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topknot · 04-26-2009, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewight24

how do i post pics? i am hopeing for a blue born also because i would be affraid of the medical issues that are associated with albinoism in any type of animal. I had not ever even heard of blur born till now either. mine and all i have ever seen were black and gold/tan (i say like little rauties). But this one has thrown me throught a loop. If she a "blue Then i believe i will keep her to breed as long as she checks out ok. I albino, the spade her and make the potential home aware of risks.

IMG - I am pretty sure from the photos it is a blue born. This is Bad!!! I am so sorry for her and you. You have a Lot of reading to do!! Never breed a blue born and I would spay the mom and neuter the daddy now! You never want this happening again. This is what reputable breeders would do if it happened to them. I am so sorry. I know you did not mean for this to happen, but now that it has you have to deal with it. This is one thing that makes breeding so hard. You never want to bring another blue born into this world. I have heard they go through a lot of pain and many do not make it to one year old. I would not sell this pup - you do not wnat anyone else to go through this heart ache. Keep us updated and let us know how this little angel does throughout her life.

Sounds like there are several more on here had no idea about what a blue born is. Please remember to Never give advice unless you are educated and know what you are talking about. I know you guys want to help and think that anything different is special or cute - But in most cases it is Not good. And anything listed as Rare is also a Bad thing in breeding with dogs! Breeding is a very serious business and should be taken very seriously with a lot of knowledge behind you. It is like playing God when breeding. You must research carefully about the genetics of the parents/ancestors before breeding and know a lot about yorkies - health issues that could come up, genetics issues, and the standard, etc... Now this poor baby has a very rough road for it. I am just so sad for this little creature and her mama.

topknot · 04-26-2009, 04:21 AM

Here is some more information about blue born from Health Issues :

"The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.

When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring.

Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain."
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Just my opinion now -
...And having the parents also spayed/neutered is just my opinion and what I would do if this happened to me.

Lolapup · 04-26-2009, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topknot

Here is some more information about blue born from Health Issues :

"The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.

When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring.

Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain."
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Just my opinion now -
...And having the parents also spayed/neutered is just my opinion and what I would do if this happened to me.

That poor baby

I agree, the parents need to be spayed and neutered to prevent this from happening again.

topknot · 04-26-2009, 04:41 AM

I also wanted to add..

there are some people with blue born pups and some have done okay. You just have to play it by ear and deal with any health issues when they come up. It seems like if they make it through the first few days of life you have them through the first hurdle. The next one ususally comes when at the age for when a yorkie normally goes through their change of color. So sounds like you are okay till then. She may have hair or not on the back and places where the blue is. You just will have to wait and see. Best of luck.
But now you know not to breed her!
T.

dewight24 · 04-26-2009, 06:55 AM

"Never breed a blue born and I would spay the mom and neuter the daddy now! You never want this happening again. This is what reputable breeders would do if it happened to them"

Again I just want to thank all for the input. For a reminder, both dam and sire are AKC and DNA tested through them. The sire has had numerous litters with no problems till now (if its indeed blue, which I also believe but holding out hope). I don't believe neutering is the answer as suggested. I may not be a "professional" breeder, but I am far from a "backyard" breeder. I have and will only continue to breed what is quality. they both have championship bloodlines so we will wait and see on this before i would let this particular pair mate again. Here’s a few pics of dad with different haircuts.

topknot · 04-26-2009, 07:47 AM

Spaying/neutering is just what I would do, as mentioned in the after posts you quoted from.

Remember though - being from champion lines and DNA does not mean the dog is worth breeding. I have had dogs that were championed sired and damed and were DNA (which does not guarantee quality - but only can prove parentage) also was AKC (all my dogs are only AKC, but being AKC does not automatically mean they are worth breeding) - and when they grew up they were not worth breeding, so I had them neutered - one I did not like his coat and the other grew to 8 pounds - this is when I was first breeding/showing. I have a female now I am thinking of having spayed, due to her having a c-section and was not even her fault. Her pup got stuck trying to go up the other horn. I know - that was a new one for me and I was a vet tech for many years and never heard of this one. But it can and did happen. She is a champion too, but I am just not sure I want to risk it next time. I am just pretty picky too. I know, a lot of time, love, and money go into our babies. This is why breeding is not easy. We have so many hardships, but it is the hopes that keep us going.
You can check out my dogs in my album.

topknot · 04-26-2009, 08:00 AM

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Again I just want to thank all for the input. For a reminder, both dam and sire are AKC and DNA tested through them. The sire has had numerous litters with no problems till now (if its indeed blue, which I also believe but holding out hope). I don't believe neutering is the answer as suggested. I may not be a "professional" breeder, but I am far from a "backyard" breeder. I have and will only continue to breed what is quality. they both have championship bloodlines so we will wait and see on this before i would let this particular pair mate again. Here’s a few pics of dad with different haircuts. - dewight24 [/QUOTE]

I do want to add that I am wishing all the best for you. I know how hard it is. All we can do is our best. My post are never intented to be negative or mean, just to educate. So I hope it was not taken wrong. Best of luck with your babies. I know you love our babies so much!

T.

topknot · 04-26-2009, 08:14 AM

You might want to check with YorkieRose here on YT - she can help you with this topic of Blue Born pups.
T.

bchgirl · 04-26-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topknot

You might want to check with YorkieRose here on YT - she can help you with this topic of Blue Born pups.
T.

Unfortunately yorkierose no longer posts here.

dewight24 · 04-27-2009, 07:47 AM

I guess my biggest questions I have to answer for myself at this point are... 1 is it the pair that produced the genetic defect (the sire has not ever had a concern in his offspring before) 2 is it the dam? This is her first litter and if I was to take a chance with her and a different sire in the future would she have another "blue".

