Now, we can add "apple head Yorkies" to our list of concerns. I was reading a site and had heard that the person said she was gonna have apple head Yorkies. Anybody want an apple-headed parti Yorkie? That is apparently just down the road in her program...
I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but this really is a new one...
Also, Dog Fancy mag (can I say their name?) has 3 addys for labs to do testing for breeds in the background of any dog we have. I am considering this...Anybody else? I notice some mention of concern about mixing breeds to get these tris that I love so much...

As with T-cups and other Yorkies deemed "rare", apple head is another ploy just to get more $$$$.

Have you forgotten that partis and Biewers both came from traditional colored yorkies? Why is it OK for Biewers to be bred and not partis? It would make no sense to try to change the biewer standard to the traditional colored since there is already a club for them. However there is no club for the partis and they are every bit as much yorkies as the biewer. And yes if someone comes up with a pink yorkie without mixing in any other breed then they should be included.

Partis are the off spring of champions.


And yes Sue did say that and that issue has aready been addressed.

So would using the claim that they came from a background of champions also be a ploy to get more money? that would probably be rare also since most yorkies on the market are not the offspring of champions.

I dont notice that champion sired dogs are any more expensive than the run of the mill Yorkies. In fact, some are even cheaper and you get better, by far, quality.

I dont believe that Biewers came from two traditional Yorkies either.

Im sorry, must have missed the "traditional colored Biewer" club. It also makes no sence to change the standard of the Yorkie either.

Then why do they make that claim when they advertise their puppies? I don't understand why parti breeders use the term rare since most people have never heard of them, they already assume that they are 'rare"

You don't? Have you researched them?

Just wanted to know, this "blue" colored hair of the Yorkie, it's a dark charcoal metallic looking hair, and so beautiful, in my opinion. Does anyone know what other breeds of dogs has this kind of hair?

:rolleyes: This does not even warrent a response.

Didnt they come from the mating from 3 Streamglen Yorkies? Can you show me an article where the Stramglen kennel produced any other parti colors? I am sure those 3 dogs were not the only Streamglen Yorkies to have the parti gene. Where did the chocolate gene come into play? I saw a chocolate and white Biewer from Germany at my last show. Just wondering.

I think more people are supportive of breeding Biewers because there IS a standard, there ARE breed clubs, they ARE recognized as something different. It took years and years and years of coordinated efforts to get there and I'm sure they faced the same nay-sayers and scrutiny when the Biewers were a new concept that you are experiencing now. It wasn't something that happened overnight. Once there is organized club for parties on a larger scale, maybe they'll be viewed the same. Until then, there will be opposition.
I would feel every bit as skeptical if I with someone I didn't know claiming to have Biewers as I would Parti, or any other off standard variation. It's new, it's in demand and there are people everywhere looking to turn a quick profit. That is not something exclusive to just this breed or any variation thereof.

Yes they probably did run into the same type of opposition, and it probably did take time. and our efforts will not bef recognized overnight either. But we won't be driven off.

And I agree completely on being cautious of all of them. too many have sprung up too sudden;ly. I suspect there are a lot of "knockoffs' out there.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. The Biewers are parti colored.

I think she is referring to what are being labled as "Biros"--they are Biewers w/ chocolate coloring and white instead...or something like that. Sorry, not really that in the know about "Biros." Or maybe it's Brio? (Hey, I'm tryin' here!)

For information on the Biewer origin please refer to the link below to the Biewer Club of America website.

No I was confused about the 3 Streamglen yorkies and there not being other parti colors Blah blah blah. Not sure what she was tryhing to say. As for the chocolate Biewers, if they exist I imagine they are running uip against some opposition also.

Oh, OK...I misunderstood...sorry.

Here is a link so a site with one of the "Biros", just BTW.
hershey

WOW those are interestingly colored. I had never seen those before.

Man, I have lots of catching up to do ...

The founders never included parti, chocolate, solid colors, goldens OR BLACK and tan in the development of this breed but these colors have been showing up since the beginning of the breed (1800's).

I wonder how many of the yorkies born with white spots on their chest and toes are actually parti carriers? I've had several parti carriers born (parti sires x traditional mothers) that had minimal white markings, so when I see a 1 inch spot of white on a pups chest with white toes, well, it kinda makes me wonder.

Back in the old days prior to DNA and the understanding of genetics that we have today, people were ignorant because they knew no better. But today we do know better and science is more advanced, so what was once thought to be in the mid 1800's, we now know isn't true.

Prior to there being an AKC or Official Yorkshire Terrier breed, during the 1700 - mid 1800's these terrier type dogs were used for hunting. Their owners could have cared less if they bred their bitches to blue and tan studs, they just wanted to produce superior ratters and hunters. If Mr. Smyth had the best hunter male terrier in town and his dog just happened to be rust colored or parti colored, the farmers, millers, and spinners didn't care and bred their bitches to that stud regardless of color. These commoners just wanted to try to improve their own breeding stock in order to help feed their families. For them color wasn't an issue; speed, stamina, accuracy and bringing home the dinner was.

If we still thought the way our fore fathers thought, the world would still be flat! :wink:

Maybe someone feels their golden yorkie's rich gold color will enhance the tan/gold in their potential show dogs. Maybe someone with a chocolate feels that their dog has the most beautiful silk coat that will improve the texture of their lines? Unless this breeder breeds these "off colored" dogs to another yorkie who carries the same off colored gene, their pups will be traditional colored with hopefully, richer golden tan markings (golden breeding to traditional breeding) and improved silken coats (chocolate breeding to traditional breeding). There is no difference between breeding back coated yorkies to blue coated yorkies, or breeding another "off colored" yorkie to a traditional colored yorkie. You are still breeding an off color to the standard blue colored yorkie.

This is quite different then what I had in mind, I think my objection is toward the marketing of their offspring as rare, and unique.

My reply was directed BamaFan121s post and not something you said (I don't think).

I'm not trying to be argumentative with anyone, I'm just trying to get people to think outside of the "proverbial" box. :)

Oh, I didn't think you were replying to me, I thought we were just having a discussion with some people wondering why it does bother some of us. I think this thread has been very informative and respectful, especially considering others on the same topic.

Actually Sue, I was agreeing with and referring to one of your previous posts when I commented on the breeding back to standard colors yorkies...

I guess this is an aspect we will just have to agree to disagree on.

blue and tan
 

I think we need to keep to the standard. I love the true colors. That is what in my eyes makes a yorkie special and unique.=D

Yes, I do believe the sun can lighten up their hair....
Why not???
Kat

Theres your answer right in front of you....Why mix 2 dogs that may carry the same disease???
Forget about the color....I love the multi colored babies....My concern is breeding 2 dogs with simular gene that causes, Livershunt, colapsed trachea...etc...
Thats my main concern here.
Kat

The new colors are gorgeous. No matter if you agree or disagree with them, they are gorgeous!