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And Yorkie Mamma you have not even included your TIME at minimum wage even for being there to care for the mother during and after the whelping and to care for the tiny babies in their frst days, especially any who may need to be fed supplementally or who are tiny and have trouble for whatever reason. Your time is valuable and needs to be included in the calculation in my opinion. |
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I have a fantastic girl in Chanel and I there is nothing wrong with getting a puppy for under $1,000.00.....Money IS an issue in my house but my girls have never lacked for anything and are completely healthy. In my opionion ...saying someone has to be wealthy to be a good breeder or someone MUST pay thousands of dollars or they won't get get a quality yorkie is a pretty scary statement. The turn of this thread makes me want to defend those of us who have to watch our money....it kind of makes me feel bad hearing these things. I don't see the correlation between the cost of a yorkie and vet bills either - high vet bills can apply to ANY breed unless we are blessed with healthy pets and Hopefully - We all are. |
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yorkieangel.....I agree with you your Mill statement above - when I got Tessa my cocker - I have NEVER gotten that place out of my mind - when I learned what puppy mills were - I remember being so shocked and telling my husband - "MY God...WE were in a puppymill" I showed him pictures and he totally agreed I can STILL hear the noise and see the fear and hope of all those cockers and it's been almost 10 YEARS since we were there. |
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I would doubt there is any one on here who doesn't have to watch their money and stay within their budget. I drive a really old car and I have no car payment. I chose a yorkie (my Ava) over a vacation this summer ( I live in San Diego so I feel like I live in a resort town anyway...lol) . Someone else could give up Starbucks or cigarettes to help pay for it. I was in no way implying that only rich people should own yorkies! Again my point is simply that breeders deserve to be better compensated for all they do...that is all. I love this quote and I cannot remember the author so it is not an original but it fits here I think! "No matter your wealth or personal possession you are rich if you own a dog!" |
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In my heart I believe that his illness was caused by his living conditions at birth...That breeder who sold him is just evil - she doesn't care what she's breeding as long as she's making money....and Hunte Corp is notorious for transporting dogs in hot cramped 18 wheelers. Many dogs don't even live thru the trips via Hunte Corp. When people wonder why we say please don't buy from Pet Stores - HERE IS THE REASON. To them - he's just a product. If that breeder had no Pet Store to sell to - maybe she wouldn't have been breeding yorkies that are born with this many strikes against them. Maybe she'd even have to actually STOP breeding if she couldn't sell to a Pet Store....but as long as she is making money - I'm sure she's still breeding. PEPPER IS MY HERO and I hope anyone reading his story will remember him. He's a special boy and I know when that sad day comes that he can no longer function.....my heart will be with you in a million pieces. Bless you and Pepper Kathy and thank you for sharing his story - I have tears in my eyes thinking of how brave and happy he is and I'm just so glad he has you for his mom and I've always been proud to be your friend. THIS is Kathy's baby Sir Pepper |
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After hearing Kathy & Peppers story - I hope people will realize the dangers of Pet Stores and bad breeders/brokers - |
My heart goes out to that little angel with the happy face. He is a perfect example of why there should be a ban on pet stores selling dogs. |
Brett, I understand alot of what you are saying. They say you can love your pet and spoil it to death as long as it doesn't interfere with your human relationships. I certainly agree with that. I've seen some pretty crazy things. Hollybelle's in Tn. is a great example of a woman breeding in her home, says she has a small number of dogs, 5 yr health guarantee (not written so it didn't mean anything) Ad in Dog World for over 7 yrs with a picture of Billy Ray Cyrus with one of her dogs and herself. Then there is an ad for a yorkie that states they run a kennel and have 3 males pups , 1 yr health guarantee , vet check and shots up to date. Both asking the same amount. Who would you call? The first of course. She had 260 sick, mis treated dogs living in her rat infested house full of feces. You cannot believe what people say. It's sad but it's a fact of life. People will say I got to see the mother and father of the dog I just bought How do you know if it's the mother and father??? They bring out the best looking male and female they have and want the sale. I've been in sales all my life and was brought up in Chicago and because of that I don't trust many people that I don't know well. You have to do your homework and I would never buy a puppy from even one of the best know breeders with out picking it up but that is just me. People have said "Gosh you were really lucky" Ha! Luck had a little to do with it but I hunted and I know I spent more on phone calls and gas than I did for the dog (years ago people didn't have e-mail) Now I trust more because I can spot a bad deal a million miles away but until you've shopped a bit you just can't compare. I do disagree with you on one point . If you find a true "puppy mill" I feel you should NEVER BUY from them. By not buying you put them out of business!! |
I saw that picture with billy ray cyrus a couple of years ago and I dont live in th USA,What was the breed of those dogs they were fluffy white ?Tell me more :) dianne and prudence :) |
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PCMom: Thank you for sharing your story of Pepper. I am glad he has such a loving Mom to take care of him. The more information gets spread and the more people know about pet stores and puppymills, the better off we are and the closer we are to shutting them all down. |
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I think a lot of us are uneasy talking about puppy mills because the definitions are so erratic. Some people have dogs to make money. I don't have a problem with that because some people raise cats, cows, emus etc. to make money. I have a problem with anyone who raises animals and doesn't clean their living quarters, feed them, vet them, water them etc. properly. I may treat my pup like a child (I do) but I don't expect this of everyone, I do expect people I deal with to treat their animals decently, whatever that animal is. I abhor the things I've seen on Opra or 60 minutes, even our local news with starving, mistreated horses and dogs. I'd turn someone in for it - but it's animal abuse, short and simple. That is something I think most people could agree on, and if that was the definition used to fight for animals, instead of their making money, over breeding their dogs, etc., I think you would find more people willing to agree to that. I wish more of these groups could start out on a more common basis and maybe, just maybe, more people would support the efforts of good people trying to make a difference. Okay - that's it - my $.01 worth, and off my chest. |
