[QUOTE=jesscruz]Umm first off the adult dog is wanted in another family it's not thrown in the street if that's what you are wondering, and if I kept all the dogs for the rest of their lives I would have too many. So once they cannot breed anymore (it's not the same as a pet) yes I give them away or sell them (shipping costs only) I admit here they aren't spoiled until they Rot but they are spoiled. And we all have our very own dog which will never be sold or given away. But others which are not for us personally yes are given to other families that will not breed them anymore. Don't get me wrong they are happy here but much more happy somewhere else where the competition is not there anymore. Example we gave a Chihuahua to my Friend the chihuahua was very happy here and it is always sad when they leave (puppy or dog) but the dog will be even happier over there. Of course they will be a bit sad for a few days but who wouldn't. And it only lasts a few days after that their even happier than before and center of attention.

I know your point thogh you think we abandon them, we don't bring them to shelter's and at the same time it's great for the people who do not have enough money or do not want to spend all their money on puppy they can purchase an adult (spay/neuter) and be very happy. A dog is perfect in almost every way it doesn't judge nor does it care what yuo have done in the past it simply wants your love and or attention. it's all it asks and in return you make a friend which offer's unconditional love. To any one anytime. at least our dogs are not hanged when they retire (I have learned that some breeders do that) "Mostly in the USA places it is actually legal" They call it sacrifice to stay legal but I don't care it's awful I rather give it away to someone who cares for it.

Thanks Marc-o

Please stop posting!!!!! I will make a new thread!

[QUOTE=royalpuppiesI know dogs feel pain by the way and it's not only food and water they get allot of attention. You should also know that after they are weaned there is no attachment to the puppies. (we do not force weane either) once the mother is ready she starts leaving the pen she starts by only a few minutes and everyday comes less and less after a small while they don't want to have anythign to do with the pups anymore. This comes naturally. Also we breed the females up to 5 years old usually 5 years old is MAXIMUM and they get a brake (skipped heat) after each litter or 2 litters depending on size. And they feel some pain but would you say I regret having a child because it hurt? they know what's coming and most are used to it. After they are retiered they are either sold or given away go a VERY LOVING family where they will be spoiled rotten for the rest of their lives. And in our house it's not the same as having only 1 or 2 yorkies, they have social statuses, one is the leader and others follow some chalenge (that's when we come in) so they actually have a life of their own as well here all competing against each other. And they are not spoiled rotten here as you probably know but they won't be left alone for very long either. They can play for at least 2 hours a day with a human and 24/7 with another dog.

Thanks please get back to the other post I will make a new thread
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Well my dog when she had her puppies did not stop wanting them even after they were weaned. She cried when I sold two of them and became very protective of the one we kept. So I do not know how true the no attachment thing is. Also at what age do you start breeding them?

And how would you suggest they choose? that's first. 2nd they feel but they are not intelegent beings (they don't have the power to choose that in the minds) they only have lusk and instinct for this type of choice. And Believe me when comes heat season they all want it and when they get their puppies they all love them and care for them. Dogs are sensient and intelegent but come on they aren't geniuses. Their intelegence is not at that point yet. When they don't want to breed (it does happen) they snap and bark at the same time and the male knows it's eiter not time yet or she doesn't want me. There is nothing about what they want or not want here. What if you DONT breed your female incase she might not want a few puppies and really depp down she want's as many as possible???? then how would the female feel (you can put this 2 ways)

i guess there is just no defense for you on this one seeing as you didn't aswer it. but go ahead and post somewhere else if you like...imo once true colors are shown it's hard to change them. i'm done!!!!

[QUOTE=jesscruz]
I don't know hun... I feel exactly the same way... I would never ever get rid of one of my dogs just to replace them with a new one to make a profit.. but you know it is all about the money sometimes.

They have to be at least 1.5 Years old and it has to be at least their 2nd heat.

I know some females are over protective and take much longer to separate and we would not want to break a females heart by doign this if we ever where to have a female that way rest assured we would not breed that female again. And we would wait as long as it takes to sell the pups even after 6 months if necesary.

Please note that breeding is not like having a pet either it's like a vet who has many dog deaths every year they get used to it but it still hurts. Same here. I am honest saying this it does hurt both of us but it is better for the Female in the long run.

post right before yours

[QUOTE=royalpuppies]
at least our dogs are not hanged when they retire (I have learned that some breeders do that) "Mostly in the USA places it is actually legal" They call it sacrifice to stay legal but I don't care it's awful I rather give it away to someone who cares for it.

Thanks Marc-o

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There is no place in the US that hanging a dog is legal, please do not speak of that which you do not know.

ok so this is your defense? that because their NOT intelligent enough to you, you feel that it's ok for you to decide! and i would imagine that even if a female doesn't want to breed, with YOU bringing in these "hot" boy dogs time after time she will eventually give in. i do not have a problem with breeding ok, what i have a problem with is when you breed so many dogs just so you can make BIG BUCKS! there are many breeders here on yt, and i think i am correct when i say that most of them only have a few girls they breed once in awhile that THEY STILL OWN AS THEIR PETS!!!! THIS TO ME IS A GOOD BREEDER!

[QUOTE=Ashantay]Actually called animal Sacrifice (if you go into details) and perfectly legal in some states (I can do some research if you like) i actually met a lady 4 years ago who used to do this. I guess god punished her since she died of a terrible car accident (car split in 2) 2 years ago. But that's not why I said this. I am really saying that I am not perfect but am not willing to kill a dog if it is healthy. So I give it away. It's just i am trying to proove a point I am not that Cruel and there are people much worse than me.

