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crystalsmom 08-31-2005 05:29 PM
Brett, Villette (red98vett) was nice enough to make me this Avatar and you can see
my little gal in her first dress. Boy, do I like to tease you or what. I think there
were some very good points brought out by alot of people on this thread and we
all can learn from it.

Marie 08-31-2005 05:50 PM
Oh my gosh it took me around 2 hours reading this whole thread, very informative. I agreed everyone can has different views what a puppy mill is but we all are against them. We all want what is best for our pups. To me Gucci is more than a pet she is part of my family.

sylvan 08-31-2005 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalsmom
Brett, Villette (red98vett) was nice enough to make me this Avatar and you can see
my little gal in her first dress. Boy, do I like to tease you or what. I think there
were some very good points brought out by alot of people on this thread and we
all can learn from it.
Joan, that is a cute dress, but I would have a hard time putting anything on such lovely silk. nice pics.

yorkieangel 08-31-2005 06:06 PM
Ok I have to say this......

Now suppose you were a good knowledgable breeder who provided healthy well cared for and properly di everything for your pups. You dogs were good quality with good backgrounds. You little female had 1 of the cutest pups in the world and you handraised it indoors and provided excellent proper care. Now you have 2 lady's who are both excellent canidates to be puppy parents . They both have basically the same qualifications and are both good people who will provide good homes. Now ... do you sell to the lady who is going to pay you $5000 or the lady who is going to pay you $500. And remember.. no adding details or more questions or anything, you only have the info I am giving you and can get no more info. at all.

Now I don't know about you guys but I have to say I would pick the $5000 lady. So while I truly understand the whole argument and feelings and reasons people are stating about prices.....Who in reality can blame someone who is an ethical breeder for taking the higher amount if someone wants to pay it to them???????

And by the way.....I'm hoping to find my next yorkie for $500....... :animal36

Francie 08-31-2005 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkieangel
Ok I have to say this......

Now suppose you were a good knowledgable breeder who provided healthy well cared for and properly di everything for your pups. You dogs were good quality with good backgrounds. You little female had 1 of the cutest pups in the world and you handraised it indoors and provided excellent proper care. Now you have 2 lady's who are both excellent canidates to be puppy parents . They both have basically the same qualifications and are both good people who will provide good homes. Now ... do you sell to the lady who is going to pay you $5000 or the lady who is going to pay you $500. And remember.. no adding details or more questions or anything, you only have the info I am giving you and can get no more info. at all.

Now I don't know about you guys but I have to say I would pick the $5000 lady. So while I truly understand the whole argument and feelings and reasons people are stating about prices.....Who in reality can blame someone who is an ethical breeder for taking the higher amount if someone wants to pay it to them???????

And by the way.....I'm hoping to find my next yorkie for $500....... :animal36

Wow! You know a breeder who lets us tell HER/HIM what we are going to pay for their pup? There IS a God! Somebody get me a bus ticket! :D


Francie

sylvan 08-31-2005 06:35 PM
Easy, you sell your pup to the lady with the 5,000. You take your usually fee out for an excellent girl. Give 1,000 to the other lady so she can get a decent girl that you help her find and then donate the rest about 2,200 to rescue.

I love hypotheticals.

yorkieangel 08-31-2005 06:39 PM
LOL :D

No, I'm just trying to say ... Who can blame the breeder. A breeder can only get what someone is willing to pay and if the breeder is honest and raises her pups right and gives good care .... then why should they feel bad for whatever price they choose to charge. It's the purchaser who has the option to walk away or pay.


Let me say I am speaking decent breeders for this point. I in NO WAY am accepting or condoning bad breeders in any shape or form! :aimeeyork

sylvan 08-31-2005 06:43 PM
You're right, sorry everybody, my prices just went up.

anybody want to pay me 5,000. for a pup?

yorkieangel 08-31-2005 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
Easy, you sell your pup to the lady with the 5,000. You take your usually fee out for an excellent girl. Give 1,000 to the other lady so she can get a decent girl that you help her find and then donate the rest about 2,200 to rescue.

I love hypotheticals.

Honestly ? That's what you would really do? I can't imagine too many people just handing over thousands of dollars if they came by it honestly.
I'm not trying to be rude, :)

crystalsmom 08-31-2005 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkieangel
Honestly ? That's what you would really do? I can't imagine too many people just handing over thousands of dollars if they came by it honestly.
I'm not trying to be rude, :)
She was only kidding!!!

sylvan 08-31-2005 06:49 PM
Yeah, hard to believe, and I'm certainly familiar with living on a budget, but I do donate from every pup sold to rescue now, and I wouldn't feel right about pocketing that much when the Actual, real life value of a good dog is so much less than 5,000. It's just not right.

yorkieangel 08-31-2005 06:51 PM
Ok how about this for a comparison.

