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phfgkl · 03-15-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by omichka

Did you buy online???!!!

When people you finally get it - never ever buy puppies online. No reputable breeder will send puppies - only so-called backyard breeders and puppy millers do it on regular basic.

Puppies are not merchandise as TV or something like that. You have to see the parents, temperament of puppy, etc, etc, etc....

Your puppy is cute.

But .... if you buy online - 90% you did support a not good breeder. Sorry.

Don't believe me? Then educate yourself about puppy mill industry. Sorry.

TRUE HURTS, I know.....

However, a dog is not a "product" and professionals agree that buying a dog online is irresponsible, dangerous and contributes to the problem known as, "puppy mills."

Puppy e-Mills Churn Out Sick Dogs, Big Profits

I have to disagree with this post! There are a lot of very reputable breeders that ship their pups!

phfgkl · 03-15-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by omichka

no, those are two different pups. just look closely: they not only have different ears, but also different color on face... sorry...

If you look, the picture is a lot darker, which will make the others color be off

omichka · 03-15-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

No need to berate her.

No one is trying to berate anyone. MommyLovesRiley was asking other people opinions about that breeder. This is one of the true answer, what is POSSIBLE, and just advice not to buy online. Too many dirty secrets .... As a person, who is pretty knowledable about pet sale industry, I just want to tell the true because people continue support it

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Seriously, I just don't get HOW people can buy puppies online or in pet store. I was child and knew already that this is wrong to buy LIVE THING without seeing it or trought third party. Just wrong. btw, no one told me about it.

omichka · 03-15-2009, 08:36 AM

I am not here for arguments. Sorry, I have to repeat. As a person, who involve in puppy mill education and as person, who know many details/secrets about this industry, I just SURE that those, who believe in "good" breeders selling online, just a little bit naive. Sorry.

omichka · 03-15-2009, 08:46 AM

Sorry for grammar mistakes. English is my second language.

phfgkl · 03-15-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omichka

I am not here for arguments. Sorry, I have to repeat. As a person, who involve in puppy mill education and as person, who know many details/secrets about this industry, I just SURE that those, who believe in "good" breeders selling online, just a little bit naive. Sorry.

There are some bad, but, there are also some good breeders that sell on puppyfind! Which, is online! I don't think I'm naive, maybe when I was a teenager!

manolos mom · 03-15-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by omichka

I am not here for arguments. Sorry, I have to repeat. As a person, who involve in puppy mill education and as person, who know many details/secrets about this industry, I just SURE that those, who believe in "good" breeders selling online, just a little bit naive. Sorry.

I agree with you that you should see the pup you are buying and that you take chances when they are shipped but lots of GOOD breeders ship and they should not be categorized with puppymills and byb..

omichka · 03-15-2009, 09:42 AM

I would recommend you to learn what reputable breeder is and its code of ethic. I am glad that finally people start speak that shipping puppies is one of red flags of puppy mill industry. You can find articles online or even see TV.
A couple years ago I opened a topic about this, but many people disagreed with me, but I knew I was right.

YouTube - Don't Buy Puppies Online

Sorry, you are naive. Note, I don't use word "uneducated"

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mackymom · 03-15-2009, 10:07 AM

I can't tell, but either way Riely is a sweetie pie and her Cuteness gets better by the min! Even If its not the baby you picked you still got a winner!

LilMissy · 03-15-2009, 10:55 AM

At first, I thought for sure that was the same puppy. But after looking at the pics more, I'm thinking maybe it isn't. I mean unless she's getting darker as she's growing? That just doesn't make sense. The puppy in the breeders photo is alot lighter coloured then Riley is now. The features look just ever so slightly different to me too.

But I DEFINITELY don't think you got the bad end of the deal. Riley is so cute and I would be thrilled to have her if I were you. She's very pretty!

tjdmom · 03-15-2009, 10:59 AM

It looks like the same pup to me too. The settings/lighting of the 2 pictures are different and I think that accounts for any differences. If it's not the same pup, maybe the breeder got photos mixed up and sent a picture of it's litter mate? In any event, I think you got an adorable baby and maybe some things are just meant to be!

Denamac · 03-15-2009, 11:05 AM

I think it's the same puppy. I have pictures of Zoe from her breeder, then from when I got her and it looks like 2 different pups. But I know it's the same; she was the only girl in the litter. NO way to switch pups!!

Also, I compare pictures of her that I took and I would swear it was 2 different pups if I didn't know better. And get this, now she seems to be changing colors again...at 1 1/2 years old. She was black as a pup, then blond/silver, and now her roots seem to be black again.

In the end, all that matter is you love the baby you have!

omichka · 03-16-2009, 07:42 AM

I went through your other posts re your puppy health issues and age she was shipped (too young for yorkie to be shipped, especially so small) and all those detailes just show the whole pics of your breeder. If you really concern about it, please report him/her to the web, I mentioned above, because there is no doubt about it - your cutie did come from a puppy mill. All those are SO typical for description of puppy mill puppy.

