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mscat 08-23-2008 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2198834)
She will only sell them to the ignorant and uniformed. Taking a fault and breeding for it and then raising the price over what a beautiful Yorkie that is within standard is ludicrous. However greeders and those ignorant customers who yearn to be different will find each other. If you really desire to be "different" perhaps you ought to find a Yorkie within standard. :rolleyes:
I do not think Nancy was wrong to post that... I actually agree with her.. Breed to the standard. To me it is not a trus Yorkie- Parties, or Beiwers... Their in a leaque of their own... Although beautiful . Not the standard bred Yorkie.... :thumbdown

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl (Post 2198898)
IMO...There is nothing more beautiful or more breathtaking than a well bred and correctly colored dark steel blue and golden tan yorkie!!!

Those that believe that black and tan yorkies used for breeding is a double standard...I have a question for you. When two black and tan yorkies are bred together they can produce a correctly colored yorkie. When two partis are bred together can they produce a correctly colored yorkie?
:thumbup::thumbup:THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

BamaFan121s 08-23-2008 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl (Post 2198898)
When two black and tan yorkies are bred together they can produce a correctly colored yorkie. When two partis are bred together can they produce a correctly colored yorkie?
Those have been my thoughts all along...when breeders integrate black and tan into their programs, it is to bring richness in color back into the line but still with the intention of producing standard colored offspring....not at all the same, IMO.

And yes, to me $4-5K for a dog with the marketing as "rare" I just don't understand--whether it off-color, extra small or show quality standard. If the breeder is covering costs of stock, show expenses, medical testing or genetic testing, that's one thing, but just because you "can" get that much....quite another.

Nancy1999 08-23-2008 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198897)
Yes they are. Coloe number 014. Are you serious? You really ha no idea they are registered with the AKCf. I thought I pointed that out in an earlier post. Nikko's Mickey Spillane son of Ch rolls Royce Ashley is the first registered parti colored yorkie.
Read my question again.
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2198854)
How exactly are they registered? I know they are eligible if parents were eligible, but they are not listed, as Parti colored are they? Dogs with all sorts of faults can be listed if parents were listed.
I said I know they were eligible, but didn't know how they were listed. It isn't using the word Parti. I guess the answer is "Color number 014". I think many people are mislead to believe that there is a special "Parti" category.

Here's a quote form the YTCA website:
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Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.
Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KathyRad62 (Post 2198857)
I didn't know they were a registered breed and I apologize for offending you as I see you are a parti breeder? Leave it to me to stick my foot in my mouth after being a member for two days. Again I'm sorry.:(
What is important here is Have you learned anything from this thread?

The Parti subject always produces a lot of controversy. We parti lovers hasve fought this battle repeatedly and the same issues are always brought up, but yet I do learn something from every debate.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2198914)
I believe the original breeders were trying to produce a blue and tan terrier. When they finally found someone who could read and write, the records were written and no where does it mention that parties were what they were breeding for.
You are correct, they weren't but we are. The question was whether or not their breeding was substantiate. And in every historical account of the beginnings of the yorkshire terrier it states that there is little more than unsubstantiated information to go on.

mscat 08-23-2008 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2198927)
Those have been my thoughts all along...when breeders integrate black and tan into their programs, it is to bring richness in color back into the line but still with the intention of producing standard colored offspring....not at all the same, IMO.

And yes, to me $4-5K for a dog with the marketing as "rare" I just don't understand--whether it off-color, extra small or show quality standard. If the breeder is covering costs of stock, show expenses, medical testing or genetic testing, that's one thing, but just because you "can" get that much....quite another.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2198922)
I do not think Nancy was wrong to post that... I actually agree with her.. Breed to the standard. To me it is not a trus Yorkie- Parties, or Beiwers... Their in a leaque of their own... Although beautiful . Not the standard bred Yorkie.... :thumbdown
I know this to be completely untrue because I personally am nither ignorant or uninformed. I know exactly what I am doing. so she is not only bordering on name calling she is also incorrect in her assumptions.

And the entire post added no value whatsoever to the conversation of the thread. It was completely demagogous.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl (Post 2198898)
IMO...There is nothing more beautiful or more breathtaking than a well bred and correctly colored dark steel blue and golden tan yorkie!!!

Those that believe that black and tan yorkies used for breeding is a double standard...I have a question for you. When two black and tan yorkies are bred together they can produce a correctly colored yorkie. They can yes, but they don't always do so.When two partis are bred together can they produce a correctly colored yorkie].
Nope they will produce a parti colored. Recessive genes alwasy breed true

BamaFan121s 08-23-2008 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198963)
And the entire post added no value whatsoever to the conversation of the thread. It was completely demagogous.
Well, in all fairness, there have been quite a few of those types of posts within the last 21 pages of this thread. I was actually shocked to see that it was still alive and well and still going. :p It's almost like de ja vu...I could SWEAR this conversation has all taken place before. :) I can't wait to look back on this in 10 years and see how times and opinions have changed.:thumbup:

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2198931)
Read my question again.