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Thank you for posting Pepper's picture Villette and the nice things you said. I wish I had known about puppymills and that most, if not all, petstores get their puppies from them. I know that because I bought Pepper from the store his mother is doomed to hell in a cage producing litter after little of little ones like Pepper. I realize that I am not reasonable on this subject, not when I watch him day after day getting worse. It makes me sick. I was seriously asking for opinions on whether this breeder would be considered a puppymill...I can't be objective because of Pepper. Thank you for your kindness for all of you who said such sweet things about my little man! |
Don't know about Billy Ray cyrus but she had 4 x husbands and they think one of them is in this with her and he is breeding somewhere else in Tennessee now. Did you skroll down to see the ends and outs of jail. The dogs had absolutely no rights One judge was going to sell the dogs in an auction until the Maltese breeders and lovers moved in to help. It is so very sad. Where do you live?? Are they doing a better job of dealing with this problem in your country?? |
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- about where Pepper came from -To me Kathy ... THAT is a small scale mill. I know bad breeder comes to mind but people like that don't even deserve the term "Breeder" when we speak of them. When puppies are forced to live in cramped cages breeding over and over I don't even want to classify that as a breeder - they derserve a new name. |
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"The other thing that causes me great concern is breeders who undertake to provide their own vet care without proper training. ie giving the dogs their shots, docking their tails, neutering their males. Taking the puppies to a licenced vet for these things provides more than just getting shots etc the vet has the opportunity to provide a complete health exam. I for one would never purchase a dog from a breeder who does their own vet care, no matter how many champion show dogs they had produced. " I am including a quote.. If you have read any of YorkieRose's and my posts in the past, you will see that we do our own tails and initial vaccines and wormings. There are too many situations that you can expose a newborn puppy to in a vet hospital. The fewer times they are taken in to the vet where sick dogs are treated, the better we like it. An experienced breeder knows the actons of normal puppies and mommies and because we do, we can feel safe making our own judgements about when and why to make a vet visit.. I do not intend for this to sound mean but the reasons you have noted are the exact reasons a good breeder will find a mentor and work with her before the student even buys the stock to use for breeding. |
Maltese!! She asked $2000 and had no trouble getting it. I was just gonna post the same thing.. |
maltese Alot of breeders post photo's on their web sites of celebrites they have sold pups to like Billy Rae Cyrus...I have heard HollyBelle is still breeding Maltese. It is so easy to do...if I got suspended by AKC,etc, I could put all my dogs in a friends name and continue like nothing happened. As to breeders doing their own tails and shots...I woudl perfer to buy from an experinced breeder who does these things..then I know they are done correctly. How many vets are still pumping our pups full of Lepto and docking tails so short they are tailess? Just because we do shots etc does not eman they do not see the vet..all my babies see the vet twice before they are sold...8 wks and 12wks. or later if they are older. |
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I am sorry I am too tired to read the whole thread, it is 7am here and I've been up since 4.30am. But I can say this - my breeder has a big farm with about 50 dogs in all, diffrent terrier breeds - and she and her husband are devoting all their time to the dogs. They have nice outdoor running yards, great clean and comfy indoor facilities and a special stable for puppies and their moms. It IS big - but these people are with all their dogs during the day. You just need to look at their dogs to see that they are fine :) So - the number of dogs does not define a puppy mill :) I look forward to reading the rest of the thread when I have had some sleep :) |
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Interesting thread....but since when has "price" ever been the definitive proof of quality in any commodity in this country? I think GENETICS play a much bigger role in the health of any Yorkshire Terrier...and you can "feed them the best food"...blood panel the grandparents, parents, siblings and pup until you're blue in the face...but if that pup is not genetically sound....it will not matter WHAT "best of care" you provide. As I write this....my sister in law's 2 year old " yorkshire terrier is once again fighting for his life. This poor dog has severe metabolic problems, from bloating....bloody stools....etc (which none of the vets she has taken him to can figure out why, only to tell her it is something he was born with.). She loves him to death...and would do anything for him...but she has spent nearly three times his initial cost on his health care. And let me tell you...she paid in the thousands for him (from a "professional breeder" no less). And the clincher? Her sister paid $700 bucks for her yorkshire terrier which has never been sick in his life...and is closer to the standard for a Yorkshire! As far as I'm concerned...you can wash, buff, paint and glue a Jaguar on the hood....but sometimes...it is what it is....a PINTO! Francie |
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ok i dont dress rosie up but i love to see all those babys that are dressed up i think they look so cute, she does wear coats and joy is doing me a couple of harnesses, but beleive me shes my baby and and god i love her like one of my children,i DO NOT see her as just a DOG and never will, and its quite sad that you dont get the same pleasure as we do YOU ARE MISSING OUT. puppy mills in (england there called puppy farms) there only called that when they are mistreated and abused dogs otherwise there called breeders so to me its easy to see the difference, also if you have been to one you would be able to tell a bad one a mile away with the smell and the state of the dogs. anyway thats my opinion and not ment to be nasty in anyway wendy and rosie :rose: :yorkiesar |
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