Say someone makes Yorkie clothing....It cost them $5 to make aQUALITY Yorkie dress (including all expenses)but they sell it for $30. Are they a good businessman or a bad businnessman. If the dresses turn into the hot new fashion and every Star starts buying and people want to buy Mr. X's dresses and he raises the prices to $100 for that snazzy little dress that cost $5 to make... is he a bad man at that point or is he still a good businessman????

Francie 08-31-2005 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
You're right, sorry everybody, my prices just went up

anybody want to pay me 5,000. for a pup?


Oh, thats just REAL big of you Sylvan...do I look like I'm born yesterday?

IT'S $10,000 OR NO DEAL AT ALL!! :lol tears


Francie

yorkieangel 08-31-2005 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
Yeah, hard to believe, and I'm certainly familiar with living on a budget, but I do donate from every pup sold to rescue now, and I wouldn't feel right about pocketing that much when the Actual, real life value of a good dog is so much less than 5,000. It's just not right.

LOL... I hear ya... I'm just always flapping my mouth for people's rights... don't mind me.

And like yourself , I donate also to rescue . Not only time but quite a bit monetarily :animal36

Joy 1 08-31-2005 06:56 PM
This has been a great thread. I have enjoyed reading it. We all love our babies....I know that for a fact!!!!! Goodnight all!!!!
Joy

sylvan 08-31-2005 07:18 PM
You got a deal Francie....wait don't tell me, the checks in the mail, right?

crystalsmom 08-31-2005 07:40 PM
Sylvan, if you really did get the $5000, I've got a feeling you would donate part of it. Then again I remember a
lady that wanted to breed Cavalier King Charles and she had so many problems
with the stock she purchased and it took so long with so much expense to breed
one pup, they called the one pup they finally came up with $20,000 twetythoh. She would have lost money selling it
for $5,000 but she kept it and breed her. I think doing the right thing might not
make you rich but I have seen people who are fair and ethical and seem to have
a hobby or business that lasts a very long time. The greedy don't last long.

Francie 08-31-2005 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
You got a deal Francie....wait don't tell me, the checks in the mail, right?

Mail Schmail.....meet me in the back of the Petco on 23rd. Oh...and one more thing....NO Police!

Francie :D

P.S. Just an FYI...I can spot a "dye job" on a pup a mile away...so no funny business!

sylvan 08-31-2005 07:57 PM
LMAO...what color would you like the pup to be so I know...You weren't talking about my grays now were ya?
Don't need police, I'll bring Tess.

sylvan 08-31-2005 08:25 PM
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Joan, Thank you.

Francie, This is Tess.

JCarlson2004 08-31-2005 08:46 PM
WOW Tess is sooo prettyyyy!!! Does she play well with your babies?

sylvan 08-31-2005 08:53 PM
Tess is drop dead gorgeous and I'll bet Mr. Cohen would be really sorry he let me have her if he could see her now. She is the official yorkie pup sliding board at our house and a total sweetheart, but don't tell Francie.

SoCalyorkiLvr 08-31-2005 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
the Actual, real life value of a good dog is so much less than 5,000. It's just not right.
Wow! Am I reading this right? :confused:

sylvan 09-01-2005 07:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Wow! Am I reading this right? :confused:
You know Kim, I debated about whether to respond to you here or not, but decided to be gracious and answer your question in spite of the fact that you choose to ignore my questions to you when you apparently have no reasonable answer. You did take what I said here out of context, but I should have clarified a bit further with a geography limitation...so yes, the average market price for a good high quality pet puppy in the area that I live, bred by a reputable breeder is 1,250. to 1,800. Anyone charging 5,000. for a puppy is price gouging and that is not right. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
I don't know what about that you could possibly find confusing, but I'm sure there will be something that we will all have to hear.

Francie 09-01-2005 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
Joan, Thank you.

Francie, This is Tess.

(Looks closely at picture of Tess) :eyeballpc You're just not gonna play nice are ya Sylvan. Look...don't make me get ugly and bring my sister in laws Yorkie....I don't want anyone to get hurt...especially that pretty little Tess of yours...ok?

Regards,


Francie

P.S. I'll bet those topknots on Tess are HELL!

red98vett 09-01-2005 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvan
You know Kim, I debated about whether to respond to you here or not, but decided to be gracious and answer your question in spite of the fact that you choose to ignore my questions to you when you apparently have no reasonable answer. You did take what I said here out of context, but I should have clarified a bit further with a geography limitation...so yes, the average market price for a good high quality pet puppy in the area that I live, bred by a reputable breeder is 1,250. to 1,800. Anyone charging 5,000. for a puppy is price gouging and that is not right. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
I don't know what about that you could possibly find confusing, but I'm sure there will be something that we will all have to hear.
Sylvan thank you for speaking so well...I agree - my words were also taken and changed and you said it WAY better than I did.


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