I wish you the best with your new baby, she is cute as can be

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PS: just an add re puppyfind.com. This website is very well known as NON reputable source to buy a puppy. Most of sellers there ARE BYB and puppy millers. I have known at least two stories when supposed to be reputable breeders were excluded from their official breed club only because they started to sell at puppyfind.com and ship puppies. Because it contradicts to code of ethic of reputable breeder. Period.

makennasmommy · 03-16-2009, 07:58 AM

I totally understand what you mean by a not so great breeder.I too was dissapointed in the breeder once we met her and her family/other dogs. Not that they were a puppy mill by any means, or bad people or a bad place. Just not as responsible and up and up as she could/should have been in my opinion. Our puppy is great, and we love him. When we arrived we were greeted by several pups, of a couple litters, running free around the house, which is great (and much better that a cage of coarse) but because of that there was poop in a few spots, and not only on the pads...and they whole place just stunk like dog....and they were all smokers so the combo was horrible! We also kept hearing discrepencies in stories told to us about accidental breedings, other puppies shes going to or is expecting,etc. She had another type of small dog there, pregnant and a few other rescued mutts outside. Then when it came time for paperwork we received the shot record which was covered with something on the back, and the contract/guarantee we signed was whited out on the signature lines, etc....and she didnt have the AKC papers ready, shes mailing them to us in about two weeks (she says).
We ended up still taking the puppy as they all seemed healthy, it was a great bargain for us being he is a redleg, and we are only looking for a sweet pet for our family, so AKC (While a plus) wasnt essential for us.
Our breeder is a YT member, and after getting puppy I have searched her name and seen some wierd posts too....go figure.
Live and learn I guess.

omichka · 03-16-2009, 08:03 AM

I know very responsible breeder who does not come to this board because of "too many backyard bredeers here" (quote)
BTW, I cannot even imagine that she would ship any of her puppies - no way.

03-15-2009, 10:07 AM	#39
mackymom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: texas Posts: 187	I can't tell, but either way Riely is a sweetie pie and her Cuteness gets better by the min! Even If its not the baby you picked you still got a winner! __________________ Mommy of Mac & Maci AKA Joni

03-15-2009, 10:55 AM	#40
LilMissy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,421	At first, I thought for sure that was the same puppy. But after looking at the pics more, I'm thinking maybe it isn't. I mean unless she's getting darker as she's growing? That just doesn't make sense. The puppy in the breeders photo is alot lighter coloured then Riley is now. The features look just ever so slightly different to me too. But I DEFINITELY don't think you got the bad end of the deal. Riley is so cute and I would be thrilled to have her if I were you. She's very pretty! __________________ Shaunna with Missy (my princess) & Dora (my tomboy)

03-15-2009, 11:05 AM	#42
Denamac Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Effingham, South Carolina Posts: 16	I think it's the same puppy. I have pictures of Zoe from her breeder, then from when I got her and it looks like 2 different pups. But I know it's the same; she was the only girl in the litter. NO way to switch pups!! Also, I compare pictures of her that I took and I would swear it was 2 different pups if I didn't know better. And get this, now she seems to be changing colors again...at 1 1/2 years old. She was black as a pup, then blond/silver, and now her roots seem to be black again. In the end, all that matter is you love the baby you have! __________________ Dena and Zoe Proud Member of the Spoiled Rotten Club

03-16-2009, 07:42 AM	#43
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	I went through your other posts re your puppy health issues and age she was shipped (too young for yorkie to be shipped, especially so small) and all those detailes just show the whole pics of your breeder. If you really concern about it, please report him/her to the web, I mentioned above, because there is no doubt about it - your cutie did come from a puppy mill. All those are SO typical for description of puppy mill puppy. I wish you the best with your new baby, she is cute as can be. PS: just an add re puppyfind.com. This website is very well known as NON reputable source to buy a puppy. Most of sellers there ARE BYB and puppy millers. I have known at least two stories when supposed to be reputable breeders were excluded from their official breed club only because they started to sell at puppyfind.com and ship puppies. Because it contradicts to code of ethic of reputable breeder. Period. Last edited by omichka; 03-16-2009 at 07:45 AM.

03-16-2009, 08:03 AM	#45
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	I know very responsible breeder who does not come to this board because of "too many backyard bredeers here" (quote) BTW, I cannot even imagine that she would ship any of her puppies - no way. Last edited by omichka; 03-16-2009 at 08:06 AM.

03-15-2009, 08:36 AM	#34
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	I am not here for arguments. Sorry, I have to repeat. As a person, who involve in puppy mill education and as person, who know many details/secrets about this industry, I just SURE that those, who believe in "good" breeders selling online, just a little bit naive. Sorry.

03-15-2009, 08:46 AM	#35
omichka YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: *** Posts: 647	Sorry for grammar mistakes. English is my second language.

03-15-2009, 10:59 AM	#41
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	It looks like the same pup to me too. The settings/lighting of the 2 pictures are different and I think that accounts for any differences. If it's not the same pup, maybe the breeder got photos mixed up and sent a picture of it's litter mate? In any event, I think you got an adorable baby and maybe some things are just meant to be!

03-16-2009, 07:58 AM	#44
makennasmommy Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Carolina,USA Posts: 175	I totally understand what you mean by a not so great breeder.I too was dissapointed in the breeder once we met her and her family/other dogs. Not that they were a puppy mill by any means, or bad people or a bad place. Just not as responsible and up and up as she could/should have been in my opinion. Our puppy is great, and we love him. When we arrived we were greeted by several pups, of a couple litters, running free around the house, which is great (and much better that a cage of coarse) but because of that there was poop in a few spots, and not only on the pads...and they whole place just stunk like dog....and they were all smokers so the combo was horrible! We also kept hearing discrepencies in stories told to us about accidental breedings, other puppies shes going to or is expecting,etc. She had another type of small dog there, pregnant and a few other rescued mutts outside. Then when it came time for paperwork we received the shot record which was covered with something on the back, and the contract/guarantee we signed was whited out on the signature lines, etc....and she didnt have the AKC papers ready, shes mailing them to us in about two weeks (she says). We ended up still taking the puppy as they all seemed healthy, it was a great bargain for us being he is a redleg, and we are only looking for a sweet pet for our family, so AKC (While a plus) wasnt essential for us. Our breeder is a YT member, and after getting puppy I have searched her name and seen some wierd posts too....go figure. Live and learn I guess.