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11-11-2008, 07:44 PM | #1 |
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| Please don't go crazy! But I have a heated debate question. I would really like everyone to stay civil and on topic. Just wondering about some things to educate some people I know. They have come up with very legitamite concerns in an ethics class I am taking-would like some viewpoints and please keep it honest. 1. What makes a rescue a rescue? When does it become okay for a rescue organization to discriminate the breeds they rescue? What about all of the other strays or homeless animals that need homes? 2. What is the difference in a rescue organization and a broker? (Calm down). Is it not true that rescues often go to auctions and buy dogs for cheap and then turn around and sell for profit, not much, but still profit. They will often take dogs from breeders as well, which then furthers the cycle of more breeding. 3. Would a "true" rescue be in the business to shut down auctions and puppymills instead of "rescuing" these animals and selling them (I am having a hard time differentiating this and being a broker). I am talking about screaming and YELLING, petitioning lawmakers, raising h#$%! There are legitimate expenses that go into running a rescue-spay/neuter costs, medical care, vaccinations, food/shelter, GAS money. But where does a rescue have the right to charge 300 for a dog when there are dogs in shelters that need loving homes as well for 50-60$. All I am asking for is honest viewpoints and some justification. I appreciate honesty and civility. Just raising questions and would like to see some answers with knowledge base that can be taken to class and discussed. If this is not the place, just let me know. I don't want anyone upset. |
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11-11-2008, 08:05 PM | #2 | |
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11-11-2008, 08:14 PM | #3 | |
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You have to factor in assuming the medical expenses for that animal as well as the housing until a suitable home is found. I also believe that small rescues are not funded as the shelters are which are usually county funded. 1 dog may not have any medical issues but quite a few do so the money has to raised some how. Publically run shelters usually put down animals with high medical needs. I hope this is a legitimate question since you are being so "cautious" on making it a civil thread and this is your first post. Hopefully you aren't a troll.
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11-11-2008, 08:31 PM | #4 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Rescues don't make a profit, that's the difference. However one of the newest scams are puppy mills that are claiming to be rescues and selling their worn out breeders for top dollar, many people find it difficult to tell a legitimate rescue from one of the scam artist rescues, so it's important to check this out. Three hundred is an extremely fair price to pay for a rescue since spaying and neutering can cost this much, and rescues usually have this procedure done. Many have had much more costly operations, and procedures done including extensive dental. I don't know why you bring up the point of discrimination; all rescues have to work within some perimeters. I would be leery of a "rescue" that goes to auctions, unless their purpose was to keep these dogs out of back-yard breeder, and puppy millers hands, and in that case, they would always be neutered and spayed, again taking away that "profit." Legitimate rescues won't let just anybody adopt a pet; they don't ever want to take the chance on placing a pet in an unsuitable home, so they really go overboard. A broker pretends he's looking for a good home, but isn't likely to ever turn anyone away.
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11-11-2008, 09:34 PM | #5 | |
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11-12-2008, 09:03 AM | #6 |
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| Thank you for the honest responses. I appreciate the civility as well. I am understanding that a broker sells without regard if the animal is altered or not and that it is just for profit. I do understand that not all can be saved. But it is a very harsh reality. Sometimes it comes across my mind that who are we to choose this one but not that one base just on breed alone. I can see the perimeters being set for the breed that the rescue is most knowledgable about. That does make sense. But don't most rescues get their spay/neuters done at a cheaper cost? I am not saying that just anyone should be blessed with these animals, but should it not simply be made where they can find homes a little easier. As long as the family can show they can support a dog/cat and have a vet that will always work with them. When I say perpetuate the breeding cycle-the breeders dump off their used up older animals and that leaves room for more to come. There is no punishment or anything. It is certainly not the rescues fault, but what is it doing to the population of animals? They will continue to breed (and yes more than likely they would kill the older unusable animals, but also this would run them the chance of getting caught and in trouble of some sort.) Just some thoughts as I continue to work through this. I do appreciate the insight immensely. |
11-12-2008, 09:04 AM | #7 |
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| PS, no trolls here. Just looking for answers...... |
11-12-2008, 09:10 AM | #8 |
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| I'm not really in a position to answer most of your questions, but I do know that most rescues give their dogs whatever medicine and surgery they need. This may be why the price is higher. A shelter probably just gives the dog "as is" even if they needed medical attention. |
11-12-2008, 09:28 AM | #9 |
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11-12-2008, 10:15 AM | #10 | |
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11-12-2008, 07:50 PM | #11 |
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| I feel like this is an interesting topic. I like seeing both sides of things. My husband is a huge animal rights advocate and feels like rescues that are breed dominant fill the pound with more and more unwanted babies. I agree that the rescue is not brokering for the fact that they are assuring good homes for the babies they foster. BUT-what I am not sure on-and my dh asks me frequently-is when you take these dogs from breeders-even if you spay/neuter them-it is just making a spot for the next dog to slid into-right?? I think it is nice they are getting great homes. But how do you make the breeder, mill, byb, auctioneer, or broker responsible for their actions if you allow this behavior?? PA just passed laws-alot of hard work was put into getting that done. It had to start somewhere.
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11-12-2008, 08:06 PM | #12 | |
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Dogs do not have RIGHTS of their own, they are not humans but they are owed PROTECTIONS. I am actually thinking of taking an Animal Law course next semester because I am interested in this dichotomy. | |
11-12-2008, 08:12 PM | #13 | |
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I am a nurse-so Animal Law would be quite foreign to me. But you could always be a key player in such a great cause. I see you are from PA-congrats on the passage of the law there.
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11-12-2008, 08:22 PM | #14 |
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| The reason for choosing to rescue specific breeds, is probably just a preference. One group cannot save them all. The reason for buying at auction then reeselling is most likely to keep the dogs out of the hands of unscrupulous breeders. I don't know of any rescue groups that sell un altered dogs. But f they can maike a small profiot on those dogs it would help to offset the costs of the other dogs. No! rescue groups are not brokers. Brokers do not spay/neuter the dogs, and they do not take in dogs that need medical care. If they bought them in a lot, as auctions sell them, they would most likely destroy any unsound dogs. Rescue groups do not make a profit, Some of the animals might bring in a small profit, but overall, they do not make a profit. |
11-12-2008, 09:01 PM | #15 | |
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Personally, I think that the sale of dogs should be better regulated. The federal government could arguably do so under the commerce clause of the constitution if states lack appropriate controls. | |
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