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phfgkl 04-07-2009 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 2565470)
Maybe if the puppy millers and backyard breeders stopped pumping out the mixes (or dogs period) there would be less in the shelters. Maybe if people stopped making excuses and educated themselves and stopped buying from petstores, mills and BYB. Maybe if puppy millers and BYB realised that's what they really are and what they are doing is wrong there would be less in the shelters.

I see so many BYB on here and all over the net that for some reason do not think they are or a part of the problem.

I think buyer need to beware, be educated and stop the process. There is so much more to stopping the over pet-population then just adopting, there is also trying to do your part before the animals end up in the shelters. You can't support bad breeding practices then complain no one wants to adopt the ones who are the results.
You have to realize, there are a LOT of purebreds that end up in the shelter, it's just that most of them go in to rescues so quickly it makes your head spin. I have known a lot of owners of mixed breeds, and, I've never personally known one to end up in the pound. A mixed breed tends to usually learn commands, housebreaking, etc much quicker, which in turn makes people want to keep their mixes.

cj125 04-07-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2565904)
Actually if you do a search, this is the "true" meaning of a backyard breeder

A backyard breeder is someone who keeps a number of dogs and either breeds them deliberately or just lets them breed. Backyard breeders may have a few dogs or many, one breed or several. They usually have no understanding of or concern about the breed standard, genetics, socializing the dogs, and maintaining their health. Don't confuse them with "hobby breeders," who breed small numbers of dogs and care for their dogs well.
I really don't think this pertains to the OP
What? Are we reading the same paragraph? :confused:

hugz4all4 04-07-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 2565470)
Maybe if the puppy millers and backyard breeders stopped pumping out the mixes (or dogs period) there would be less in the shelters. Maybe if people stopped making excuses and educated themselves and stopped buying from petstores, mills and BYB. Maybe if puppy millers and BYB realised that's what they really are and what they are doing is wrong there would be less in the shelters.

I see so many BYB on here and all over the net that for some reason do not think they are or a part of the problem.

I think buyer need to beware, be educated and stop the process. There is so much more to stopping the over pet-population then just adopting, there is also trying to do your part before the animals end up in the shelters. You can't support bad breeding practices then complain no one wants to adopt the ones who are the results.

my question to you is then.. did you go and adopt your yorkie from a shelter or did you buy it??

I dont know you, Im just asking. You and many others are so quick to jump on those who want to own mixes and start preaching that they should of gone to a shelter first but yet they are the first to sign on to YT and say how much money they just spent on their new little yorkie pup when there are sweet little yorkies in shelters everywhere everyday.
Why is that??


Do I think that she should breed her 2 dogs together just to see what the pups will look like or for whatever reason... absoultely NOT. I dont condone random breeding for anyone. I am a firm beleiver in spaying and neutering and I would love to see spaying and neutering be mandated for the majority of pet owners. However that will never happen and our shelters will continue to stay full.

cj125 04-07-2009 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2565917)
You have to realize, there are a LOT of purebreds that end up in the shelter, it's just that most of them go in to rescues so quickly it makes your head spin. I have known a lot of owners of mixed breeds, and, I've never personally known one to end up in the pound. A mixed breed tends to usually learn commands, housebreaking, etc much quicker, which in turn makes people want to keep their mixes.
Do you mind me asking where you got your information? I mean was there some actual "study" done that provides facts to support your comment - or is it just your opinion?

BamaFan121s 04-07-2009 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2565923)
there are sweet little yorkies in shelters everywhere everyday.
Why is that??
Much like yourself, I have no actual facts to base my theory on, but...
I would suspect that happens because so many people jumped on the Yorkie bandwagon and started mass producing them. If that were not the case, then the number of Yorkies that you purportedly see would likely decrease. So the real question is, where are the majority of the Yorkies that land in shelters and rescue coming from?

