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03-12-2012, 01:53 PM | #46 |
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| Are you the breeder referred to?
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03-12-2012, 02:05 PM | #47 |
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| I was wondering also...Remember there are always 3 sides to every story...If you are the breeder then defend yourself. You may know something others do not.
__________________ Connie Lamanteer and Isabella "My GME Angel" RIP 3/2/10~ 8/5/11 www.isabellaGMEresearchfund.com |
03-12-2012, 03:00 PM | #48 |
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| Riot came from a breeder just outside of Rapid City. I happened across their website and stayed in contact with them for about a year until the time was right and I saw a puppy I fell in love with. I drove about 4 hours each way to get him. Chaos came from a family friend, kind of. My friend's dad has a male that fathered a litter here in town. He decided to start traveling for work again and knew he couldn't take on another dog right now so he game me his "pick of the litter" and I actually got to pick him out from the beginning.
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03-12-2012, 03:01 PM | #49 |
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| the new poster could be the breeder, what a dilemma and hard to know if this is the breeder fault because from what I read on GME with an exception of the strain in pugs, they don't know the cause, so there is a good chance other dogs of her's might never have been diagnosed with this. Also it comes on pretty fast so it is not likely this is something the dog had when it was sold. Fair or not fair just about every purchase contract states that if there is a problem you get a new dog, not vet bills paid. But when you have a dog for 6-8 months that's a hard option to accept since you don't want a new dog you just one the one you have to get better. Also in reading about GME the success rate of treatment is pretty slim so if you opt for expensive treatments it might not be fair to expect reimbursement. Not a good predicament to be in on either side of the fence.
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03-12-2012, 05:41 PM | #50 |
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| [QUOTE=DBlain;3848672]the new poster could be the breeder, what a dilemma and hard to know if this is the breeder fault because from what I read on GME with an exception of the strain in pugs, they don't know the cause, so there is a good chance other dogs of her's might never have been diagnosed with this. Also it comes on pretty fast so it is not likely this is something the dog had when it was sold. Fair or not fair just about every purchase contract states that if there is a problem you get a new dog, not vet bills paid. But when you have a dog for 6-8 months that's a hard option to accept since you don't want a new dog you just one the one you have to get better. Also in reading about GME the success rate of treatment is pretty slim so if you opt for expensive treatments it might not be fair to expect reimbursement. Not a good predicament to be in on either side of the fence.[/QUOTE I fully agree, I was on the end with the dog who was diagnosed and died of GME within 3.5 months Isabella was only 17 months old....when she died....and you are so correct...there is truly no way to tell if the puppy you buy or the puppy you sell has the gene or will pass it.... Problem with my situation is my breeder offered nothing.....not a puppy, nor compensation....she just wanted Isabella to go away, she told me to even remove the kennel name from any postings about her as it made her kennel look bad!!!...That she had never had this and they did not have GME in Italy...I would never have gotten anther dog from her anyway since Isabella's treatment was so expensive and no way would I have ever left her to travel back to Italy to get a replacement pup....I never blamed the breeder for Isabella's GME or death..I even tried to help her, but have since learned that Isabella was not her first nor her last case of GME. All I can do now is live with my memories of a beautiful little girl who left this world way to soon. We have set up the Research fund in her name and will continue to do all we can for research of this terrible "Silent Killer" I just wish more Yorkie breeders would admit they have had it or know what it is....GME happens, no testing is available for it..but as long as they choose to hide it, it will continue. Very sad. There are no symptoms or warning signs that you would notice right away, but after the diagnoses you think back and see the signs...in talking to others who have lost Yorkies and Maltese to this disease you see alot of similarities in early signs but at the time you would never notice them. One thing in common is chronic ear infections, and in females its a sort of hormonal imbalance as far as a odd first heat....followed by a false pregnancy...but these are things you would never think of as unusual behavior. Isabella was fine one day and down the next...all that happened is she had two reverse sneezes and passed out....but she recovered by the time I rushed her to my vet and was fully back to normal for 5 days...they did blood test everything...she was fine...then 5 days later she was down and never recovered fully..within 3 months she was blind and had lost most of her control of her back legs on most days...we decided then it was time to let her go but she was never in pain, the meds for the treatment were destroying her little body...it is something I hope no Yorkie owner ever has to witness or go thru...my heart breaks with every new email I get from people telling me their dog was just diagnosed and what do they do....I can't help them....and right now no form of treatment can either....GME is a death sentence. Isabella's tissue samples are at University of Georgia, her ashes are here with me.
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03-12-2012, 05:44 PM | #51 |
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| From the same breeder I got Jilly from in 1991 and had met and known since 1987.
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03-12-2012, 05:54 PM | #52 | |
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03-12-2012, 06:05 PM | #53 |
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| I had never heard of it either until Isabella was diagnosed...Have had Yorkies for 25 years....Sadly this has been around for at least 10 years from what I have found thru research studies...and one of the studies was a seminar about it for vet students done in Italy in 2009 not far from my breeder. who claimed it was not an issue in Italy.
