Please Help...Can I Sue?

[Wolftrap]

Originally Posted by TLC

Where is your surgeon

He's in NY in Brooklyn

[DvlshAngel985]

Have you looked at this sticky?
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...vet-bills.html
It's a list of organizations that can help finance medical needs for your pets.

[leipshen]

I know that my reply is based on the emotional aspects of owning a Yorkie...I am thankful that we have members who try to consider the "whole big picture" when responding to a post such as yours. This is just another (very important) part of that picture.

This site is filled with people who "love" their Yorkies (and other pets) just as they love their children.

I know that most of the members who write in about their Yorkies illnesses , are seeking help and desperately trying to do anything they can to heal their precious pups. They are also seeking understanding and confirmation on their decision to spend their last dollar, if they think it will heal their furbabys or give them a good quality of life. This says that their baby is "worth" it.

Your post sounds like you are started out feeling this way about your Yorkie, however, upon finding out that she wasn't as picture perfect as the others, and having to now face another surgery, "even though you have plenty of money to take care of her,....she just isn't worth it.

I just can't help wondering if she had turned out to be the "Picture Perfect Yorkie that you now see she " isn't"...would you be refusing to help her any further as you are now?

I feel no compassion from you, for your Yorkie , at all. i realize that you , although making plenty of money, are willing to send her to "a rescue" , who will have to seek donations to care for her, because you have come to your limit as to what you think she is worth.

Where is the love you profess?

I am left feeling very sorry for your baby. You probably should see if you can find someone to take her , who will think she is worth it. The rescue is better than a resentful owner.

Sorry, It is not judgment of you , so much as it is compassion for what your precious little girl has to face ahead of her.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by leipshen

I know that my reply is based on the emotional aspects of owning a Yorkie...I am thankful that we have members who try to consider the "whole big picture" when responding to a post such as yours. This is just another (very important) part of that picture.

This site is filled with people who "love" their Yorkies (and other pets) just as they love their children.

I know that most of the members who write in about their Yorkies illnesses , are seeking help and desperately trying to do anything they can to heal their precious pups. They are also seeking understanding and confirmation on their decision to spend their last dollar, if they think it will heal their furbabys or give them a good quality of life. This says that their baby is "worth" it.

Your post sounds like you are started out feeling this way about your Yorkie, however, upon finding out that she wasn't as picture perfect as the others, and having to now face another surgery, "even though you have plenty of money to take care of her,....she just isn't worth it.

I just can't help wondering if she had turned out to be the "Picture Perfect Yorkie that you now see she " isn't"...would you be refusing to help her any further as you are now?

I feel no compassion from you, for your Yorkie , at all. i realize that you , although making plenty of money, are willing to send her to "a rescue" , who will have to seek donations to care for her, because you have come to your limit as to what you think she is worth.

Where is the love you profess?

I am left feeling very sorry for your baby. You probably should see if you can find someone to take her , who will think she is worth it. The rescue is better than a resentful owner.

Sorry, It is not judgment of you , so much as it is compassion for what your precious little girl has to face ahead of her.

I disagree with this. I think the OP is just at her wit's end with the veterinary bills. I'm sure if her Yorkie were healthy she wouldn't care about it being so off standard. I don't know too many people who can afford $6,000 in vet bills in a six months period of time. As she said, she financed the first surgery and can't afford to finance another.

My Lady is a rescue and is poorly bred. At age thirteen her vet bills and medications run about $5,000 a year. I started making bows to support her veterinary needs. Thank heavens my children are grown and I can afford to take care of her. Not everyone can.

It's a very sad situation.

[leipshen]

Ya know "Wolftrap" after reading my own reply, I realize that it was too judgemental of you. I apologize. I really allowed my emotions to run away with me and I am sorry. I know you are frusterated and no matter how much money you make, it is difficult to keep up with on going vet bills.

Do just remember that you love your baby and she loves and depends on you. I will research some of the sites which offer help with large ongoing vet bills. I will let you know if I find out anything.

Again...I hope you accept my apology

Patti

[Wolftrap]

Originally Posted by leipshen

Ya know "Wolftrap" after reading my own reply, I realize that it was too judgemental of you. I apologize. I really allowed my emotions to run away with me and I am sorry. I know you are frusterated and no matter how much money you make, it is difficult to keep up with on going vet bills.

Do just remember that you love your baby and she loves and depends on you. I will research some of the sites which offer help with large ongoing vet bills. I will let you know if I find out anything.

