Against Puppy Mills Club

[Carterna]

Totally against them!
Izzy
2 yrs.
PROUD FEMALE

[msjagg]

Baron is a 9 month old male Yorkie who I bought from a breeder after checking with the A.K.C. I have a rescue from a puppy mill , 7 year old Papillion named Sammy. I live in Lancaster County Pa. This is Puppy MIll Centeral. It makes me sick. They now use the Internet to sell their pups posed in little red wagons and holding Beanie Babies next to them. If you find them online be very, very, careful... Baron and I hate Puppy Mills and there is a site here on YT!!! Look @ clubs, it's there, PLEASE join up!!! Baron and his Mom

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by msjagg

Baron is a 9 month old male Yorkie who I bought from a breeder after checking with the A.K.C. I have a rescue from a puppy mill , 7 year old Papillion named Sammy. I live in Lancaster County Pa. This is Puppy MIll Centeral. It makes me sick. They now use the Internet to sell their pups posed in little red wagons and holding Beanie Babies next to them. If you find them online be very, very, careful... Baron and I hate Puppy Mills and there is a site here on YT!!! Look @ clubs, it's there, PLEASE join up!!! Baron and his Mom

You bring up a very important point. The word about Pet Stores has gotten out and a quite a few people have stop buying them at pet stores, but think nothing about buying them on the Internet. I would thing a Pet Store is better; at least you would have some recourse, if the animal dies. Like you say the websites show cute poses of puppies, and people actually believe that they are getting that particular dog, this isn't the case, you just get a dog, and the pictures could be years old. Don't buy from a pet store or website or you are condoning the torture of millions of dogs. You need to convince other to actually see where the puppies are being raised in order to stop this.

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You bring up a very important point. The word about Pet Stores has gotten out and a quite a few people have stop buying them at pet stores, but think nothing about buying them on the Internet. I would thing a Pet Store is better; at least you would have some recourse, if the animal dies. Like you say the websites show cute poses of puppies, and people actually believe that they are getting that particular dog, this isn't the case, you just get a dog, and the pictures could be years old. Don't buy from a pet store or website or you are condoning the torture of millions of dogs. You need to convince other to actually see where the puppies are being raised in order to stop this.

OH OH - now i have to disagree with part of what you said - now mind you its just part - I am totally against pet shops and puppy mills BUT
a large part of my buyers start with a picture via my website and then if they are approved as a possible parent , we move on to email pictures and on and on - And the pictures of puppies are taken the same day they are sent.
Not years or months before. I use a website due to where i am located in a very rural north Florida area.
Please don't generalize like that against anyone who has a website- I know that if you poll my many puppy owners they will have to tell you that when they were getting pictures of the baby every week or so and then got their real live baby , that it definitely was the same puppy - No they do not all look alike and each has definite differences.
To generalize against any breeder that has a website is no more fair than for me to say anyone that contacts me and doesn't want to make a long trip until the baby is ready to go to its new home , must be a scammer of some kind or perhaps i hear of one person that lives in a certain area and they mistreated a dog so i should never sell to someone that comes from that city or what ever . You have to be careful when you lump everone into a group because if i would discriminate against someone based on what someone else had done, then i would be most unfair.

There now i have had my say

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by hasrv4fun

OH OH - now i have to disagree with part of what you said - now mind you its just part - I am totally against pet shops and puppy mills BUT
a large part of my buyers start with a picture via my website and then if they are approved as a possible parent , we move on to email pictures and on and on - And the pictures of puppies are taken the same day they are sent.
Not years or months before. I use a website due to where i am located in a very rural north Florida area.
Please don't generalize like that against anyone who has a website- I know that if you poll my many puppy owners they will have to tell you that when they were getting pictures of the baby every week or so and then got their real live baby , that it definitely was the same puppy - No they do not all look alike and each has definite differences.
To generalize against any breeder that has a website is no more fair than for me to say anyone that contacts me and doesn't want to make a long trip until the baby is ready to go to its new home , must be a scammer of some kind or perhaps i hear of one person that lives in a certain area and they mistreated a dog so i should never sell to someone that comes from that city or what ever . You have to be careful when you lump everone into a group because if i would discriminate against someone based on what someone else had done, then i would be most unfair.

There now i have had my say

I should have been clearer. Joey's breeder has a website as well, but she doesn't use it to sell puppies. A prospective buyer has to be interviewed. She uses the website to inform buyers about her breeding program and breeding dogs. Like you, she e-mailed me pictures of the actual puppies. All those websites have interview papers, but do you think most turn down anyone, especially with the Paypal payment right on the site. I do think there are good breeders out there that have websites, but how can anyone be sure unless they see in person where the puppies are being raised? This is inconvenient, to be sure, but we all most make small sacrifices in order to stop puppy mills. Everyone buying from the Internet "think" they are getting a breeder just like you, but they are not.

