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I dont mean to be rude or mean but I feel that its wrong to chose one dog over the other because one is cuter then the other. I think they are both r cute just in different ways. |
While it's true some people get their puppies earlier that 12 weeks, that is the minimum age at which the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, which is the mother club of the AKC allows it's breeders to release a puppy. Important socialization skills are learned from the mother and littermates at this time, like the biting reflex, the mother teaches the puppy how hard to bite, something that humans are not as easily able to do. I don't wish to get into all the reasons why 12 weeks should be the minimum age, but I will tell you this, when a breeder releases a yorkie or other toy breed before this age it's a huge red flag. While I'm sure there are good and bad breeders everywhere the bad ones aren't that easy to spot, especially when you have puppy fever and a budget. Pennsylvania and Missouri have more than their share of puppy mills, and you need to be especially cautious when purchasing a puppy from these states. Have you seen pictures of the parents? A good breeder would easily have many pictures of the parents. Puppy mills sometimes have a problem of coming up with a picture. |
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If you go here http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ders-here.html open this and scroll down to Missouri. A breeder being USDA registered is indicative of a puppy mill. Yes, puppy mills can be found everywhere, but it is known fact that Missouri and Penn. are puppy mill central for the US. |
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Just do your research ......Because the last thing you will want to do is get a sick puppy...or one that has massive health problems! Good luck in your decision! |
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The USDA requires large volume commercial breeders to be licensed. While not all these kennels are filthy and substandard as we imagine puppymills to be, all raise puppies like livestock in cages instead of inside in homes like Yorkie puppies should be. Puppies raised in commercial kennels don't get enough human contact and can have life long problems with socialization. They can be very difficult to housebreak since they are born to dogs who have never been housebroken and have no role model early on. Commercial kennels breed for quantity, not quality. No genetic screening or health testing is done. The result can be an adult who is pretty far from the Yorkie standard, often weighing much more than the standard calls for. Health issues are common since no screening for genetic problems is done. Apparently this breeder is on the USDA list. Whether you call it a puppy mill or not, it is a high volume commercial breeder. |
I think you should see what the parents look like or what other puppies from those same parents look like grown up. The second one is cuter to me but I am wondering why they both have such floppy ears. I would definitely want to know what they will look like grown up so you will be completely sure. If you have doubts and are only going to [I]settle[I] on one of them I would pass and try another place. |
I think it is best to find a place near your town. That way you can meet the pups and decide which one interacts with you better, and you can see where they are raised. I can tell you've done a lot of research on the breeder and if you think her puppies are fine, then go for it. Something just seems off to me, but then it isn't my decision or my puppies. I just can't imagine some one buying a dog they haven't met. If you still want to ship I have heard some good things about this breeder: Home |
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Buying a puppy from a USDA breeder is a bigger red flag. She is, indeed, a commerical breeder....one requirement for this license...the dogs and puppies must be kept in kennels outside of the home. |
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It's so important to only reward good breeders with our business. Here's an excellent link on USDA breeders, and tips for finding a good dog. Buying a dog? Beware of breeder - Health- msnbc.com |
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To the OP, I think that you should really follow your heart with this one. Is there any way you can buy a puppy locally so you can really get a feel for the personality and see the baby in person (sorry if you've already answered this) :) |
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Anyway I didn't mean to babble on, but felt I needed to vent about this. Sorry if I've offended anyone. Hope everyone has a good day and I welcome this newcomer to YT... :confused: :( |
So sorry those that are from Missouri and are hurt. That is not the intention. Unfortunately though, the state does have alot of USDA breeders. I for one would never buy from a commercial breeder like that and they could be located in any state. :( |
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Puppy Mills - Missouri State Auditor reports Missouri is the Puppy Mill Capital of the Midwest - Associated Content “Misery in Missouri� Highlights Puppy Mill Problem - Free-Press-Release.com Puppy mills breed misery in state |
Have you seen pictures of the parents of these dogs? |
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you should look at the parents of the dogs, it will give you a better understanding of what the puppy will look like.. (although it does NOT mean the baby will look exactly like or sometimes even close to the parents!) ..you would have to go through a breeder, who knows the yorkie's lines, generations back!(and even that is not a guarantee) BUT seeing the parents will give you an idea.... :thumbup: plus, i would want to see the parents anyway.. it can sometimes give you a lil more info about the breeder, etc. ;) i would say GO with your heart.. you know what is right.. i wouldn't let anyone-friends or family, persuade you to go one way or another.. take people's advice and consider all your options-i would not jump into something, if your head and heart weren't in it 100%! ;) puppy's are just the sweetest (yorkies in particular:wub:) but if you are not satisfied with even ONE thing, i would NOT go through with it (whether it's the temperment, look, or even the breeder) so many things can and will come out later on, that may cost you a ton of heart ache and money.. so i would just be sure you LOVE everything about your puppy and that you are completely aware of the breeder, health guarantee(very important!), etc. etc. :) i think that is very nice of her to let you get the other baby, if she was able to tell your heart was not completely with the first baby! :) i just say.. do your homework & go with your heart! ;) good luck! :heart to |
just wonderin if u had decided yet...its thurs and isnt lola to be shipped tom if u want her?we are anxiously awaiting to see wat u decide! |
I am really sorry that this has hurt your feelings. I can only speak for myself when I say that I rarely look to see where one is from when replying to a post, and I would never stereotype YOU for being from MO. Now, if you were a breeder on the USDA list, yes, I admit, I probably would stereotype you. I commend you for purchasing your puppy from a breeder whom you felt comfortable with. This is not the case here. The OP has not met the breeder and/or the dog(s). It really has nothing to do with the state, but the fact the breeder is registered with the USDA. Again, I am really sorry this hurt your feelings! Most of us just feel soooooooo strongly about the breed it is really hard to watch people support these large scale "breeders," or puppy mills, when there are so many GOOD, HONEST breeders around that should be supported for breeding yorkies up to standard and HEALTHY!! Quote:
