Yorkie-poo's... Yay or Nay

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Krystee

So it looks like a guy in Germany had 2 Yorkies that both had the piebald gene... they bred those and had puppies who did not meet the breed standard. He then continued to breed these puppies - who did not meet the breed standard. Shouldn't that have been wrong? But now it makes it okay because he gave them their own breed name and started a club? I'm so confused.

You need to start your own thread about the origin of the Biewer Terrier and how it became a recognized breed. The experts on Biewers won't see your questions in a thread about Yorkiepoos.

[Krystee]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

You need to start your own thread about the origin of the Biewer Terrier and how it became a recognized breed. The experts on Biewers won't see your questions in a thread about Yorkiepoos.

I was just using them as an example. The impression I'm getting is that someone needs to start a yorkiepoo (or whatever) club of America, set a breed standard and then it will be okay? Who starts these breed clubs?

Again, yorkispoos are just used as an example here.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by maximillion1

I completely agree!!! I have a 5 month old Yorkie Poo, and honestly, I can't imagine my life without him and I don't remember my life before him! He is affectionate, super smart, almost completly house broken and he is graduating from his puppy class in 2 weeks with flying colors. When shopping around for a new pooch, it amazed me how "true" dog/furbaby lovers talk so much crap amount mixed breed dogs as if they were a lower class, they deserve just as much love as any purebred and to be honest , it also amazes me how so many "dog lovers" will convince you not to get a "mutt", but I would think that if everybody decided to only buy purebred dogs, that it would certainly keep the shelters well populated...don't you think? You seem like a responsible person, if you want to raise a pack....feel free, every animal needs love, not just the ones with "pure genes" and everyone else that is so concerned about rescue pups, why don't you go adopt one?

Maybe if the puppy millers and backyard breeders stopped pumping out the mixes (or dogs period) there would be less in the shelters. Maybe if people stopped making excuses and educated themselves and stopped buying from petstores, mills and BYB. Maybe if puppy millers and BYB realised that's what they really are and what they are doing is wrong there would be less in the shelters.

I see so many BYB on here and all over the net that for some reason do not think they are or a part of the problem.

I think buyer need to beware, be educated and stop the process. There is so much more to stopping the over pet-population then just adopting, there is also trying to do your part before the animals end up in the shelters. You can't support bad breeding practices then complain no one wants to adopt the ones who are the results.

[jexxie]

I just typed a really lng post but I wasn't logged in, so I'm going to make a shorter version. First, unless you plan on showing your dogs, which most people don't, because they are just looking for a pet, then it doesn't matter if your dog is AKC registered or of show quality. I have seen some really ugly dogs come out of a line with champion blood. Just because a dog has had champion bloodlines does not mean the dog will even be of show quality. And just because a dog isn't AKC registered, doesn't mean it isn't breed standard. I feel a little bit of a double standard here. You act like mixed breed dogs are scum, yet you tell me and others to adopt one from a shelter.. What the hell? Make up your minds. This site is supposed to be for dog lovers. How can you be a true dog lover but discriminate against a "mutt"? Not everyone on EArth can afford a purebred dog, thus, people breed mixed breeds and they are just as loved. Why would I spend $1500 on a dog for a pet and a pet only?? Theres no reason. And for you to say i'm wrong for breeding a "pet quality" dog is ridiculous. My dogs weren't AKC registered but were breed standard. And as far as having all of their tails/claws done, I never said it was too expensive to handle, BUT it is expensive. All of the rep. breeders on here have said to me, and to others that they do not breed for money, because after all of the expenses, they don't make anything. They say they breed for the love of the breed or to better the breed. So, if you think it's not expensive, then I guess you think they are all lying about it? If you aren't a breeder then you have no right yapping at me, because you don't know what you're talking about. You can copy exerpts from articles all day long bt until you have been there, you just don't know. I had money saved in case of emergencies and had a vet on call. Like I said, you can call me a back yard breeder all you want, but I guess that makes all breeders at one point a backyard breeder. Breeders aren't just reputable overnight.. IT takes time. I didn't come on here to get criticized, to talk about breed standard, back yard breeders or anything else. I simply was asking whether or not to breed a poodle and a yorkie. So, maybe you should think about what hags you're being and wonder to yourself if you would like to be treated that way. And stop being so judgemental toward others and toward their "mutts"..How would you like it if someone was picking on your dog???