I said I know they were eligible, but didn't know how they were listed. It isn't using the word Parti. I guess the answer is "Color number 014". I think many people are mislead to believe that there is a special "Parti" category.

Here's a quote form the YTCA website:
Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

The YTCA is not the AKC. I do not know the wording for the color number, I'm guessing that 014 is the number for partie colored dogs. I do not know that for sure, just guessing. But I'm not sure how or why that even matters. They are registered as color #014. And that was the question that was asked and answered.

mscat 08-23-2008 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198963)
I know this to be completely untrue because I personally am nither ignorant or uninformed. I know exactly what I am doing. so she is not only bordering on name calling she is also incorrect in her assumptions.

And the entire post added no value whatsoever to the conversation of the thread. It was completely demagogous.
Sorry you feel that way... Thank you.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2198981)
Well, in all fairness, there have been quite a few of those types of posts within the last 21 pages of this thread. I was actually shocked to see that it was still alive and well and still going. :p It's almost like de ja vu...I could SWEAR this conversation has all taken place before. :) I can't wait to look back on this in 10 years and see how times and opinions have changed.:thumbup:
:thumbup::thumbup:

I agree to that. However there are new members all the time that are unaware of the previous threads. I hope they can eek out some information on when how and why parti colored yorkies came about and not merely that anyone who thinks of buying one is ignorant and uninformed.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2198988)
Sorry you feel that way... Thank you.
I was not referring to anything that you posted.

BamaFan121s 08-23-2008 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198994)
I agree to that. However there are new members all the time that are unaware of the previous threads. I hope they can eek out some information on when how and why parti colored yorkies came about and not merely that anyone who thinks of buying one is ignorant and uninformed.
That is true, there are always new members who are looking to gain information and opinions. I do believe however that both sides with differing opinions have a right to express their thoughts on the subject.
The past few pages have been neither--it's been long time members aguing out their "sides"...so it would seem as if this thread, like all the others before it, is quickly approaching having run it's course.

Nancy1999 08-23-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198987)
The YTCA is not the AKC. I do not know the wording for the color number, I'm guessing that 014 is the number for partie colored dogs. I do not know that for sure, just guessing. But I'm not sure how or why that even matters. They are registered as color #014. And that was the question that was asked and answered.

I realize the YTCA is not the AKC; the YTCA is the parent club of the AKC, and set the standard for Yorkshire Terriers. The AKC is just a registry that the YTCA uses and the AKC sets no rules for what a Yorkie should look like, only the YTCA sets the rules. There's is no listing for Parti. Register color #014 may mean "other" for all I know, but it doesn't mean Parti. I think some of the statements made that try to imply Partis are a special breed listed with the AKC are very misleading. There is no listing for Parti. Like I said before, a dog is eligible if his parents were eligible, and they are simply listed as Yorkshire Terriers.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2199015)
I realize the YTCA is not the AKC; the YTCA is the parent club of the AKC, and set the standard for Yorkshire Terriers. The AKC is just a registry that the YTCA uses and the AKC sets no rules for what a Yorkie should look like, only the YTCA sets the rules. There's is no listing for Parti. Register color #014 may mean "other" for all I know, but it doesn't mean Parti. I think some of the statements made that try to imply Partis are a special breed listed with the AKC are very misleading. There is no listing for Parti. Like I said before, a dog is eligible if his parents were eligible, and they are simply listed as Yorkshire Terriers.
Yes that is true, they are listed as yorkshire terriers having the color number of 014. But not ever off colored yorkie can be registered with the AKC. Those breeders who worked with the AKC to get the oparti colored registered had 42 litters of puppies DNA'd i9n order to satisfy the AKC that they were indeed purebred yorkshire terriers of a different color. No other off colors have been accepted.

So if you breed two traditional colored yorkies that are AKC registered and produce a chocolate or a golden, you cannot register them because there is no color number to give them.

So the statement that you made saying that they are eligible if their parents are eligible is not completely correct.

So unlike other off colors, Parti colored yarkies are not just eligible, they are accepted and registered by the AKC.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2199007)
That is true, there are always new members who are looking to gain information and opinions. I do believe however that both sides with differing opinions have a right to express their thoughts on the subject.
The past few pages have been neither--it's been long time members aguing out their "sides"...so it would seem as if this thread, like all the others before it, is quickly approaching having run it's course.
There are still inaccuracies being posted that need to be corrected and clarified.

New members should not be bullied into being afraid to buy parti colored yorkies by people who give them misinformation about them. I am just trying to set the record straight.

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199029)
Yes that is true, they are listed as yorkshire terriers having the color number of 014. But not ever off colored yorkie can be registered with the AKC. Those breeders who worked with the AKC to get the oparti colored registered had 42 litters of puppies DNA'd i9n order to satisfy the AKC that they were indeed purebred yorkshire terriers of a different color. No other off colors have been accepted.