Again...I hope you accept my apology

Patti

Thank you for your response it is better to really know where the person is coming from before making judgements. I do make good money but I also live in NYC and I am putting a family member of mine through college by myself. Yes my dog is very important to me but am I willing to go bankrupt for her or risk my family members education? Others can make judgements but the answer to that would be no. Some people may do it but the real reality is she is not human she is a dog and there are decisions that are easier made when you are not dealing with human emotions. If I had adopted a child and then had these medical bills then I wold not give the child back that is a human being. I would give my dog up to a rescue before I'm swimming in medical/credit card bills or bankrupt. There are certain things that do come before my dog like a roof over my head, food on my table and my family members education. Like the poster before said I really don't know too many normal people that can afford $6,000 in vet bills in 6 months especially when tuition is due with school coming up in a few weeks and already paying off the first surgery. I have no resentment towards my dog and I had no problems with her being "different" until the medical bills racked up. Giving her up will create a big hole in my home. Thank you for your recant of your statement and please if you find anything to help me, please let me know.

[Wolftrap]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Have you looked at this sticky?
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...vet-bills.html
It's a list of organizations that can help finance medical needs for your pets.

Yes, thanks I took a look at the sticky and all of the programs are income contingent.

[TLC]

Maybe contact a teaching university - Cornell maybe

While I understand that your views about dogs, humans, and money are your views and I respect that and your decision as to whether you get her the medical care needed or you *try* to surrender her to a rescue (there are quite a few here in the tri-state and east coast area), I do however, disagree with the statement that not too many people would pay 6K in Vet bills in 6 months. As I know plenty of people (including myself and hubby) that wouldn't even think twice as to providing any and all medical care needed for our pets. And we have done it already (and $ doesn't come easy for us either).

I wish your baby the best and I hope that you don't wait too long to get her the care needed. I am sure you know that the list of Yorkie Rescue can be found in the rescue section.

Also, I have used the this place for Roxy's LP surgery
The Center for Specialized Veterinary Care: Animal Hospital; Stay With Your Pet; Specialty Veterinary Care; Emergency Veterinarians; Best Vet Hospital In New York

Dr. Hinton is who did the surgery and I also recommended her to someone here on YT that need ACL surgery.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by TLC

Maybe contact a teaching university - Cornell maybe

While I understand that your views about dogs, humans, and money are your views and I respect that and your decision as to whether you get her the medical care needed or you *try* to surrender her to a rescue (there are quite a few here in the tri-state and east coast area), I do however, disagree with the statement that not too many people would pay 6K in Vet bills in 6 months. As I know plenty of people (including myself and hubby) that wouldn't even think twice as to providing any and all medical care needed for our pets. And we have done it already (and $ doesn't come easy for us either).

I wish your baby the best and I hope that you don't wait too long to get her the care needed. I am sure you know that the list of Yorkie Rescue can be found in the rescue section.

Also, I have used the this place for Roxy's LP surgery
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whooh.........you said it all for me

[Wolftrap]

Originally Posted by TLC

Maybe contact a teaching university - Cornell maybe

While I understand that your views about dogs, humans, and money are your views and I respect that and your decision as to whether you get her the medical care needed or you *try* to surrender her to a rescue (there are quite a few here in the tri-state and east coast area), I do however, disagree with the statement that not too many people would pay 6K in Vet bills in 6 months. As I know plenty of people (including myself and hubby) that wouldn't even think twice as to providing any and all medical care needed for our pets. And we have done it already (and $ doesn't come easy for us either).

I wish your baby the best and I hope that you don't wait too long to get her the care needed. I am sure you know that the list of Yorkie Rescue can be found in the rescue section.

Also, I have used the this place for Roxy's LP surgery
The Center for Specialized Veterinary Care: Animal Hospital; Stay With Your Pet; Specialty Veterinary Care; Emergency Veterinarians; Best Vet Hospital In New York

Dr. Hinton is who did the surgery and I also recommended her to someone here on YT that need ACL surgery.