[jexxie]

And you can't soley blame breeders for the pet over population or dogs going to shelters. You do have some responsibility in the matter, but I refuse to let you blame me for all the millions of dogs in shelters. And what does being purebred have to do with it? ANYONE who buys a dog from anywhere.. breeder, puppy mill, pet store, etc. IS just as responsible then. IF everyone stopped breeding, whether they were reputable or not, and everyone started going to shelters, then and only then would we maybe put a dent in the over population. So stop fooling yourself by thinking that just because you buy a purebred dog from a reputable breeder that you are somehow ending the epidemic, because you are not!!!!!!!!!!

[megansmomma]

I am just wondering since you have so many friends in the Breeder forum why you would come into the General forum to ask this question? Maybe you should be asking all of your breeder friends how they feel about you having a litter of Yorkie mixes. I would very be interested to see what the response from them would be to your original post.

If you are looking for a puppy here is someone that already has a litter that was a great big ooops. Maybe she can give you one and you will not have to bother to breed yours. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-lost-one.html

[cj125]

Why do you start threads - ask questions - and then get mad at the answers?

This isn't the first one - and I think you should stop with the name calling.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by jexxie

I just typed a really lng post but I wasn't logged in, so I'm going to make a shorter version. First, unless you plan on showing your dogs, which most people don't, because they are just looking for a pet, then it doesn't matter if your dog is AKC registered or of show quality. I have seen some really ugly dogs come out of a line with champion blood. Just because a dog has had champion bloodlines does not mean the dog will even be of show quality. And just because a dog isn't AKC registered, doesn't mean it isn't breed standard. I feel a little bit of a double standard here. You act like mixed breed dogs are scum, yet you tell me and others to adopt one from a shelter.. What the hell? Make up your minds. This site is supposed to be for dog lovers. How can you be a true dog lover but discriminate against a "mutt"? Not everyone on EArth can afford a purebred dog, thus, people breed mixed breeds and they are just as loved. Why would I spend $1500 on a dog for a pet and a pet only?? Theres no reason. And for you to say i'm wrong for breeding a "pet quality" dog is ridiculous. My dogs weren't AKC registered but were breed standard. And as far as having all of their tails/claws done, I never said it was too expensive to handle, BUT it is expensive. All of the rep. breeders on here have said to me, and to others that they do not breed for money, because after all of the expenses, they don't make anything. They say they breed for the love of the breed or to better the breed. So, if you think it's not expensive, then I guess you think they are all lying about it? If you aren't a breeder then you have no right yapping at me, because you don't know what you're talking about. You can copy exerpts from articles all day long bt until you have been there, you just don't know. I had money saved in case of emergencies and had a vet on call. Like I said, you can call me a back yard breeder all you want, but I guess that makes all breeders at one point a backyard breeder. Breeders aren't just reputable overnight.. IT takes time. I didn't come on here to get criticized, to talk about breed standard, back yard breeders or anything else. I simply was asking whether or not to breed a poodle and a yorkie. So, maybe you should think about what hags you're being and wonder to yourself if you would like to be treated that way. And stop being so judgemental toward others and toward their "mutts"..How would you like it if someone was picking on your dog???

I'm sorry if I'm being a "hag" by not supporting your breeding practices. No, not all reputable breeders are BYB first, many spend years with a mentor to breed properly. Of course breeding properly is expensive who said it isn't? I have yet to see a reputable breeder ever make a cent in profits. No one was picking on any dogs, just the breeding of mixes.

[jexxie]

I'm not "mad" just a little irritated that instead of giving helpful info, you lash out. If people breed for the love of it, then I have every right to breed my yorkie and my poodle. And that's all I have to say about that. If you all want to continue to bicker amongst yourselves, have at it.. and thanks for all of the useless information and the lack of answering my question..

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by jexxie

I'm not "mad" just a little irritated that instead of giving helpful info, you lash out. If people breed for the love of it, then I have every right to breed my yorkie and my poodle. And that's all I have to say about that. If you all want to continue to bicker amongst yourselves, have at it.. and thanks for all of the useless information and the lack of answering my question..

Helpful and useful information is obviously in the eye of the poster. I personally thought you were given excellent advice.