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I am absolutely shocked at how many posts have come from this question!! :eek: I am thankful for all of your opinions....and I was always brought up to respect everyone and their opinions even if their opinions are not the same as mine. I do hope that everyone on this forum respects one another and their decisions on how they are raising their pups or where they purchased their pups from. I would never dicriminate....so long as your not setting fire to your pup or neglecting it or abusing it. Anyone can have a human baby.....its what you do with it after its born that is what truly makes you a mom. And I know that wherever I get my baby from what I do with her will be what matters. As a lawyer, I believe in our Bill of Rights--Freedom of Speech, so it is wonderful to see all of you talk about your feelings about this topic. It is definitely educating me and many others. I have done some other research and am continuing to do more...... There will always be arguments for and against getting a puppy from a certain state...ie Missouri and there will be issues from both sides when someone purchases a dog from a breeder, puppymill or a commercial breeder. I dont necessarily believe that a commercial breeder is the same as a puppymill. What someone chooses should be thier choice and we should not on this forum in anyway blacklist someone because of it. Given that, I am very deeply touched by all of your advice and concerns. I am waiting....for what....I am not sure. I have seen many photos from the breeder, spoken to her, her references, high ranked officials, spoke to her husband by accident (she was out and he picked up the phone), I have friends who have done background searches and actually produced pictures for me of the farm and where the puppies are (its great to have friends in high places!!) . I will tell you this, after watching Oprah I would never buy a puppy from a puppymill, but this doesnt look like anything I have seen on her show or the news. So, still, I am waiting.....like I said in my other post on this thread, when I was to choose a law school, my mother told me to pray and God will give me a sign....and he did......so, I am praying.....and waiting. I do hope that whatever decision I choose, you all will still welcome me and help me out with whatever questions or advice you can. My dad always said that babies and puppies are angels....they never carry the bad stuff from the parents, so if your mad at your best friend, dont take it out on your Godchild or her dog. So, I love all my friends kids and pets and my brother's kids, so, even though sometimes I may have an argument with my brother or friend, I will always be there to take care and love the kids and bring a toy for their pet. Lastly, I do feel the person who sat and looked up my breeder and started all this blasting against her was wrong in doing so. A private message to speak to me would have been the good hearted thing to do. But, I do unerstand where you were coming from and that you love these babies and want to protect them. Thank you all again. I will let you know what decision I make. |
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...I guess that's me. I did not blast your breeder, I pointed out that she is on a 200 acre farm in MO and she is licensed and inspected by the USDA. That means she is a commercial breeder, she breeds in mass production and she probably does have a pretty clean facility to boot, but regardless of filth or cleanliness, at the end of the day she is a commercial mass puppy producer (IMO that is a puppy mill, as they come in all shapes and sizes). As long as you are ok with that, that's all that matters. And I do hope you get the puppy of dreams and I do hope that you stick around YT as you are extremely welcomed here and YOU ARE GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL MOMMY :) ~ Best of Luck in whatever you decide to do..... |
I have an idea, take both:D:D |
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You know what I was thinking that to. They will be best of FRIENDS. :p |
that is one of the things I am considering....taking both. |
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....if I am allowed to make another comment on your thread...I have to say that the BEST decision I made regarding Yorkies was buying TJ and Roxy together. :thumbup: I am sure others will agree that by doing this, they have such an unbelievable bond with one anyone and to see it and live with it is quite heart warming. ;) |
Just remember, double the cost, double the attention, double the care, double the trouble! I have never had a dog that loved to cuddle with other dogs, but if he did I would have loved to see him sleep and run and play with a friend. I still believe you should meet a dog before you buy it, but hey, it's your choice. I think those puppies are darling. |
i would not buy a dog from a commercial breeder. i would not feel comfortable doing that at all. with that said, i love my dog to death, and people often ask me where i got my dog from. i would tell them where i got my dog from and that i DO NOT recommend them getting a dog from that breeder. since i didn't get a good feeling when i met the breeder. i was not happy that he didn't ask me more questions to make sure that his puppy was going to a safe/loving home. i felt that he would just sell his babies to anyone who can pay. i also don't feel like he was taking good enough care of all his babies. anyways, it seems like you've done a lot of research. and you are making a decision that you are comfortable with. so good luck to you. and as far as getting 2 dogs. i think it's a good idea to get 2 dogs if you had dogs in the past(and already know how to care/train dogs). milu is my first dog, so if i had gotten 2 at the same time, i would have been WAY too overwhelmed. but dogs are pack animals, so it's best for THEM if they have a friend. (i currently do not work, so i am home with milu, and i also take her to puppy socials, and friends house for playdate every week) but when i mentioned to my vet that i was looking for a job, he told me that i should get another dog. i am so excited for you! yorkies are the best! :) i hope you can get one SOON! :aimeeyork |
I think it is great you are considering getting them both. Mine are from the same breeder and only a month apart in age and I got them as pups and it has worked out for me |
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I could be wrong, but it seems like purchasing two commercially bred puppies would equal the price of one puppy produced by breed-standard parents and backed by a health guarantee and a breeder who won't "peace out" when a problem arises. I really hope those pups are healthy for you, and just what you are looking for. Good luck. |
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:yeahthat: When talking about bringing a puppy home at 8 weeks, there is a HUGE difference between a 30 minute drive across town, being held by a new loving owner, and a 3 hour fight, alone and scared, in the cargo area of a plane. I don't like the idea of shipping any puppy but 8 weeks is really to young for that kind of stress. JMHO |
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