Do you approve of different colored yorkies?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

She will only sell them to the ignorant and uniformed. Taking a fault and breeding for it and then raising the price over what a beautiful Yorkie that is within standard is ludicrous. However greeders and those ignorant customers who yearn to be different will find each other. If you really desire to be "different" perhaps you ought to find a Yorkie within standard.

This comes ALARMINGLY close to nasme calling, which is not allowed. Please keep your remarks informative so as not to get this thread closed.


The OP wanted to know what you think of the dogs, not what you think of people who breed and buy the dogs.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes thast would be a lot to pay for a MIXED breed, but partis are not MIXED with anything, they come from 2 AKC registered yorkshire terriers. The parti ciolored yorkies are registered with the AKC.

How exactly are they registered? I know they are eligible if parents were eligible, but they are not listed, as Parti colored are they? Dogs with all sorts of faults can be listed if parents were listed.

[KathyRad62]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes thast would be a lot to pay for a MIXED breed, but partis are not MIXED with anything, they come from 2 AKC registered yorkshire terriers. The parti ciolored yorkies are registered with the AKC.

I didn't know they were a registered breed and I apologize for offending you as I see you are a parti breeder? Leave it to me to stick my foot in my mouth after being a member for two days. Again I'm sorry.

Isn't $4,000 a little excessive for a parti yorkie bred in Oklahoma? I understand dogs cost more on the east and west coast but Oklahoma???

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What makes you an authority on this? Just curious because I have seen many with the saddle, in fact I own one. I believe with selective breeding this can be accomplished if this is what is eventually deemed to be the preferred standard.

But since a standard has yet to be set, why do they even need to have the saddle

The Yorkie standard has been set. So you are saying that you have a parti with a complete dark blue silk saddle in the required saddle pattern? So only the legs and heads have parti markings, I am assuming, of tan and white?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

This comes ALARMINGLY close to nasme calling, which is not allowed. Please keep your remarks informative so as not to get this thread closed.


The OP wanted to know what you think of the dogs, not what you think of people who breed and buy the dogs.

How exactly would that be name calling, ignorant means someone who is uninformed about a certain subject, it's not the same as calling someone stupid. Greeder is another word for breeder who is only breeding for the money, and in my opinion someone who more than doubles the price for a dog that does not meet standard certainly qualifies for the name.

The original poster hasn't said anything since the first comment, I was replying to the person I quoted.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by kat1york

The Biewer Terrier was originally known as the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon. On January 20th, 1984, the first blue, white and gold Yorkie, named Scheefloeckchen von Friedheck, was born to 1981 Dortmund Junior Champion, Darling von Friedheck and 1981 Dortmund World Champion, Fru-Fru von Friedheck.
Mr. Werner Biewer first introduced his tri-colored dogs to the show ring in March 1988, at Wiesbaden, Germany. At this time he presented 2 dogs and called them black and white Yorkies.
The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding.” Mr. Biewer was unhappy with this decision and began his search for a registry that would accept his beloved black and white Yorkies as a separate breed. The ACH (Allgemeiner Club der Hundefreunde Deutschland e.V.) was the first club to accept them as a distinct and separate breed. The dogs were then registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon.
While dining one evening the husband of singer Margot Eskens presented her with a Biewer Yorkie puppy on a platter as a gift. This incident is the very reason that the name “a la' Pom Pon” was added. It translates from French to “a tassel or colorful ball of yarn,” which perfectly described the puppy’s hair.
Mr. and Mrs. Biewer’s Yorkshire Terriers, that produced the black and white Yorkies, came from the Streamglen Kennels. There is some speculation, although not substantiated, that an accidental crossbreeding may have occurred in this kennel that did not show up until some generations later through Mr. Biewer’s dogs. They had 4 Yorkies from the Streamglen kennels, 2 of which produced the black and white colored dogs.
In 1989 when Mr. Biewer signed the standard for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom-Pon, it was that of a Yorkshire Terrier with the coloring being white-blue-gold. The standard was short and brief at that time. Mr. Biewer died in 1997 and his wife Gertrud Biewer has since discontinued her breeding program. She dispersed her dogs to family and friends.
I hope this research helps everyone understand the Biewer Breed...
I love them to death and plan on getting one in the future....Now, to find a good breeder???...lol
Kat

If they were blue, white and gold, then why did he call them black and white? His original breeding to create this "breed" has never been substantiated either, same as the parti colored Yorkies.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by KathyRad62

I didn't know they were a registered breed and I apologize for offending you as I see you are a parti breeder? Leave it to me to stick my foot in my mouth after being a member for two days. Again I'm sorry.

