Is it the same person providing dogs/puppies at both these auctions? Or does anyone know?

I don't think it's the same person for both sales.

This is for the March 28th auction and it lists the breeder
Auction 2

Lovina Troyer (580) 428-301715F/5M Yorkshire Terrier (Parti colors), 3F Biewer Yorkie, 2F/1M French Bulldog


This is for the April auction and I didn't see a breeder listed except for at the header of the page it lists - Mary Ann Denton will be totally dispersing 65 dogs in this sale.

BREWIER YORKIE 10 FEMALES 3 MALES
Auction 7

It would be nice if they learned how to spell!

I would like OKYT to answer this question. Those puppies (Biewers) that you went in and supposedly rescued...were they spayed/neutered? I truly hope you can answer this in the affirmative!

Obie.. if the rescue itself doesn't answer. Bonbon is the one that adopted Talon. Maybe it can be answered through her.

This is my problem with this whole thread and others now. I donate thousands a year to rescues, I am now thinking I need to check into my rescue here that I give most of my donations too. How will I know its going to the purpose that I think its going too, for rescuing dogs. I have called today and I am waiting for someone to call me back, but this really makes me fearful to give to any rescue anymore, and its just hurting these poor animals that need our help. I worry about the older dogs that really need to be rescued, I am sorry but the puppies have a better chance of someone getting them than the others. I want my money to a rescue that is going to feed, love and not crate all time and really try to find them homes. Are not all the dogs worth saving? I am truly sadden and upset over this. Its not hurting anyone on here, its hurting those precious babies that need our help.:(

I'm pretty certain OK rescue had them neutered.

I just read through the thread, and yes, they were neutered. Also, after reading through that thread and seeing those pictures, they did need to be rescued. I am just saddened they couldn't get the female. :(

One way to help in these situations is to try and find out who the broker is. There are ways of dealing with those people and the people who are purchasing them by making them known public. It doesn't totally stop them, but it sure makes them angry.

My sentiments exactly! We feed them, love them, teach them to trust the human hand again and find them loving forever homes.

Absolutely! All of our rescues are spay/neutered!!!!

Yes, Jordy (Talon) was neutered before he was offered for adoption. OKYR also had his ear infection treated and Zeus' foot operated on. They both really needed to gain weight (which Jordy had, thanks to his foster mom).

I am not familiar with puppy mills and auctions (but I'm learning :(). I would really like to know how/why such a sweet, cute little dog wound up in an auction in this condition at only 1.5 years old?

This is also what I was afraid would happen with this thread~it gives all rescues a bad name. :( There have been many very generous members that have donated to YHR recently which I am very grateful. This is one of the reasons that I want to make sure everyone knows how the foster that I have now is being taken care of~I can tell you were every penny of his donations from members have gone to. But there have been a LOT of threads about other rescues that have not been totally on the up and up. Dogs being rehomed without being spayed/neutered and becoming pregnant have been very concerning for me recently. There have been at least 4 different members that have said that they were told that their female was spayed and either had puppies or got pregnant with puppies. How is this happening? :confused:

I have been accused of being too questioning when someone comes along with a "rescue" that I have never heard of before but I want to make sure they are legitimate and honest in their intentions. With the economy suffering, people losing their jobs and homes legitimate rescues need to be there to pick up the pieces~which is not possible without generous donations to help. What is going to happen to all of the dogs that are dropped at the shelters from the backlash of the economy if the donations run dry because of rescues not acting responsibly with their donations. :(

The Haven just got a little guy last week named Ozzy. We had him at the orthopedist yesterday and needs a hip replacement which will be done next week and will cost about $3,000. He's been used by a BYB and was taken in from a kill shelter. The vet said that he has been this way his entire life, in pain and suffering with a bad hip reproducing with the defect for with BYBer. Now he is safe and will be taken care of properly. But what if the donations dry up~he would have stayed in the shelter to die. I'm sorry that I just hijacked this thread. But this is very upsetting to me because of all the dogs that are in shelters that need to be helped and rescues buying dogs from mills putting money into their pockets.

JenCar98, is $50 really the average price for a dog at an auction? I ask because that seems pretty low, so if that's what the seller expects on average, he doesn't need much to make a profit. This just underlines that the argument "we're not giving millers much money" does not hold water.

This has been a very sad thread, but isn't it better to know what's really going on? Knowledge shouldn't make you give up. Now we all know we have to be smarter and more careful about who our donation are really going to.

I don't think this thread gives rescues a bad name. I think the reprehensible actions of some rescues gives rescues a bad name. Personally I am GREATFUL that people had the courage to come forward and tell us what is going on. Knowledge is power.

Kim, these are my sentiments exactly :bravo::goodpost: . Thank you. I have come to the conclusion that with rescues you just can't take things at face value - you have to delve deeper to determine exactly purpose your hard earned $$ is beng spent to support. That way if you disagree with the philosophy of the rescue then you can use to place your $$ elsewhere.