I would be most interested in knowing what States consider hanging your dog legal. So please share your research results with us. I'm sure the SPCA knows nothing about this "legal" activity. We'd not want them to go out there and charge someone with cruelty to animals when the activity is legal.

I see your point and to have many dogs is my choice, I am still trying to assure you that they are not mistreated. Also that they are pets to us but we only breed and have no ourside job and you have to understand this has became a business especially with a member of the Family who had a stroke a few years back I can't get an outside job without placing that person in a home and that person is actually a human and really doesn't want to go there.. But call it cruel if you want but I do give our Females and Males away once they reach about 5 years of age and then the research process restars all over again for a new female with no hereditary disease and all that.

You should also know that we are currently over stocked in dogs, we are eliminating the Chihuahua's, Chorkies, Maltese, and the Shelties are only limited time. Depending on availability in Germany the Biewers might have to go we have searched for a long time to find out that 90% of the biewers have the Liver Shunt gene in the family somewhere and it might be too late to eliminate it from the breed. We will have to wait on that though. The Chihuahua is going because all of our females are getting older we are happy to say they will find new homes with family and friends we will not be taking any more Chihuahuas to make Chorkies as we have decided the Morkie makes a better pet for (most people) and the Chihuahuas size creates a larger health risk to delivering puppies. To whom ever said the Shelties wheren't looking too good they are doing fine (i visited the breder who has them earlier during the night) and they are very playful and active. Maybe they where just scared of me when I took the pictures. They where also starting the weanign process when i took the pictures so their mothers did not let them go away for a very long time. And they where quite new to me. (Mother's where agitated and puppies nervous. We needed quick pictures at the time. There are already 4 Sold and many inquiries and all 4 buyers report playful and loving dogs. 100% healthy. Vet checked before leaving and they have their own vet check the puppies. (ALL FINE)

We will be actually starting a new breed (Morkie) of course the Name Morkie was for the MIX M for maltese and orkie for Yorkie to actually have both names in the name was the idea but for a breed we will be looking at names. We will keep pedigree information and breed to the highest standards (we also have many breeders on this who will be working with us to create this breed. Maybe in many years it will be recognized as a breed!.

please respond to http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13754 it is a new post I made

It is legal and SPCA knows this already as long as it's a certain religion (which the person can FAKE) it's legal to sacrifice an animal (NOT ONLY dogs!) some do with cows sheep dogs cats frogs anythign but humans and I will share my research on this with you!

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13754

Final comment a bit of a rant though
 

[QUOTE=royalpuppies]Hanging of a dog would be and is considered cruelty and if/when the person who does it is caught at it and there is sufficient evidence to bring the case to trial the person would be sentenced for it and or fined. You can do as much research as you like. If you know people who do this then you are speaking to the wrong people. As for her being punished for this by God I take offence to that as well as my best friend died in a horrible car accident and other then herself she hurt noone. Am I to believe from your statement that God wanted my friend and this woman to suffer? I am sure that she will be or was judged but I do not believe that her accident had anything to do with God reaking punishment on her. Your point is well taken you breed for profit... My vet in Alaska NEVER got used to loosing a dog and she is one of the most popular vets. She treats EVERY dog like it is her own and adores them. She asks about them even when you no longer live there and go to her. so the comparison to vets was a bit out of order as well.... MOST vets go into the business because they love animals not to make a buck. You have pointed out time and time again it is all about the money and nothing else. Oh sure you have stated you spoil them in one post but not too much and in another post said they are not spoiled at all. In one post you said they have constant companionship from a human and then in another you said something different something about them being alone for no more then 3 hours at a time. Honestly I live in England but I am not English I am an American I have taken offense to the way you discard your dogs though I give you a little credit for at least finding them a home first which is more then most puppy mills do. I have taken offense to your dig at America by stating we allow legally for people to hang dogs. I have taken offense to you using this post to plug your puppies. I do not like the fact that you sell TEACUP puppies for more then your other puppies when I have learned from this site that there are no teacups only smaller then normal dogs who have a LOT of health problems because they are so tiny. None of us can change your opinions and you cannot change ours. The only thing I accused you of was posting to a question of another YT members to trump up more business for yourself and I am sticking to that assumption. I have learned from my mother and nana as well as my vet and her assistant who breeds dogs that the best age to start breeding at is 2 years as they are fully developed by then. I do not know if this is true but I am going to assume it is. Please YT do not kill me if I am wrong :p I asked you ages ago how many breeding dogs you had you never answered that so makes me stop to think... my final word and after this I will no longer respond to anything you post is this, You do not know a lot about God if you think he can be the type to cause suffering to any man woman or beast. He is a loving and forgiving creator. I feel sorry for all those puppymill owners and all the breeders out there who will never know what love truly is and what it is to be loved unconditionally the way a dog loves us. I hate what they do to the dogs using them for their money making then selling them or throwing them away or as you have so rightly pointed out killing them. I wish I could rescue each and every one of these dogs including yours and place them in homes where they would be loved for being them and not for being a way to line their owners pockets with profit. Unfortunately I can't and there are always going to be breeders like yourself out there who breed simply to make money. Not because they love the breed and want to see it be the best that it can be. My mother says a true lover of dogs and a good breeder would never breed more then one kind of dog UNLESS they were breeding to start a new breed and even that is only breeding one kind of dog in the end. The more I learn about breeders and puppymills the more I tend to believe my mother. Dogs are wonderful wonderful beings and people who use them simply to make a profit make me sick. Rant is now turned off feel free to say what you will. YTers if you find a flaw with my post please send me a PM I will gladly apologize to any I have offended. My post was not meant to offend honestly.