Yes, I love my babies. They are my kids first and breed them second. I don't let my biest for my babies get in the way when it comes to breeding. I want to I want to improve the breed not degrade it.

I was not offended by any of the comments before now, I have very thick skin lol. I just don’t want to mislead or be mistaken as someone who doesn’t care for the dogs and just in it to try and make money.

gloriajean · 04-27-2009, 08:45 AM

I had a puppy born that looked just like yours too! I thought "blue" but as time went on the color changed and she had a liver colored nose and I thought "chocolate" which was a surprise because the pair had never had blue or chocolate before. we kept her for 6 months little by little her color changed and she became the blue/gold beautiful female.I think she just didn't get the color and pigmentation at birth because my female was older and this was her last liter that's the only thing I can come up with. Time will tell just wait.

04-26-2009, 06:55 AM	#20
dewight24 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: raeford, nc, usa Posts: 6	"Never breed a blue born and I would spay the mom and neuter the daddy now! You never want this happening again. This is what reputable breeders would do if it happened to them" Again I just want to thank all for the input. For a reminder, both dam and sire are AKC and DNA tested through them. The sire has had numerous litters with no problems till now (if its indeed blue, which I also believe but holding out hope). I don't believe neutering is the answer as suggested. I may not be a "professional" breeder, but I am far from a "backyard" breeder. I have and will only continue to breed what is quality. they both have championship bloodlines so we will wait and see on this before i would let this particular pair mate again. Here’s a few pics of dad with different haircuts. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by dewight24; 04-26-2009 at 06:58 AM.

04-26-2009, 07:47 AM	#21
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Spaying/neutering is just what I would do, as mentioned in the after posts you quoted from. Remember though - being from champion lines and DNA does not mean the dog is worth breeding. I have had dogs that were championed sired and damed and were DNA (which does not guarantee quality - but only can prove parentage) also was AKC (all my dogs are only AKC, but being AKC does not automatically mean they are worth breeding) - and when they grew up they were not worth breeding, so I had them neutered - one I did not like his coat and the other grew to 8 pounds - this is when I was first breeding/showing. I have a female now I am thinking of having spayed, due to her having a c-section and was not even her fault. Her pup got stuck trying to go up the other horn. I know - that was a new one for me and I was a vet tech for many years and never heard of this one. But it can and did happen. She is a champion too, but I am just not sure I want to risk it next time. I am just pretty picky too. I know, a lot of time, love, and money go into our babies. This is why breeding is not easy. We have so many hardships, but it is the hopes that keep us going. You can check out my dogs in my album. Last edited by topknot; 04-26-2009 at 07:51 AM.

04-26-2009, 08:00 AM	#22
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	[/QUOTE] Again I just want to thank all for the input. For a reminder, both dam and sire are AKC and DNA tested through them. The sire has had numerous litters with no problems till now (if its indeed blue, which I also believe but holding out hope). I don't believe neutering is the answer as suggested. I may not be a "professional" breeder, but I am far from a "backyard" breeder. I have and will only continue to breed what is quality. they both have championship bloodlines so we will wait and see on this before i would let this particular pair mate again. Here’s a few pics of dad with different haircuts. - dewight24 [/QUOTE] I do want to add that I am wishing all the best for you. I know how hard it is. All we can do is our best. My post are never intented to be negative or mean, just to educate. So I hope it was not taken wrong. Best of luck with your babies. I know you love our babies so much! T. Last edited by topknot; 04-26-2009 at 08:01 AM.

04-27-2009, 08:45 AM	#26
gloriajean YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 460	Me too I had a puppy born that looked just like yours too! I thought "blue" but as time went on the color changed and she had a liver colored nose and I thought "chocolate" which was a surprise because the pair had never had blue or chocolate before. we kept her for 6 months little by little her color changed and she became the blue/gold beautiful female.I think she just didn't get the color and pigmentation at birth because my female was older and this was her last liter that's the only thing I can come up with. Time will tell just wait.

04-26-2009, 04:21 AM	#17
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Here is some more information about blue born from Health Issues : "The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen. When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring. Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain." ************************ Just my opinion now - ...And having the parents also spayed/neutered is just my opinion and what I would do if this happened to me.

04-26-2009, 04:41 AM	#19
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I also wanted to add.. there are some people with blue born pups and some have done okay. You just have to play it by ear and deal with any health issues when they come up. It seems like if they make it through the first few days of life you have them through the first hurdle. The next one ususally comes when at the age for when a yorkie normally goes through their change of color. So sounds like you are okay till then. She may have hair or not on the back and places where the blue is. You just will have to wait and see. Best of luck. But now you know not to breed her! T.

04-26-2009, 08:14 AM	#23
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	You might want to check with YorkieRose here on YT - she can help you with this topic of Blue Born pups. T.

04-27-2009, 07:47 AM	#25
dewight24 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: raeford, nc, usa Posts: 6	I guess my biggest questions I have to answer for myself at this point are... 1 is it the pair that produced the genetic defect (the sire has not ever had a concern in his offspring before) 2 is it the dam? This is her first litter and if I was to take a chance with her and a different sire in the future would she have another "blue". Yes, I love my babies. They are my kids first and breed them second. I don't let my biest for my babies get in the way when it comes to breeding. I want to I want to improve the breed not degrade it. I was not offended by any of the comments before now, I have very thick skin lol. I just don’t want to mislead or be mistaken as someone who doesn’t care for the dogs and just in it to try and make money.