Isn't $4,000 a little excessive for a parti yorkie bred in Oklahoma? I understand dogs cost more on the east and west coast but Oklahoma???

I personally think it is more than a little excessive, but a parti breeder might not think so. They can get these horribly inflated prices by advertising them as rare, and the only reason that they are rare, is that a show breeder doesn't want the recessive piebald gene in his line.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How exactly would that be name calling, ignorant means someone who is uninformed about a certain subject, it's not the same as calling someone stupid. Greeder is another word for breeder who is only breeding for the money, and in my opinion someone who more than doubles the price for a dog that does not meet standard certainly qualifies for the name.

The original poster hasn't said anything since the first comment, I was replying to the person I quoted.

rJust asking you to remain respectful so this does not get shut down. What you posted had nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread, it was totally uncalled for and could be seenf by Admin as an attack on those of us who own and breed them. I am by no means uninformed or ignorant of this topic.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

If they were blue, white and gold, then why did he call them black and white? His original breeding to create this "breed" has never been substantiated either, same as the parti colored Yorkies.

Nither have the breedings that produced the original yorkies. It's all speculation arrived at by bits and pieces of incomplete unsubstantiated records and word of mouth. Most of the original breeders could not even read or write. And they weren't ignorant either, they knew exactly what they were trying to achieve and the records were kept in their heads.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

rJust asking you to remain respectful so this does not get shut down. What you posted had nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread, it was totally uncalled for and could be seenf by Admin as an attack on those of us who own and breed them. I am by no means uninformed or ignorant of this topic.

I think I was respectful, I'm sorry you took what I said personally. I believe it does have something to do with the discussion going on in this thread. I feel exactly the same way about people who buy and sell "teacups" for inflated prices, at least small yorkies are within standard.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How exactly are they registered? I know they are eligible if parents were eligible, but they are not listed, as Parti colored are they? Dogs with all sorts of faults can be listed if parents were listed.

Yes they are. Coloe number 014. Are you serious? You really ha no idea they are registered with the AKCf. I thought I pointed that out in an earlier post. Nikko's Mickey Spillane son of Ch rolls Royce Ashley is the first registered parti colored yorkie.

[JaLaYorkieGirl]

IMO...There is nothing more beautiful or more breathtaking than a well bred and correctly colored dark steel blue and golden tan yorkie!!!

Those that believe that black and tan yorkies used for breeding is a double standard...I have a question for you. When two black and tan yorkies are bred together they can produce a correctly colored yorkie. When two partis are bred together can they produce a correctly colored yorkie?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes this is exactly what I am saying, and that is the best case scenerio, the worst case is that they were drowned (a common practice in the past).

One has to be very nieve to think that show breeders do not cover up their mistakes in order to keep from being shunned by the YTCA. Have you never heard of dying the hair, or putting some hair from the ears into the bands to make their ears stand more to the top of the head, etc. Lord lady this goes on all the time with any show animal.

So recently some of these breeders have decided to thumb thier nose at the YTCA and not hide these beautiful dogs, and that is why they have suddenly started to be known.

Yep, I have seen "cover-ups" in the show rings of dogs, cats, goats and horses. But, those breeders are, in the end, just fooling themselves and their breeding program. Like I said, there ar always bad apples in every bunch. Eventually hey are found out and dissappear from sight or just start breeding or money. Unfortunately, the drowning of puppies still does accure, but not in the quantities of the past. Personally, I think that people are heartless to do this, they are the scum of the Earth.( I am not talking about life threatening birth defects where the puppy may have to be put down) But everybodies breeding practices are different.
I am glad people are thumbing there noses at YTCA that way they wont be always complaining that YTCA is so unfair not to accept "off colored" Yorkies. Please, by all means, go create your own breed!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by KathyRad62

I didn't know they were a registered breed and I apologize for offending you as I see you are a parti breeder? Leave it to me to stick my foot in my mouth after being a member for two days. Again I'm sorry.

Not a problem, evidently you are not the only one who did not know this.

Originally Posted by KathyRad62

Isn't $4,000 a little excessive for a parti yorkie bred in Oklahoma? I understand dogs cost more on the east and west coast but Oklahoma???

I plead the 5th. LOL

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Nither have the breedings that produced the original yorkies. It's all speculation arrived at by bits and pieces of incomplete unsubstantiated records and word of mouth. Most of the original breeders could not even read or write. And they weren't ignorant either, they knew exactly what they were trying to achieve and the records were kept in their heads.

I believe the original breeders were trying to produce a blue and tan terrier. When they finally found someone who could read and write, the records were written and no where does it mention that parties were what they were breeding for.