The point of a rescue should be to save the dogs that really need saving, not to save dogs that are "adoptable" at the expense of those who are not. As far as auctions go, we cannot possible know for a fact that all of the dogs sold at auction go to a bad environment. I have only attended one auction where dogs were sold -- many years ago -- I attended an exotic animal sale where there were dogs -- but I personally witnessed the cute dogs and the dogs with papers being handed over to women with open arms and the older sickly ugly ones being unsold and overlooked. It seems more reasonable to wait until an auction is over and negotiate for the purchase of dogs that are not sold. That way you are taking care of the truly needy.

nevermind...I see Kathy already answered the s/n question

From what I've learned, I'm not sure I approve of rescues going to auctions at ALL, but if they are going, this sounds like the right way to do it.

In Talen and Zeus's case...Kelz said she knew who the breeder was but never divulged that information.

Different auctions the prices can be different. At the auction OKYR got the Biewers from, chihuahuas were selling for .01 - yes that's right a PENNY:(! That was another auction this SW Kennel auction held. I've seen them give away unsold dogs at the auction here.

The first auction I went to back in spring of 08 yorkies were selling for $75-100. But because of the glutted market (partially created by rescues) and the economy, over the summer the price began to drop. And, the last auction I went to many sold for $50 and under. The only yorkies that sold for more were the tiny females and I did see one sell for $100.

:(!!! :thumbdown This is so seriously wrong! It makes me sad and angry! :mad: I am not sure what to say.....(not that I haven't said enough right??)

I have tried not to read these posts b/c the visions I am seeing in my brain are making me cry...I can not fathom dogs selling for 1 penny :(

This is insane, the whole "animal auction" - I can't understand how all of this goes on here in the USA :(

I wish Oprah would do her next puppymill segment on the Dog Auctions....

Believe me there are not enough vile words to describe what goes on at these auctions. I wish Oprah, CNN, FOX News, Nightline, Ellen - all of them would do stories on the dog auction business.

The pathetic manner in which these dogs are kept would BREAK your heart The noise and the stench are something you can't describe. The sadness and fright in each dogs eyes still haunts me. I can see why people think it's a good thing to buy them up - get them out of there. BUT that is where the problem lies - the more that show up and buy, the more the breeders will produce - it's what I keep trying to get across - and with OKYR it keeps falling on deaf ears!

As much as it pains me to leave these dogs, I've come to realize rescues have to quit buying these auction dogs. For every dog a rescue thinks they are saving, they are condemning many more to a life of hell.

I hope rescues that buy auction dogs are satisfied with themselves knowing they are part of the problem and not the solution.

:thumbup: I agree with this.
And I think it is sad that if you speak your mind about a rescue you are banned. :thumbdown
It is a public organization. People should have this knowledge-people should own up to mistakes and try to work to change them. I have read where many YT people bought from pet stores or byb's before they were educated on the topic. We all learn. And when owned up too and a change made for the better-there is much less fault, and people are more apt to forgiveness. To ban members just drives the secrecy of the organization. JMO:rolleyes:

I agree.

If people stop buying from pet stores, Puppy Mills will not have a market to serve.

If people stop buying from auctions, auctions will not have a market to serve.

I still see so much pro and con here. I guess my first problem is who will rescue the ones nobody wants. What will happen to them. Who will care. I don't see how people selling a dog for $.01 making anything or even $50. And what happens if that one guardian angel isn't there for him or her. If rescue goes in with the mind set to just sweep up the ones that were discarded than nobody is supporting anybody or anything. They are just the guardian angels that picks them up and gives them that one last chance, that one last hope, if it be for one hour or one day left of their life. I am talking about the ones they put in the back rooms, the ones that don't sell, to be hauled away to their final resting ground. Never knowing what it was like to be held, to be comforted, to have a human look in their eyes and say, its ok now, you're safe, I'm here. So sad, so sad.

That is exactly what the millers want .... they prey on people who love animals.
No matter how much it hurts, I believe that no one should show up at those auctions.
It IS being a part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I personally would not step foot at one of those things because I would be in a world of trouble. And, even IF I could contain myself, I could not walk away with a load of dogs knowing that I was making more room for others to be neglected and/or abused.
The bottom line is that these people ARE making money...does anyone think they would go there if they were not???? Sure..they might sell a few really cheap....that is just bait. They are making money!!!!

How many states allow dog auctions? Is it just Missouri? I am researching this but maybe somebody here has it at their finger tips. If it is just the state of Missouri, I would like to contact the legislators in the those districts to get a feel for their thoughts on this and if any legislation is being introduced to stop the auctions.

:( This post broke my heart..:(

I found one in Ohio and I am sure there are some to be found here in Pennsylvania as well

We had one that I know of in Oklahoma. I am sure they are pretty much everywhere. :(

Again, that speaks volumes as to who is running this organization (not the org itself). To run a business you have to have respect, be the utmost professional and a little common sense goes a long way. So, If I read this right you have now been banned from the rescue because you spoke up and questioned the runnings of the rescue?

I guess I could understand if a person was outright malicious in trying to destroy the person's reputation or whatnot, but to ban a "volunteer" because they spoke up? So my question is, were you the only one banned and if so is it because you started this thread and made people aware? I don't get it.

501(c)(3) what exactly does 501c3 mean that u go to autions?
Sheila