I didn't mean that most people wouldn't pay $6,000 I said that most people dont have that kind of money. You may be willing to sacrifice more "living" standards for you dog than I would esepcially being that I am single and paying all of my bills alone. I respect your opinion but a roof over my head, food on my table and an education for my orphaned family member is going to trump my dog any day and I don't apologize for that. Me, the dog and my family member would be out on the street if I went bankrupt paying vet bills. I am exhausting all of my options before giving her up. That is a last resort and not the first thing I automatically went to so I'm definitely not as cold hearted as some may think. And giving her to a rescue IMO is a great idea and will guarantee that she will not be mistreated or put down. If I were really cold I would have just take her to the local animal shelter. I am researching all of my options. Trust me and if in the end I have to give her up, I won't be the first or the last person to have to give up their dog unwillingly because they could no longer afford the care she needs. This to me is a responsible decision.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Wolftrap

I didn't mean that most people wouldn't pay $6,000 I said that most people dont have that kind of money. You may be willing to sacrifice more "living" standards for you dog than I would esepcially being that I am single and paying all of my bills alone. I respect your opinion but a roof over my head, food on my table and an education for my orphaned family member is going to trump my dog any day and I don't apologize for that. Me, the dog and my family member would be out on the street if I went bankrupt paying vet bills. I am exhausting all of my options before giving her up. That is a last resort and not the first thing I automatically went to so I'm definitely not as cold hearted as some may think. And giving her to a rescue IMO is a great idea and will guarantee that she will not be mistreated or put down. If I were really cold I would have just take her to the local animal shelter. I am researching all of my options. Trust me and if in the end I have to give her up, I won't be the first or the last person to have to give up their dog unwillingly because they could no longer afford the care she needs. This to me is a responsible decision.

I do agree with you that if you can not or will not provide the needed medical care, then YES - please go the route of trying to get a Yorkie Rescue to take her in. As that is the best solution for her (if it comes to that point).

I never said you were cold all I said was that I disagree with a statement made about the 6K.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Wolftrap

I didn't mean that most people wouldn't pay $6,000 I said that most people dont have that kind of money. You may be willing to sacrifice more "living" standards for you dog than I would esepcially being that I am single and paying all of my bills alone. I respect your opinion but a roof over my head, food on my table and an education for my orphaned family member is going to trump my dog any day and I don't apologize for that. Me, the dog and my family member would be out on the street if I went bankrupt paying vet bills. I am exhausting all of my options before giving her up. That is a last resort and not the first thing I automatically went to so I'm definitely not as cold hearted as some may think. And giving her to a rescue IMO is a great idea and will guarantee that she will not be mistreated or put down. If I were really cold I would have just take her to the local animal shelter. I am researching all of my options. Trust me and if in the end I have to give her up, I won't be the first or the last person to have to give up their dog unwillingly because they could no longer afford the care she needs. This to me is a responsible decision.

Have you tried submitting an application anyway and explain that you are not only financially responsible for yourself but also responsible for another person? Sometimes, explaining the whole situation can help your case. Who knows, maybe someone sympathetic will receive your application and find a way to help you out, even if it's just partially. Stranger things have happened!!! Good luck!!!

[ButterflyKisses]

