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02-09-2009, 04:07 PM | #1 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| Help need answers I am so upset we bought our loved Laddy from a breeder whom we didnt know till later was a puppy mill He was our first and until I found YT I had no idea about puppy mills except when I got there it was horrible but I couldnt leave him. Then today I got his pedigree from aca and it says his sire and dam had the same sire...I am devistated I dont want to give him up I love him. I just need to know is he going to have horrible medical issues down the road because of this? And is there anything I can do any agencies to report these people to? Help please! I called and they refuse to do anything say it was a mistake. For anyone who bought from Still Kennels in Missouri The litte born on oct 21 2007 with the sire Stills Little Captin Cook and the Dam Sill's Little Lady you have the same issue...I am so sorry to be the bearer of bad news. My heart is breaking right now |
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02-09-2009, 04:18 PM | #2 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: central new york
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| I'm so sorry, there are bad breeder's all over. One get's caught and one opens up. I think it's a wait and see thing. Have your vet give him a good check-up, say your prayers, and love that lil one lots. Hopefully he will be a bit larger yorkie, over 5lbs, that's always a healthier thing. I use to work for a woman that breed Newfie's. She would breed her male with every second litter from female. The health was great except they usually had bad hips and eyes. I hope this helps. Remember LOVE LOVE LOVE.....it's a cure-all........ |
02-09-2009, 04:42 PM | #3 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Winslow Maine USA
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| Help need answers hi..I have been the the same situation. I purchased a yorkie from what turned out to be a puppy mill. He was very healthy with the exception of a torn ACL muscle in his knee. He was a large yorkie weighing in at 13lbs. and his nose eas a little longer than it should have been. He lived to be 13.5 yrs old and was a wonderful dog. So they are not all poor out comes. |
02-09-2009, 05:07 PM | #4 |
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| We believe our little fellow Milkyway came from a puppy-mill. We, like you, found out later. He was one that did have a lot of medical issues, but that did not stop us from loving him. He passed this past month due to genetic anomalies. However, as sad as I was, I would not trade one day with him for all the money in the world. He was the light of our life. Love your puppy, and do your best to keep him healthy. That is half the battle. |
02-09-2009, 06:06 PM | #5 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| never give him up I love him so much already would never give him up they had the nerve to tell me to bring him back like I would take him back to that horrible place. I will pay what it takes to keep him healthy but would like some places to report them to stop them doing this to others and hopefully put them out of business I am so mad they did this to my baby |
02-10-2009, 05:25 AM | #6 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: TX
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| I'm so sorry you are going thru this stress. Like was said, take him to your vet and have a check up. Educate yourself on Yorkie health issues, watch for any possible signs, but don't dwell on it. Enjoy your boy!! Just be aware and take care of anything that may come up. You may very well have no issues and have a long great life together. Is that Laddy in your avatar? He's a real cutie! Post some pictures of him when you have time.
__________________ If you think dogs can't count, put 3 biscuits in your pocket, then give him only 2. Gracie Ruth & Boo & Yogi & RIP Annie B. & Bonnie Lane |
02-10-2009, 07:42 AM | #7 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: pennsylvania
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| Not all puppy mill dogs have health issues. After you've read all the health issues some of these people have with their dogs who ar supposed to have come from "reputable" breeders have you may not worrt so much. Any dog can have health issues and needs good medical care. Why not just love and enjoy him and not look for trouble |
02-10-2009, 07:54 AM | #8 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio
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| Reporting a Puppy Mill I am sorry you are dealing with this. Like others said get the little one checked and tested by a vet and love him unconditionally. Below are the Ohio Laws to reporting a puppy mill, but possibly this will help you get started on how to report in your state. I got this off of a Columbus, Ohio Dog website. This information is based on laws in Ohio. Ohio has the weakest humane laws of any state in the country. If you are reading from another state, you will want to explore the “humane laws” of your state as they may be able to do more than our laws, but this is a general list that should apply. You may have different agency names and your state may have a different reporting system than you see listed here. This is the list of agencies to report the puppy mill to. You should follow this order in reporting them. The reason to follow the order is that the goal is to permanently shut them down. Mills are in the industry to make money. They make money because they have the ability to say their dogs are “AKC”. You want the first agency involved to be the agency that can do the greatest amount of damage to the operation. The AKC has that power. Report to 1 AKC (American Kennel Club) 2 Local Humane Society 3 Fraud in Ohio (typically, a person on public assistance can not have an income, or there are limits to the income they can have Ohio Dept of Taxation County Treasurer Worker's Compensation Disability Services Welfare/Health Care/Medicaid 4 County Dept of Health 5 State Dept of Agriculture 6 Zoning Commission 7 Attorney General’s Office 8 County Auditor’s Office (kennel license or individual license and vendor's license, must have both to sell dogs) 9 USDA (only licenses commercial breeders, which means those who sell to pet stores or brokers) |