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03-12-2012, 07:04 PM | #54 |
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| very sad and a very pretty dog, did you buy her from Italy?
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03-12-2012, 07:50 PM | #55 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California
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| yes we flew to Rome, Italy to get her..We did not go looking for a Yorkie in Italy, I went there on business...I had lost my Yorkies Scarlett and Rhett months prior to the trip...but when one of my clients heard I was going to be in Italy Isabella came into the picture. In my heart I knew Scarlett or Rhett could never be replaced but I needed to mend my heart and Isabella was perfect...she was exactly what we needed to help heal our broken hearts over the sudden losses of Scarlett and Rhett, both to sudden illnesses...we only had her for 14 short months....
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03-13-2012, 04:52 AM | #56 |
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| GME puppy I am the breeder and you are right there are many sides to a story. I have been breeding for 25 years and never heard of the diagnosis until it was presented to me by this person. I was shocked and stunned at the time. I spoke with other breeders that I know both in the show arena and outside. None claimed to know except the Pug breeders knew of it. I also consulted 2 vets and both told me there was no way to see this coming nor was it proven to be inheritable. They also told me the only true diagnosis is with brain biopsy post mortem. This information came to me at the worst possible time in that I had just lost my longtime position and was trying to hold everything together on a shoestring. I had offered to buy this puppy back after she had owned it just a few weeks when she complained about some minor issues with an small overbite. I never heard from her again until this diagnosis several months later. I also found out that the puppy had fallen down a flight of stairs and lost consciousness for a bit about a month before. What would you ask if you found this out??? I did offer to take the puppy back and I would have placed her with a group that takes in very sick yorkies and gets them all the help they need but they must be surrendered to do this. Never has a dog been euthanized or not treated and they work on donations. Very wonderful people. I would have replaced the puppy. I have never had this problem before and I can assure that these dogs were never bred again either. I don't sell unhealthy puppies and I don't want people that buy my puppies to suffer this kind of pain. It happens with dogs and it happens with humans. If you paid to adopt a baby and it turned out to have some horrible cancer or other disease would you ask for reimbursement? I think not. You do what you need to do and understand that things go wrong sometimes in nature that are unpredictable. She like many others that are looking for puppies expect breeders to order up the exact puppy that they have in their head. The perfect size, the perfect color, the perfect temperment and at exactly the time that they think they would be available. Guess what these animals are just that animals products of nature they are not machines to plug into the desired traits and expect to get the results. We as reputable breeders do everything we can to produce healthy well adjusted puppies and dogs. I have shown 16 dogs to champions over the years and bred them for their positive healthy qualities. I do not think that this problem with this person should make me a bad or disreputable breeder. Which by the way was backed up by my parent club when I presented all the information and emails that went between us over the time this person purchased the dog. |
03-13-2012, 06:01 AM | #57 |
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| I am the breeder and there is more than one side to this story. This person requested a puppy from me with very specific requirements. She also asked for a copy of my contract before she bought the puppy. I offered to return her money and take the puppy back after just of few weeks when she wrote telling me she felt the dog wasn't what she had hoped for. No answer to my offer. Then several months later after the dog had suffered a fall down a flight of stairs she tells me the dog has GME. She is correct I had never heard of it before. But I certainly made it my business to find out everything I could and requested her health records. I consulted other breeders and vets. The most I could find out was that there was no way to say it was inheritable and no final diagnosis unless a brain biopsy was done post mortem. I found it occurred mostly in pugs. I offered to take the puppy back and replace it. No reply. I couldn't refund the money I was out of work and just holding on by a shoestring at the time which I explained. I would not have euthanized the dog I would have surrendered her to a group that cares for sick yorkies and does it all on donations a special help from Angell and other groups of hospitals. She tried to have me removed from the membership of the parent club which failed when I produced all the offers that were made to her. I did all that I could so I don't think I can be called irresponsible or disreputable for this. I have been breeding and showing my dogs for over 20 years. To have this happen to one in not a bad track record for producing healthy dogs and standing behind what I do. These are products of nature just like us and sometimes things go wrong. Would anyone who adopted a baby that later developed some devastating disease ask for their money back or financial assistance from the parents or the adoption agency??? Doubt it! Really this is not any different. It is painful and I have felt that hurt as well when I bought my very first dog. The breeders are still showing and breeding all these years later and that puppy died in less than a week from Parvo. They never offered me anything. Not even an apology. So I do know and I do everything I can to prevent this from happening to the people who purchase dogs from me. Finally I want to add that the parents of the puppy are not being bred and have gone to pet homes. I didn't want to have this occur again even if it was by pure chance. That is my story |
03-13-2012, 07:25 AM | #58 |
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| I am confused, I thought the dog came from an Italian breeder, your profile said you are from MA, are we talking about the same dog?
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03-13-2012, 08:24 AM | #59 |
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| Gme I posted in reply to Loves Horses from back in Nov. Had not seen this message as I am not a frequent flier with this list |
03-13-2012, 08:29 AM | #60 | |
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