Still wondering what all of your new YT breeder friends think about you breeders a yorkie mix?

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by jexxie

I'm not "mad" just a little irritated that instead of giving helpful info, you lash out. If people breed for the love of it, then I have every right to breed my yorkie and my poodle. And that's all I have to say about that. If you all want to continue to bicker amongst yourselves, have at it.. and thanks for all of the useless information and the lack of answering my question..

I'm sorry you do not get it when you hear helpful advice and would rather be defensive. I'm sorry that "you" have "your" rights to do what you want. I'm sorry you can not learn to better what you do for your own improvement and your dogs. As for your breeding for the love of it, what do you love? Your rights or trying to being right? Just because others do not agree with you does not mean they have useless information, maybe you should listen. Your dogs are not begging to be bred.

I'm sure you'll expect others to at one time clean up your mistakes. God bless your dogs.

[llcornell]

Originally Posted by jexxie

I'm not "mad" just a little irritated that instead of giving helpful info, you lash out. If people breed for the love of it, then I have every right to breed my yorkie and my poodle. And that's all I have to say about that. If you all want to continue to bicker amongst yourselves, have at it.. and thanks for all of the useless information and the lack of answering my question..

are you kidding????? I think you have been given a lot of useful information. I dont think anyone is lashing out. There is a pet overpopulation in this country right now....also alot of mixed breeds and purebreds needing homes right now. This is very useful information for someone looking to breed a dog especially someone who had a hard time getting selling the last batch of puppies. I guess Im unsure of your question???? It seems like you arent asking a question it seems that you feel its "your right" to breed your dog and if thats the case why are you asking us????

[cj125]

I can only speak for myself but I am a dog lover - all dogs - and I do get tired of people using the excuse that I don't like mix breed dogs because I don't support the breeding of them. All dogs deserve to be loved but not all dogs should be bred.

You say you're not mad but you're calling people names and being a smartalic. What do you call that?

You've started several threads asking for advice but you didn't like the answers. Why do you keep doing that?

[megansmomma]

I have a Yorkipoo sleeping in his bed right now~Truman my foster rescue that I pulled out of a shelter in IN just a few months ago. He was almost DEAD when I brought him home. Neglected, starved, filthy dirty and very sick~as for your argument that there are not good dogs in shelters I would have to disagree wholeheartedly with your statement. Truman my yorkipoo and Bogey my Morkie are both from the shelter and they are both wonderful PETS. I am so for 2 for 2 in the wonderful shelter pet category. Anyone that says you cannot find wonderful mix and pure breed pets in a shelter has never bother to even look. It is very sad that you cannot just be happy with what you already have in your home without breeding more puppies.

Breeding is not a right it should be considered a privileged. There are far too many animals dying every day to argue that you have a right to breed. I am sorry that you feel that the hags are attacking you but you did post your question in the General Forum. Maybe if you posted in the Breeders Forum you would have received the answer that you are looking for but I highly doubt that to be true either. There is not a reputable breeder that has a desire to better the breed that would agree with you that breeding your Yorkie and Poodle is justifiable. Like it or not you are a BYBer and sadly you will continue to be a BYBer because you feel this is your right.

[QuickSilver]

Is it flaming in here? Good, cause I have some oil!

While I don't agree with everything I saw in the PETA documentary on the UKTC, I think it did point out that most breed standards are solely about appearance - NOTHING about health, vitality, longevity, intelligence, or temperment. For that reason alone, I don't think that KC's can claim the moral high ground here.

As I've stated, I have no problem with people mixing breeds and even starting their own breeds. Yorkie-poos and morkies clearly mix pretty well. You want a pale, woolly dog the size of a bear? Get a labradoodle! New breeds are recognized on a fairly regular basis. Kennel Club rules are not written in stone. And of course, the beloved yorkie was once a mutt.

HOWEVER, given the incredible over-population of dogs in this country, you should have a pressing reason to breed. You have beautiful, HEALTHY dogs and you love breeding. You feel passionate about helping an emerging line. That's one thing.

Having two dogs that you think maybe might have cute puppies and the mother will probably have only two, but maybe not, eh. Why put everyone through the trouble? If you want to be on the side of the angels, bring a rescue or two into the family.

Just my opinion! I'll admit up front that there's a teensy, tiny chance I could be wrong.