As usual there is always the "other side of the Story. This little girl that has the health problems was purchased in Dec. of 2004. I, the breeder was never contacted about any health problems until this month - August 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm to be exact by e-mail. So the whole time when she should have been letting me know what problems were going on with this little girl, she never said a word. As soon as she e-mailed me a very ugly e-mail - probably egged on by some of the responses she got to her posting here - I took her e-mail to my vet and ask him to look it over - remember I had not heard ANYTHING from her before this month and she has had this puppy for 3 1/2 years. My vet and my vet tech requested that she send her medical records for the puppy - but she has yet to agree to do so. I also ask her why she didn't keep me posted on her puppy's problems as I tell everyone who buys a puppy from me that I am always there to answer any questions they have. But she did not tell me why she didn't communicate her unhappyness - she only told everyone else (on this site plus a few other Yorkie sites)
My goal is to always have the happiest, healthiest puppies possible.
I also contacted as many of the owners to the siblings of this puppy as I could to see if they were experiencing any health problems. The replies I received were very positive that their little dogs were doing great. So then I went further and checked with some other people who bought from a different litter that these same parents have to see if they had any health problems there - again, they all said that their puppies were doing great and that they LOVED them. Several of these family have bought serveral of their very loved pets from me over the years and yet I have not had any health issues with any of them. In fact this letter that I was sent regarding this puppy (just this month remember) was the first time I have ever had something like this happen. Of course it was very upsetting as I had no idea this had even happened. I only wish she had contacted me at the beginning. but she didn't talk to me or my vet and still refuses to speak with my vet or have her vet speak with my vet concerning these problems. I did tell her about the underbite before she bought her in case she didn't want to get her since she had that. I do not sell a puppy without the new family knowing everything that I know about the puppy - but I exect that many of you are already prejudging me - so the truth doesn't matter to some of you, but maybe it will matter to some people. As far as being a Christian. I don't expect any one who is not a Christian to understand this - but the the number one reason I will be honest in every way I can is that even though a person can be fooled, God can't be. And it is God I have to stand before when I die - and when I am standing there, I want to be found as faultless as possible. I also want to treat people the way I want to be treated (that is able Biblical) which is not what has been happening here by others.
I know there are some of you that will prejudge me - but that is between you and God (even if you don't believe in Him). I have done what is right and if Tonya had come to me in the beginning instead of just blasting me this month for something I knew nothing about - I would have done my best to do what was right with her. But she chose not to do that. In fact before her puppy even had any health problems she was critizing me for her little girl having larger ears and an underbite that she knew about. I didn't know about any hernia - the puppy did not have a hernia when it left here nor when she had her first vet check - or she hopefully would have told me at that time. I would not be writing this but I don't appreciate being smeared by people who don't know me and don't bother to check with my vet to see about my honesty, the care of my dogs or the way I raise my puppies. I would hope that dog loving people are fair and considerate, but I guess not all are that way. Tonya was complaining about this puppy to everyone but me from early on. Just maybe there are two sides to every story. My vet also couldn't believe that her vet would charge $3000 for the surgery. If she had contacted me before having the surgery and we had spoken with my vet then maybe she would not have paid this.
The only way I know about this link is that I was fooling around on the computer earlier this year (2008) and found my site listed on this web site. I went to it to see why and that is when I saw her complaining about the looks of her little girl. At that time she didn't say anything about the health problems her puppy has recently experienced, but since she will not send my vet her puppies medical records for him to check over, I don't even know when these injuries happened. Just like she is mad at her previous vet - she seems to be out to be mad at anyone she can be mad out due to her little dog's problem. As I told her, I am very saddened about her little one. I would never intentionally sell a puppy knowing there were any genetic (if the problems are even genetic) health issues. As with a child - there may be one child in who knows how many that come up with medical problems that were not expected. Of 8 years of breeding puppies, this is the very first time I've had this happen to me - just wish I had known so I could have handled it in a good way instead of being blasted when I was never even given the chance to work with her on this problem. My health gurantee is meant to be fair for both me and the new puppy family - in fact her guarantee was much more leineint then the one I have now - and my vet will tell you that I will bend over backward to help anyone with their puppy. But I can't do anything about something I don't know about. I don't wish any bad feelings toward Tonya, but if we smear someones name as she (and some of you) have done to me - I think it's fair to hear both sides. I do love my Yorkies! I am a stay at home "doggy" mom after being a stay at home - home schooling mom to my 4 daughters who are now adults and on their on - I have to nuture - that is why I raise puppies.

[lilbumbleybees]

Wow, I'm at a loss with this post. I do think you're being responsible in very thoroughly looking at what you can or cannot do for your baby. I don't make a whole lot of money, and sometimes I have to make myself wait a few days to decide if a my baby has a condition that I TRULY have to take him/her to the vet for. Is it because I don't care about my babies? NOT AT ALL. It's because I have to think about A. are they or I going to be able to eat if this is something not worth going to the vet for and B. is this just a small hiccup or do they really need a doctor's care? It's not about loving or not loving your pet. I fully understand that. I do honestly believe if you truly believe the financial situation will be much too difficult for you, that you are making a good decision to find a responsible yorkie rescue to give her to. It may not be an easy decision, but it means you are thinking of her. I know a lot of us have VERY different opinions on what someone should or shouldn't do. But coming from someone who fostered two babies from a lady who "just couldn't do it", I know fully well that until you are in someone else's shoe you CAN'T judge and CAN'T pretend to know what they're going through or what their situation is exactly like. I just wish you the peace of mind in knowing you did the right thing, whichever path you choose and I wish your baby the best of care and the best of luck.

[YorkieChick1]

Wow, I was really feeling sorry for the OP, Tonya, until I heard the response from her breeder. Why wouldn't you contact the breeder right when these medical issues started?? My Brooke has a rare brain disease and calling her breeder was one of my first calls after I found out. Even if it is just to inform the breeder, if it is not a congenital issue. I do think the breeder has too many different breeds and is listed with USDA which is a negative but her response indicates that she does care and would have helped had she been informed. I just feel sorry for the little fur girl and hope she gets the medical care she needs and deserves.