So if you breed two traditional colored yorkies that are AKC registered and produce a chocolate or a golden, you cannot register them because there is no color number to give them.

So the statement that you made saying that they are eligible if their parents are eligible is not completely correct.

So unlike other off colors, Parti colored yarkies are not just eligible, they are accepted and registered by the AKC.
Were these puppies only DNA'd against the parents to see if, in fact, these were the parents of the puppies?

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199034)
There are still inaccuracies being posted that need to be corrected and clarified.

New members should not be bullied into being afraid to buy parti colored yorkies by people who give them misinformation about them. I am just trying to set the record straight.
But if the Yorkies background cant be prove one way or the other, how do you know you are not giving out the mis-information? Why is it only the reputable breeder/exhibitor, that have for years studied Yorkies, are giving out mis-information?

BamaFan121s 08-23-2008 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199034)
There are still inaccuracies being posted that need to be corrected and clarified.

New members should not be bullied into being afraid to buy parti colored yorkies by people who give them misinformation about them. I am just trying to set the record straight.
I don't see any 'inaccuracies'--I see differing opinions on the subject, which everyone is entitled to. No new members are being 'bullied' into being afraid of anything. (Heck, no new members are even posting here anymore.) But I think that they should DEFINATELY be warned to look out for people breeding for profit. I would think you'd issue the same warnings if someone came on here asking about a 5,000 'teacup.' I think that what you are viewing as "misinformation" is would be more accurately described as a view on the subject that is different from your own.

mscat 08-23-2008 03:34 PM
I would not personally by a parti breed or Yorkie mix . It is just not for me, and against my beliefs. I am all for the Yorkie Standard, and feel that it should be upheld to the highest level. :thumbup:
People who want to have something else and willing to pay thousands of dollars for something "designer" are ignorant.. IMO. :aimeeyork

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2199050)
I would not personally by a parti breed or Yorkie mix . It is just not for me, and against my beliefs. I am all for the Yorkie Standard, and feel that it should be upheld to the highest level. :thumbup:
People who want to have something else and willing to pay thousands of dollars for something "designer" are ignorant.. IMO. :aimeeyork
:thumbup::thumbup:

Or they just have lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to burn!!!LOL

Nancy1999 08-23-2008 03:42 PM
Registration
 
Sorry, posted in wrong thread.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2199042)
But if the Yorkies background cant be prove one way or the other, how do you know you are not giving out the mis-information? Why is it only the reputable breeder/exhibitor, that have for years studied Yorkies, are giving out mis-information?



I am giving out the information that is proven. And the fact the beginnings of the breed are undocumented, is documented.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2199035)
Were these puppies only DNA'd against the parents to see if, in fact, these were the parents of the puppies?
You would have to ask the AKC what they were trying to prove with the DNA. But whatever it was, they were satisfied that those parti colored yorkies did indeed come from 2 traditionqal colored yorkshire terriers. And that those parents came from long lines of registered yorkshire terrier champions.

JeanieK 08-23-2008 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2199044)
I don't see any 'inaccuracies'--I see differing opinions on the subject, which everyone is entitled to. No new members are being 'bullied' into being afraid of anything. (Heck, no new members are even posting here anymore.) But I think that they should DEFINATELY be warned to look out for people breeding for profit. I would think you'd issue the same warnings if someone came on here asking about a 5,000 'teacup.' I think that what you are viewing as "misinformation" is would be more accurately described as a view on the subject that is different from your own.
Just because they are not posting does not mean they are not reading. There have been several innacuracies or inuendos that I have had to correct or clarify because they were either incorrect or misleading.

And if telling someone that anyone who buys these dogs is ignorant and misinformed isn't bullying, than I don't know what it is.

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199087)

I am giving out the information that is proven. And the fact the beginnings of the breed are undocumented, is documented.
Didnt I already say this with the exception of that it has been documented that the founders were breeding for a blue and tan dog, not a parti colored dog.

Are you accusing me of being demagogous and that my statements have no value? I kind of take offense at that!

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199092)
You would have to ask the AKC what they were trying to prove with the DNA. But whatever it was, they were satisfied that those parti colored yorkies did indeed come from 2 traditionqal colored yorkshire terriers. And that those parents came from long lines of registered yorkshire terrier champions.
But I thought you were the guru on parti colors! I would have thought that you would be up to speed on exactly what AKC was DNAing for. Wouldnt that knowlege be in your best interest? As I said before, just because the parents were DNA'd against the puppies that they produced doesnt mean that there wasnt a "fly in the pudding", purposely bred in by bybrs for a cash crop or other reasons, only a few generations ago, before DNA and kennel inspections.

yorkiekist 08-23-2008 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2199092)
You would have to ask the AKC what they were trying to prove with the DNA. But whatever it was, they were satisfied that those parti colored yorkies did indeed come from 2 traditionqal colored yorkshire terriers. And that those parents came from long lines of registered yorkshire terrier champions.
You must be talking about the coveted NIKKO kennels! I have no other comments on them.


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