02-10-2009, 08:06 AM | #9 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA
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| this may ease your mind I know you are concerned about your little one. But do as others have posted and research. Try not to stress yourself out and just love him. I am attaching some information on breeding that you may find helpful. INBREEDING AND LINE-BREEDING Inbreeding consists of the inter-mating of relatives, and it is virtually impossible to breed pedigree stock of any kind without having some relationship somewhere. Once a breed is established, it is impossible to breed a male and female within this breed without finding some ancestors in common. It may be so far back that you can't trace them, but by inbreeding these common ancestors, your breed was formed. Most breeders consider "outcrossing" as breeding stock who are completely unrelated in the last six generations. This is as far as most breeders trace their stocks' ancestry, unless they have personally linebred for a longer period of time. "Line-breeding" is considered to be merely a mild or less intense form of inbreeding. Mating of distant cousins, or mating dogs who come from the same kennel and same strain but who have no common ancestors closer than four or five generations behind them. "Inbreeding" condenses the genetic pool and because they are the most closely related genetically the chances of the results being very good or VERY BAD are good and should not be attempted by an amateur. Inbreeding, which I call "test breeding" is the only way to sort out faults and virtues. Whether the results are good or bad will depend on the type of stock you start with, because inbreeding cannot create good or bad points. It merely uncovers them. When results of inbreeding are disappointing, don't run to an outcross to try to solve your problems, since you will only bring in more covered-up problems. Stick it out and keep culling the results, and don't overlook a fault, because inbreeding merely intensifies a fault and makes it worse. For instance, an Outcross gives you a 1 to 1000 ratio of finding the good or bad and Inbreeding brings the chances down to 1 to 30. You must start with good sound stock and learn as much as possible about it. Only the offspring are the proof of what you can learn. The longer you inbreed, the more alike the offspring will become, but don't hesitate to eliminate from your breeding program those dogs or bitches that throw serious faults. This latter problem is where many mistakes are made and secrets are kept from new breeders. If a valuable stud or bitch begins to throw serious hereditary problems within a line, they should be eliminated from your breeding program. You are doing the breed a great injustice if your attitude is ..." All I need is one good male in a litter and it doesn't matter if the rest are lousy". It does matter, and your actions may cause many people many problems. The three accepted forms of inbreeding practiced by most breeders are: 1) Mating sire to his daughter and producing stock with 3/4 of the genetic makeup of the sire. This is to intensify his qualities. 2) Mating the dam to her own son or sons successively. This increases the genetic makeup of the dam. With a good brood, this promises a lot. 3) Brother and sister mating, but this is the least promising, since you are working with unknown quantities instead of the sire-and-dam matings, where you already know what their offspring are like. Ref: Hilary Harmers' "Dogs and How to Breed Them" |
02-11-2009, 02:55 AM | #10 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| Thanks so much everyone I just wanted to thank you all for your reassurance. It does help. We love our little guy so much and I just couldn't bear the thought that because of these horrible people his life might be shortened . So far including here I have reported these people to the BBB, wrote a letter to our Newspaper, filed a complaint with dept. of consumer affairs, and posted a letter on RipOffs. Tomorrow will be calling our local animal shelters and complaining and also writing our attorney general. I am telling not only what happened to us but also about the conditions of this PUPPY MILL. I just pray it will do some good and they get shut down. |
02-11-2009, 03:02 AM | #11 |
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| My first yorkie Maîa was the result of brother/sister breeding . She lived almost 20 years and never had health issues . |
02-11-2009, 11:14 AM | #12 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| Thank you Thank you so much for sharing this it helps so much. We love our little guy so much already and want him around for years to come. I love YT because of people like you. It is such a relief hearing from people like you with experience of the same thing. |
02-20-2009, 09:01 PM | #13 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| Update Just wanted to update on my situation. I notified the better business bureau and attorney general in my state. Well i guess they notified this breeder of my complaints because now I am getting horrible emails from them and their adult children accusing me of all kinds of stuff. What do you all think? Should I forward these emails to the BBB and Attorney General or just ignore them. |
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