and such don't really scare me. It would be harder to deal with, especially with my dog I already have, but I actually wouldn't might one day adopting a dog who needs emotional rehabiliation. The new puppy doesn't seem to have any issues that I've noticed, but even young puppies can have issues. They just tend to get over them faster.

[scrapindee]

I don't do business in any store that sells dogs or cats. They always say the animals come from local breeders.....NOT. The stores buy the animals for $250 and sell them for $2500.....

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[rebeccag]

Originally Posted by afrye06

Yes I said she was a puppy. She's 15 weeks old. I wouldn't have minded an older dog, but my mom wanted a puppy and it's technically her dog. I'm very comfortable around pretty much all dogs and behavioral issues and such don't really scare me. It would be harder to deal with, especially with my dog I already have, but I actually wouldn't might one day adopting a dog who needs emotional rehabiliation. The new puppy doesn't seem to have any issues that I've noticed, but even young puppies can have issues. They just tend to get over them faster.

Yeah, I guess your right. I'm actually going to talk to my trainer and get involved at the humane society and maybe locate a pup for my sister....I'd like to put some time in over there anyway just to help out....

[Gigi485]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

Is it a rule at Petsmart that you can't tell people where the puppies come from? Also, how come you can't tell people where to go to get a good puppy breeder? I mean, my sister wants a puppy, actually she was going to take one of my puppies from the litter I can't have now, thanks to my lieing breeder, but anyway she and many other people don't want full grown dogs from a pound....where do they go?

I went on ytca.org and there's a couple of breeders in New England. One woman has a litter due this month and her pups will be ready to go at the end of July. PM me if you want her contact info. There's also a woman in Lawrence, MA her name is Susan. Google Clover Hill Yorkies and you can see her website. She's supposedly has a good reputation.

[nlappegard]

Originally Posted by rebeccag

Yeah, I guess your right. I'm actually going to talk to my trainer and get involved at the humane society and maybe locate a pup for my sister....I'd like to put some time in over there anyway just to help out....

i have a nice little female on my website right now named Bonita that will beable to go home when she is 3 months old she's really a nice puppy Bowie and Beji are her bothers these puppies live in my home with me and are loved and i only sell them as pets
YORKIES FOR SALE | Yorkie puppies | Tiny Teacup puppies

[tokes]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Please, please, never "rescue" a pet store puppy! You will only guarantee that more dogs will suffer in puppy mills to produce more puppies to fill the empty cage.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.

I read the whole thing ("Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner"), and just can't believe that there are people out there who actually think like this!!!!!!! Makes me sick...

[mizzwanned]

I don't know what they do but i know it is probably something sad. I am happy though because there was a petstore in the mall near my brother's house and it got closed down! woohoo!! That's one down, more to go. I always felt bad for all the puppies there. Now i wish there was this one downtown that would get closed. I worked there for one day in the retail section and quit that same day. They had puppies selling upstairs for about $3000 and even younger puppies as young as 6 weeks old waiting downstairs in wire cages for the upstairs ones to be sold so they can move upstairs. It was horrible. All i wanted to do was give them all love and take them out of there. And i watched as the ppl that sold them lied to costumers about where they got them and how they will stay small. I wish there was someway to close them down. This is their website
http://americankennels.com/sale.html