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I should have been clearer. Joey's breeder has a website as well, but she doesn't use it to sell puppies. A prospective buyer has to be interviewed. She uses the website to inform buyers about her breeding program and breeding dogs. Like you, she e-mailed me pictures of the actual puppies. All those websites have interview papers, but do you think most turn down anyone, especially with the Paypal payment right on the site. I do think there are good breeders out there that have websites, but how can anyone be sure unless they see in person where the puppies are being raised? This is inconvenient, to be sure, but we all most make small sacrifices in order to stop puppy mills. Everyone buying from the Internet "think" they are getting a breeder just like you, but they are not.

Thank you for that - You do not and never will find a pay pal button on my website - all buyers have to be interviewed and approved and then go thru my back ground check -

But every one should be made aware that if there are mutiple breeds and loads of puppies and the availiblity to click on a button and order a baby , they should run as fast as they can from that website as the seller is only interested in a few dollars and no regard for the welfare of that baby.

I think you know that some of us do way more to try to be sure of where our babies go and how they are going to be treated before there is a sale done. If i had to live on what i make from my puppies believe me I would be a whole lot skinnier if you get what i mean. My vet is the only one that makes out on my babies.

Lets just keep trying to educate potential owners and help stop the puppy mills and unethical breeders as well as the high dollar pet shops that supposedly offer a guarantee , untill some one tries to collect then its another story about what that guarantee covers.

[Nancy1999]

Oh believe me, I in no way endorse buying dogs a pet stores, it's just that message seems to have gotten through to people, however so many people write threads about, "I didn't buy my dog from a pet store, because I read about that and how they sell puppy mill dogs, I got him online." We then check out the site, and it has a million red flags, but this person just felt safe buying on line for some reason. Shipping a tiny is never a good idea. So often the dog dies, and there is just nothing they can do about it.

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Oh believe me, I in no way endorse buying dogs a pet stores, it's just that message seems to have gotten through to people, however so many people write threads about, "I didn't buy my dog from a pet store, because I read about that and how they sell puppy mill dogs, I got him online." We then check out the site, and it has a million red flags, but this person just felt safe buying on line for some reason. Shipping a tiny is never a good idea. So often the dog dies, and there is just nothing they can do about it.

Yes , i agree totally -

is there a place on YT to make and post a list of the main "RED FLAGS " so that new comers would have a place to look ? and how would we get them to go there ?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by hasrv4fun

Yes , i agree totally -

is there a place on YT to make and post a list of the main "RED FLAGS " so that new comers would have a place to look ? and how would we get them to go there ?

What a great idea, I don't know of any such list, you could start a thread in general, and people could add some suggestions as well. After it's discussed, maybe a list could then be made, and if approved, admin might want to add it to their stickys.

On the other hand, it might just enable breeders to make their sites look acceptable.

[Rae Rae]

This is my first time seeing this thread...definitly want to join!

Rocky, Male, 2yrs old
Bella, Female, 1yr old

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

This is my first time seeing this thread...definitly want to join!

Rocky, Male, 2yrs old
Bella, Female, 1yr old

Yay, here's the actual place where you join, and the club will be listed on your profile page. Join YAP Here!

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

What a great idea, I don't know of any such list, you could start a thread in general, and people could add some suggestions as well. After it's discussed, maybe a list could then be made, and if approved, admin might want to add it to their stickys.

On the other hand, it might just enable breeders to make their sites look acceptable.

That would be the down side to this for sure - as i am sure you know that there are many "lurkers" that come on here to see what we say -- I know this as i get a great many emails from people that say they got my name from YT but when i question them , they don't have a user name or any posts on here - let me go back to the drawing board ( well thinking board) and see if there is a way that we could make a thread that only members could access - perhaps admin can advise me - you know sort of like the one that only certain members can access - what do you think ?

[Nancy1999]

Oh, I was speaking kind of tongue in cheek; I don't think the really bad ones are going to change their sites just because we say it's a red flag. We have been saying that "teacup" is a huge red flag, and I doubt if many breeders have stop using the word because of this. There are too many people out there that aren't aware of "red flags", and if we post where only certain members have access, than we aren't informing the general public. Maybe we could hold back on one "secret weapon" that only we know is a red flag.

Hey guys, I added Join YAP Here! " to my siggy. For instuction on how to do this, I'll post on the YAP message board.

[spoiledgirls]

Thank you Nancy! I will do that also!

[spoiledgirls]

Thank you everyone who has joined! Here is a link to a thread asking you to sign a very important petition against puppy mills.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...uppy-mill.html