(For the record, I have been on the contact list for our local shelter for years for any Yorkie that comes into the shelter that is not either reunited with it's owner or adopted out within 10 days and as of yet, I have never had to go and pick one up. Which is GREAT!)

phfgkl 04-07-2009 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2565922)
What? Are we reading the same paragraph? :confused:
She really is not a backyard breeder. I really never say much about what people want to do with their dogs as far as breeding. I know when I breed biewers, I will breed back to a biewer, but, to each his own. We can't all say it's only mixed breeds that end up in shelters. Look how many yorkies are in rescues. My sister used to breed morkies, she never had a problem selling any of them, and they're all still very much loved and all still in the original homes they were placed in. Maybe the OP shouldn't have asked advice on here. I guess the ones that want to breed mixes, should just do it and not ask for opinions

phfgkl 04-07-2009 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2565929)
Do you mind me asking where you got your information? I mean was there some actual "study" done that provides facts to support your comment - or is it just your opinion?
Yes, I signed up a long time ago for petfinder to send me adoptable yorkies, do you know how many new ones pop up a week and come to me via e-mail? It's very sad, there are a lot of purebred yorkies(not mixes), but, they are in rescues.

zorrolinchen 04-07-2009 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by erickajm (Post 2564841)
Yorkie Yay...Poo Nay

Maybe I am old school. But it is just a cute name for a mutt. If you are going to breed than breed to better the breed stick with either Poodle or Yorkie... don't breed to make fancy mutts...JMO
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

cj125 04-07-2009 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2565952)
She really is not a backyard breeder. I really never say much about what people want to do with their dogs as far as breeding. I know when I breed biewers, I will breed back to a biewer, but, to each his own. We can't all say it's only mixed breeds that end up in shelters. Look how many yorkies are in rescues. My sister used to breed morkies, she never had a problem selling any of them, and they're all still very much loved and all still in the original homes they were placed in. Maybe the OP shouldn't have asked advice on here. I guess the ones that want to breed mixes, should just do it and not ask for opinions
Ok, just out of curousity... why will you be breeding back to a biewer?

BamaFan121s 04-07-2009 08:04 AM
Kind of off the subject, but I always find it a little disturbing when I hear comments to the tune of "...it's never any problem to sell the mixed breed dogs..." or "I breed these because I don't have a problem selling them" :thumbdown To me it suggest what the real goal is for many--concentrate on producing the dogs that will sell. It disheartening to think THAT is the determining factor, although for many, I know it is. :(

hugz4all4 04-07-2009 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2565943)
Much like yourself, I have no actual facts to base my theory on, but...
I would suspect that happens because so many people jumped on the Yorkie bandwagon and started mass producing them. If that were not the case, then the number of Yorkies that you purportedly see would likely decrease. So the real question is, where are the majority of the Yorkies that land in shelters and rescue coming from?

(For the record, I have been on the contact list for our local shelter for years for any Yorkie that comes into the shelter that is not either reunited with it's owner or adopted out within 10 days and as of yet, I have never had to go and pick one up. Which is GREAT!)

I get my facts from the rescue section from this forum, everyday or just about everyday some one has posted about a yorkie that needs to be rescued. Thanks for you answer. Im happy to hear that you have yet to have to go pick up a rescue yorkie, lets hope it continues. ;)

cj125 04-07-2009 08:08 AM
So you really don't have any numbers on this - just your personal opinion. Petfinder is a sales forum. That has nothing to do with going down to your local humane society. They don't get every dog posted on their own sites much less Petfinder. But honestly, I don't want to argue about the numbers - I have my opinion on that, too... it's about the dogs. The dogs that are being bred -- just because. It really doesn't matter to me if they are pure or mixed. Too many people are breeding that shouldn't be. Simple as that.

cj125 04-07-2009 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2565976)
I get my facts from the rescue section from this forum, everyday or just about everyday some one has posted about a yorkie that needs to be rescued. Thanks for you answer. Im happy to hear that you have yet to have to go pick up a rescue yorkie, lets hope it continues. ;)
LOL - it's a Yorkie forum!!! :confused:

hugz4all4 04-07-2009 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2565967)
Kind of off the subject, but I always find it a little disturbing when I hear comments to the tune of "...it's never any problem to sell the mixed breed dogs..." or "I breed these because I don't have a problem selling them" :thumbdown To me it suggest what the real goal is for many--concentrate on producing the dogs that will sell. It disheartening to think THAT is the determining factor, although for many, I know it is. :(

:thumbup:

phfgkl 04-07-2009 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2565962)
Ok, just out of curousity... why will you be breeding back to a biewer?
I believe if you go back, you will read what I wrote about biewers. YES, I will be breeding back to a biewer. Like I said, everyone has their own opinions, my opinion is to breed back to improve the breed, but, I also know not everyone has the same beliefs, and whos to say who's right and whos wrong? I'm not the one person that should judge. What the op does is up to her. She is her own person and can decide for herself what she wants to do


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